Someone in the US Dies every 12 minutes from Lack of Health Care

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Frubs to Smoke, for one. That was brilliant.
Hilarious to respond to wikipedia being unreliable by using a wikipedia article.....lol. But I never knew that, lol

 

[rojse]

Frubs to Smoke, for one. That was brilliant.
Hilarious to respond to wikipedia being unreliable by using a wikipedia article.....lol. But I never knew that, lol

But, but. . . that was me.

Reliability of Wikipedia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

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But, but. . . that was me.

ok. that was as brliliant as talking about teh health care which is what Smoke did, so frubs.

 

[Kathryn]

According to the CIA Factbook, there are 6744 deaths per day in the United States.

There are 1440 minutes per day. So that's 4.68 people per minute who die in the United States.

This equals a little over 56 people who die every twelve minutes in the US.

So - one out of these 56 people dies due to "inadequate health care?"

That's less than 2 percent!

Not shabby...

By the way, the death rate world wide currently stands at 100 percent. If anyone can figure out a way around that figure, let me know.

 

[rojse]

By the way, the death rate world wide currently stands at 100 percent. If anyone can figure out a way around that figure, let me know.

Before I die, I plan to have my brain removed, and stored inside a twenty-foot tall robot. That seems like a sensible plan to get around dying.

I'm not too fussy about the twenty-foot robot, though. An eighteen foot robot would do quite well. I'd even settle for a fifteen-foot robot.

 

[Magic Man]

have you ever been in an ER room? There is a big sign on the door stating that everyone who walks through that door will be treated, insurance or no insurance. The system already treats everyone who needs it.

People get treated. the prob is not getting treatment, it is about who pays for it.

If they decided not to go to the hospital, it is not the fault of the hospital for not treating them - it their own fault for refusing to get treatment.

Sure, if you go to the hospital you have to be treated. However, it's generally better to take care of your problem before it gets to the point where you have to go to the hospital. Of course, there are plenty of cases of unavoidable emergencies, but there are also plenty of cases of ER visits that could have been avoided if the person had had preventative care.

Yes, the system already treats everyone, it's just a matter of how well those people are treated.

Analogy time! Let's say you basement has a problem with flooding. Now, one night it rains cats and dogs for hours.

Instance 1: You're home and know that the rain is coming and that your basement is probably going to flood. So, you get a head start and move anything valuable that could get damaged, and you're ready with your wet-vac before the water even starts coming in. In this case, you are able to save everything you want and even save your floor from any damage because you can keep up with the water coming in.

Instance 2: You're not home and don't get there until well after the rain has started. By the time you get in, there is already an inch of water on the floor. Several valuable things are already damaged and by the time you get all of the water out many hours later, your floor has some water damage, too.

Now, which of those instances is preferable?

 

[Magic Man]

According to the CIA Factbook, there are 6744 deaths per day in the United States.

There are 1440 minutes per day. So that's 4.68 people per minute who die in the United States.

This equals a little over 56 people who die every twelve minutes in the US.

So - one out of these 56 people dies due to "inadequate health care?"

That's less than 2 percent!

Not shabby...

By the way, the death rate world wide currently stands at 100 percent. If anyone can figure out a way around that figure, let me know.

Not shabby!? 2 percent of 300 million people dying simply because they didn't have healthcare isn't shabby? Really!?

One person dying because they didn't have healthcare is horribly shabby to me.

 

[Kathryn]

According to the US Department of Human Services, illegal immigrants make up 2 percent of the US population.

According to the US Bureau of Justice, 8% of the US population ADMITS to using illegal drugs within the past 30 days. 14% report using illegal drugs within the past 12 months.

According to the Rand Corporation, 3 % of Americans are MORBIDLY obese.

According to the Centers for Disease Control, over 20% of US adults are regular cigarette smokers.

Same source:
Number of alcohol-induced deaths, excluding accidents and homicides per year: 22,073

My point is this - DON'T DISCOUNT THE FACTOR OF PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

Our healthcare is not the PUBLIC'S responsibility - it is the INDIVIDUAL'S responsibility. It is our responsibility to take care of our OWN health - no one else's.

It is our responsibility to make sure that the actions of others (for instance, companies and government entities) do not CREATE health risks to others, but it is not our right to demand that they TAKE CARE OF our OWN health.

 

[rojse]

According to the US Department of Human Services, illegal immigrants make up 2 percent of the US population.

According to the US Bureau of Justice, 8% of the US population ADMITS to using illegal drugs within the past 30 days. 14% report using illegal drugs within the past 12 months.

