Subduction Zone
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I am far from perfect, but willing to admit it. Perhaps that explains the likes.
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Some say I'm a backslider
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stvdv
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Black Magic of the Church = Human is a sinner [Church biggest sin]
Spell becomes Thought in the innocent child, he starts believing it.
Thought becomes Words when he starts repeating the same line
Words become Deeds, and The Church created their sinner
I refuse to believe in the church, this is just one reason
You are not a sinner. Do never let others tell you otherwise.
If they want to call you something let it be "son of God" or "creation of God".
[Would not be respectful to tell an athist, but better than sinner]
Very good you are honest "I am far from perfect". Me too.
But what the church does is the worst of all sins telling others "you are a sinner"
This is an "Ad hominem" attack (just learned the word the other day on RF)
To say "you committed a sin" is one thing
But say "you are a sinner" 1000 times worse
This reply might be my most important sofar
I think it is about time we, (non-)christians, stop this very bad BS from the church
This sick indoctrination of the worst type.
This is why I have been referring to Black Magic, because of these sick claims the Churches make.
So when I said "you could have replied you are not a sinner"
This is what I meant.
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Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Not to worry. When one does that all you have to do is to remember that they are not following their own supposed superior moral laws.
stvdv
Veteran Member
It's not that I worry. You are right they are in the moral wrong. But if I see such a huge moral wrong I like to address it.
Truth will win anyway. Church ruled 2000 years; 99,9% of the Dutch were Christians believing this BS to the tee. Many still do.
But they are losing it. Christianity being once 99% [1850] became 37% [2018] in Holland. Good to see that untruth is declining.
[Of course there are good things in Christianity, but also quite a few things that we better redefine IMO; science helped a lot here].
outlawState
Deism is dead
It is most unlikely that "you" really hear the word of God through the words of the bible as you belittle it a lot. Don't forget that the word of God is a closed book to many people, where God prevents them from understanding it so as to give them over to wrath...."so that, "'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'" Mark 4:12.
You need to stop believing in fables and decide whether you are ready to listen to God. BTW You're not alone - I think it applies to everyone, to a degree.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Wow! Another Christian that believes in a psychotic God. And he complains when someone else supposedly puts God down.
outlawState
Deism is dead
Libel will get you nowhere.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
what libel? Do you even know what the word means?
outlawState
Deism is dead
Do I know what the word means? I have multiple degrees one of them being in law. I should do.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Since there was no libel in my post your education appears to be a bit lacking.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Half serious suggestion. Have a bumper sticker made saying, "Backslidin' with Jesus". You could have a little surfboard coasting down an incline for effect.
(Just trying to be helpful.)
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
The word usage is predicated on a judgmental god coming back at you for saying something deemed too naughty to be ignored. What I find amusing is that some human animals version of god is so petty and vindictive that they actually believe that you will be heavily judged for your smallest actions.
outlawState
Deism is dead
belief in a psychotic God...complains (as satan always does)...
In other words, you're accusing me of worshipping satan. Any jury could see that. Your turn to provide the evidence, or may be the reason that you have none is because you yourself cannot see beyond the horizon of satan, whom is your god, that you find it necessary to accuse others of doing what you do; as indeed the Jews exactly did in the time of Christ; and who accused Jesus of worshipping their own god.
sealchan
Well-Known Member
From my point of view and, I suspect, from the point of view of the authors of the Bible, you are making progress!
sealchan
Well-Known Member
The Jewish Bible and the Christian Testament both are attempts by humans/authors to capture their understanding of God. It is IMO childish to take the shortcut view that the Bible was literally dictated by God. Such an attitude is like looking for Santa's workshop on the north pole.
But what a deep and beautiful work of literature and moral philosophy it all is! No one today seems to be producing the same sort of spiritual literature and yet there are somw comparables.
There are some literal truths in the Bible that are buried deep in the authors experiences. I know this because I see these truths in the experiences of people today. The authors understanding of what it is like to experience God is one. Another is the importance of dreams. Also there is the creative use of myths to tell stories. Parable and prophecy also help the listener/reader to enter into the temple of God within their own mind.
Those who take the Bible literally make the gravest of sins IMO. They claim to know God's inscrutable mind, to be a substitute for God to another person. The only truly valid experience of God's truth, like any other experience of truth must involve the individuals own personal experience and understanding. Otherwise you are merely a member of a club or one who idolized a book.