According to the Rand Corporation, 3 % of Americans are MORBIDLY obese.

According to the Centers for Disease Control, over 20% of US adults are regular cigarette smokers.

Same source:
Number of alcohol-induced deaths, excluding accidents and homicides per year: 22,073

My point is this - DON'T DISCOUNT THE FACTOR OF PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

Our healthcare is not the PUBLIC'S responsibility - it is the INDIVIDUAL'S responsibility. It is our responsibility to take care of our OWN health - no one else's.

It is our responsibility to make sure that the actions of others (for instance, companies and government entities) do not CREATE health risks to others, but it is not our right to demand that they TAKE CARE OF our OWN health.

Regardless of all of this, how many Americans die due to lack of health care each year due to circumstances outside of "the factors of personal responsibility"? Is any number over zero acceptable? Why?

 

[Magic Man]

According to the US Department of Human Services, illegal immigrants make up 2 percent of the US population.

According to the US Bureau of Justice, 8% of the US population ADMITS to using illegal drugs within the past 30 days. 14% report using illegal drugs within the past 12 months.

According to the Rand Corporation, 3 % of Americans are MORBIDLY obese.

According to the Centers for Disease Control, over 20% of US adults are regular cigarette smokers.

Same source:
Number of alcohol-induced deaths, excluding accidents and homicides per year: 22,073

My point is this - DON'T DISCOUNT THE FACTOR OF PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

Our healthcare is not the PUBLIC'S responsibility - it is the INDIVIDUAL'S responsibility. It is our responsibility to take care of our OWN health - no one else's.

It is our responsibility to make sure that the actions of others (for instance, companies and government entities) do not CREATE health risks to others, but it is not our right to demand that they TAKE CARE OF our OWN health.

So, anyway, back to people dying because they don't have healthcare. This is happening, and it shouldn't be. Does anyone dispute that?

 

[idea]

So, anyway, back to people dying because they don't have healthcare. This is happening, and it shouldn't be. Does anyone dispute that?

People don't die because they do not have health care.

Reasons people die:

♦ Colon Cancer: “I don’t want to spend a day cleaning out my intestines so a six-foot tube can be inserted from the bottom up. Besides, it’s gross.”
♦ Malignant Melanoma: “It’s just a beauty mark...”
♦ Heart Attack: “I’m cutting back on eggs, thanks anyway.”
♦ Esophageal Cancer: “Everybody gets heartburn, right?”
♦ Cervical Cancer: “PAP Smear every year, I'd almost rather die..."
♦ Aortic Aneurysm: “Never heard of it.”
♦ Lung Cancer: “I’ve already quit five times. It isn’t going to happen.”
♦ Breast Cancer: “That mammogram thing hurts.”
♦ Prostate Cancer: “I pee fine. Why bother with a test even my doctor hates to perform?”
♦ Heart-Lung Failure: “Ok, my own snoring woke me up sometimes, but who knew…”
♦ Complications resulting from a broken hip: “Don’t need that bone density test. Every time I see that doctor he’s got something else he wants me to do.”

Stupid Reasons People Die

some more from the above site:

Dr. Corso explains the typical and most common stupid reasons people die:

#1 Human Nature: we’re reactive, not proactive.
#2 Waiting until insurance pays for it. A good screening test is a good screening test no matter who writes the check.
#3 Falling through the Gap between The State of the Art and The Standard of Care in health screening and treatments.
#4 Misunderstanding medical information – E.g.: Most heart attacks strike people with normal cholesterol!
#5 Inadequate treatment of problems: failure to identify all risks or failure to treat known risks aggressively.
#6 Fear of science and technology and so choosing ineffective alternatives to effective treatments.
#7 Belief that “all natural” means “all healthy.”
#8 Assuming our health-care system can or should cover our preventive-care issues.
#9 Believing and reacting to sensational news stories in the media. Often the information is incomplete, leaving the viewer with half the story.

 

[Magic Man]

People don't die because they do not have health care.

Interesting opinion. Now, back to reality.

What I meant was "Does anyone dispute that people shouldn't die because they don't have healthcare". People die because they don't have healthcare. That's a fact. You can choose to ignore it, if you'd like, but for the sake of this discussion, let's stick with reality.

 

[Storm]

People don't die because they do not have health care.

Reasons people die:

Stupid Reasons People Die

some more from the above site:

You know your argument is weak when your FIRST resort is blaming the victims.

 

[Kathryn]

But WHY don't people have healthcare?

Some people don't have it because they are here illegally. Some people don't have it because they can afford health insurance but choose not to carry it.

Some people COULD buy it but they'd rather spend that money on vacations or a bigger house.

So - how many legal US citizens genuinely are not able to have health coverage because they cannot afford it?

Answer - not as many as you think.

Next question - How much money are you PERSONALLY willing to shell out of your OWN pocket to offer quality healthcare to people you don't know - people who may lead lifestyles that are incredibly detrimental to their health, or lifestyles you would not knowingly support?

See, it's not all about what you can GET - it's also about what you're willing to GIVE. What are YOU willing to spend on OTHER PEOPLE'S health?

5% of your pay? 20%? What? What's your cutoff point? And WHY do you have a cutoff point? If even ONE PERSON'S death is so incredibly important to you, why aren't you out doing something about it RIGHT THIS MINUTE? Why aren't you out volunteering at a local non profit health clinic? What are you doing for your neighbors to improve their health today?

Someone will have to pay for all of this. That someone isn't someone ELSE. It's you. And it's going to hit your pocket in ways you never dreamed of.

 

[Storm]

But WHY don't people have healthcare?

Some people don't have it because they are here illegally. Some people don't have it because they can afford health insurance but choose not to carry it.

Some people COULD buy it but they'd rather spend that money on vacations or a bigger house.

So - how many legal US citizens genuinely are not able to have health coverage because they cannot afford it?

Answer - not as many as you think.

Next question - How much money are you PERSONALLY willing to shell out of your OWN pocket to offer quality healthcare to people you don't know - people who may lead lifestyles that are incredibly detrimental to their health, or lifestyles you would not knowingly support?

See, it's not all about what you can GET - it's also about what you're willing to GIVE. What are YOU willing to spend on OTHER PEOPLE'S health?

5% of your pay? 20%? What? What's your cutoff point? And WHY do you have a cutoff point? If even ONE PERSON'S death is so incredibly important to you, why aren't you out doing something about it RIGHT THIS MINUTE? Why aren't you out volunteering at a local non profit health clinic? What are you doing for your neighbors to improve their health today?

Someone will have to pay for all of this. That someone isn't someone ELSE. It's you. And it's going to hit your pocket in ways you never dreamed of.

I'm on disability, so I don't pay income tax. I feel bad about that, a little, and I've been saying for years that Oregon needs to institute a sales tax, in part because I WANT to pay my share. I would support a national sales tax if it gave us universal health care. I don't know how much it would need to be, but I imagine rather low, around 3%.

 

[rojse]

But WHY don't people have healthcare?

Some people don't have it because they are here illegally. Some people don't have it because they can afford health insurance but choose not to carry it.

Some people COULD buy it but they'd rather spend that money on vacations or a bigger house.

So - how many legal US citizens genuinely are not able to have health coverage because they cannot afford it?

Answer - not as many as you think.

Next question - How much money are you PERSONALLY willing to shell out of your OWN pocket to offer quality healthcare to people you don't know - people who may lead lifestyles that are incredibly detrimental to their health, or lifestyles you would not knowingly support?

See, it's not all about what you can GET - it's also about what you're willing to GIVE. What are YOU willing to spend on OTHER PEOPLE'S health?

5% of your pay? 20%? What? What's your cutoff point? And WHY do you have a cutoff point? If even ONE PERSON'S death is so incredibly important to you, why aren't you out doing something about it RIGHT THIS MINUTE? Why aren't you out volunteering at a local non profit health clinic? What are you doing for your neighbors to improve their health today?

Someone will have to pay for all of this. That someone isn't someone ELSE. It's you. And it's going to hit your pocket in ways you never dreamed of.

Question: How many people are excluded from healthcare cover because they have pre-existing conditions, and would be too expensive to insure?

 

[Kathryn]

I believe we need healthcare reform - especially when it comes to pre existing conditions coverage, and TORT REFORM.

 

[Aquitaine]

The thing is though, how is the US gonna reform it's healthcare, what paths are they going to have to go down?

Americans, what kind of system would you like, would you rather have healthcare be an affordable insurance choice, or taken out of your taxes by default and made universal accross the country, and "free"?

 

[Storm]

Americans, what kind of system would you like, would you rather have healthcare be an affordable insurance choice, or taken out of your taxes by default and made universal accross the country, and "free"?

The latter. No matter how low cost they make insurance, there will be some who cannot afford it.

 

[idea]

You know your argument is weak when your FIRST resort is blaming the victims.

I did not blame victims, I blamed masochists.
Those who decide to do drugs, overeat, refuse medical treatment - at some point people need to be accountable for themselves.