Any believer in any religion must learn to look past the objects, even the teachings of their faith until they find through that their own inner, authentic experience of life. Then such a one becomes the rock of their faith that can be a guide to others.
Two people went down a road together when they both encountered Jesus. One person then made it their life's work to go about preaching Jesus' truth and literal reality and often argued with others. The other remaining silent prayed to God that others might also have this experience and that in whatever way God might do so the he/she might enable others to that experience. This one only argued with those whose faith that life was empty of such promise was failing.
Which of these two was closer to the word of God?
But what a deep and beautiful work of literature and moral philosophy it all is! No one today seems to be producing the same sort of spiritual literature and yet there are somw comparables.
There are some literal truths in the Bible that are buried deep in the authors experiences. I know this because I see these truths in the experiences of people today. The authors understanding of what it is like to experience God is one. Another is the importance of dreams. Also there is the creative use of myths to tell stories. Parable and prophecy also help the listener/reader to enter into the temple of God within their own mind.
Those who take the Bible literally make the gravest of sins IMO. They claim to know God's inscrutable mind, to be a substitute for God to another person. The only truly valid experience of God's truth, like any other experience of truth must involve the individuals own personal experience and understanding. Otherwise you are merely a member of a club or one who idolized a book.
Any believer in any religion must learn to look past the objects, even the teachings of their faith until they find through that their own inner, authentic experience of life. Then such a one becomes the rock of their faith that can be a guide to others.
Two people went down a road together when they both encountered Jesus. One person then made it their life's work to go about preaching Jesus' truth and literal reality and often argued with others. The other remaining silent prayed to God that others might also have this experience and that in whatever way God might do so the he/she might enable others to that experience. This one only argued with those whose faith that life was empty of such promise was failing.
Which of these two was closer to the word of God?
stvdv
Veteran Member
Nice comparison of Santa. I see Santa as someone who lives the live that Jesus showed us [not only preaching, but living it]. Santa is always happy. Santa makes others happy [by giving]. All become happy. God should be happy [if the happiness is the goal God want us to reach].
I won't go that far to call it a sin when taking the Bible literal. Of course if you start killing as in the old testament it's better to call that a sin, if it stops the killing. Of course they miss out on the good and deeper lessons in the Bible.
Who was closer to the word of God?
I think the one remaining silent and praying made a good decision. When you are taught some lessons it's good to be in silence for a while to let the lesson sink in, and make it your own. Many nowadays google something and start blabbing it around. That is not smart. That's why the Bible says that only after 3 years being around Him they should start preaching. That felt very good when I read that. Better than the 18 year old running around thinking they know everything.
Most important is that thought, words and deeds should be one and should be wholesome. Say one thing and do another is not good. So the silent one made a good start I would say. And being silent, God who is known to speak in the silence, will reveal to him when it's time for action. Can't go wrong there.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
No wrong. You are now trying to conflate your evil version of God with Satan.
Perhaps you do not realize why your version of God is evil. That is a common example of cognitive dissonance by the religious. Your version of God plays hide and seek so that he can torture selected victims, by your own words.
sealchan
Well-Known Member
In many ways God is Satan...who is greater than the one who takes responsibility for and thereby contains one's own Adversary?
outlawState
Deism is dead
I said "you yourself cannot see beyond the horizon of satan, whom is your god, that you find it necessary to accuse others of doing what you do; as indeed the Jews exactly did in the time of Christ; and who accused Jesus of worshipping their own god."
In calling me a worshipper of a "selective torturer" are you not attempting to torture me yourself? What you are doing is what you accuse me of worshipping. So you accuse me of worshipping your God.
But as to gehenna, it is no different from a man knocking his heard against a brick wall till he kills himself. It's your choice. God only provides the wall. The torture is self-inflicted by those who won't concede the limitation of their humanity.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Now if anyone has libeled that would be you. I do not have your weakness. I have no gods. And no, when I point out that you worship a selective torturer I am trying to educate you about the errors in your ways.
And we go back to the mobster God scenario, he is trying to save us against him. You really need to look at your beliefs.
Hey Tony ... Nice looking soul you got there. You wouldn't want any accidents happening to it.