=Something Bad Jesus Did=

[Ben Masada]

hey guys :

regarding how Jesus can be from the tribe of Judah.

Biblically, Yosef is not the father of Jesus. Mary, however, is a descent of David, and as she carried and bore the Saviour, Jesus actually gets His human lieange from her.

the geneology listed in Luke give's Yosef's father as Heli- however, the geneology in Matthew lists his father as Jacob. a now commonly understood explaination is that "Heli" is actually Yosef''s father-in-law, Mary's father, and that Luke traces Jesus' lineage from his mother, backwards, calling Heli Yosef's instead of her father, taking into acount the primacy placed on men within geneologies of that time, and times prior.

thus through Mary, Jesus is a descent of David, and hence of Judah.

Sorry Ayani to have to rain on your exciting parade, but you are going to come down from your high horse. Jesus was Jewish, and we have to go with him according to Judaism and not according to the Greek tradition of Luke.

I don't believe that the genealogy in Luke is that of Mary, but even if it were, Tribal inheritance is transmitted only through the father. The mother thransmits only the Jewishness of the child. Therefore, if Jesus was not a biological son of Joseph's, he was not from the Tribe of Judah. That's as simple as that. I am sorry.

 

[Ben Masada]

Believe me I do sympathize with you, for even among Christians there is discord regarding Jesus status. But back in Genesis 3:15, God protected from sin the seed of the woman,

Amos says that the woman is Israel. Read Amos 5:2. The seed of the woman is the Jewish People from the stock of Judah. How's that? In Isaiah 7:14 we have that the virgin (or that woman of Genesis 3:15) shall be with child and bear a son. Then, Amos says that the virgin Israel has fallen. Her fall is reported by Psalm 78:67 when God rejects her forever. And the birth of the child is reported by Psalm 78:68 when God confirms Judah to remain forever. Now, back to Isaiah 7:14, if you read verse 15, it says in there that the child born of the virgin Israel will feed on butter and honey. Now, if you go to verse 22, you will see that butter and honey will be the food of all that remained in the Land. Now, I ask, who remained in the Land after Ephrahim the Ten Tribes, was removed from existence? Did I hear Judah? Yes, Judah, the Jewish People remained in the Land feeding on butter and honey. Now, if you go to Isaiah 8:8, the Prophet actually identifies Judah with Immanuel. How? Thus: Senakkerib, the King of Assyria invaded Judah and flooded all around but did not succeeded to shoot one single arrow at Jerusalem. This is symbolized by a historical change of events. According to Isaiah 9:8, the Divine judgment decreed upon Judah had fallen upon Israel. It means that Senakkerib had come for Judah and mysteriously took Israel instead. The point though is that when the Assyrians flooded Judah, the Prophet used the following words: "And it shall spread it wings the full width of your land Immanuel." Whose land was that Senakkerib had invaded? Judah's. So, Isaiah identified Judah with Immanuel. Another logical explanation for Immanuel is that God had to remove Israel from existence, but so that Mankind be not left without God, Judah was allowed to remain as Immanuel, which means God with us , the Gentiles.

in Matthew 1: 18 to 23, we read; "Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows. When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit. And Joseph her husband, being a righteous man, and not wanting to disgrace her, desired to put her away secretly. But when he had considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, 'Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for that which has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. And she will bear a son; and you shall call his name Jesus, for it is he who will save his people from their sins.' Now all this took place that what was spoken by the Lord through the prophet might be fulfilled, saying. 'Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel,' which translated means, 'God with us.'"

Sorry FreeSpirit, but you have not answered my question. I believe I asked you for an explanation of how you claim that Jesus was from the Tribe of Judah. Do you have it or you don't?

Ben God requires that faith plays a big part in our coming to God, I like to make it easier for you but I cannot.

Don't put too much in faith FreeSpirit, the faithful of Jim Jones did it and almost a thousand were killed for it. Let us use Reason for a change.

 

[Poisonshady313]

hey guys :

regarding how Jesus can be from the tribe of Judah.

Biblically, Yosef is not the father of Jesus. Mary, however, is a descent of David, and as she carried and bore the Saviour, Jesus actually gets His human lieange from her.

the geneology listed in Luke give's Yosef's father as Heli- however, the geneology in Matthew lists his father as Jacob. a now commonly understood explaination is that "Heli" is actually Yosef''s father-in-law, Mary's father, and that Luke traces Jesus' lineage from his mother, backwards, calling Heli Yosef's instead of her father, taking into acount the primacy placed on men within geneologies of that time, and times prior.

thus through Mary, Jesus is a descent of David, and hence of Judah.

Tribal affiliation is strictly passed on through the biological father.

Mary's lineage is irrelevant.

 

[dogsgod]

There are parts of the gospels, such as this part, where I can say with certainty that it's not what Jesus actually did or said.

This was probably the construct of the author. It contradicts the rest of the entire New Testament, and the rest of the gospel and other three.

How convenient.

 

[ayani]

it's relevant in the case of the virgin birth.

Yosef does also trace his lineage back to David and hence Judah. Yosef was not the father, but through belonging to his house and having him as a father figure, Jesus' identity would have been as a descendent of David, even through Yosef.

the Gospel fact of His being born of the Holy Spirit wouldn't have been known to His neighbors and countrymen. for them, He was just Yeshua, son of Yosef.

Biblically, His human form came from His birth from Mary's womb, and so from her ancestry Jesus is descended from Judah, even while through his earthly step-father he had the socio-religious standing of being from Judah.

also, remember the Messianic prophecy given to the serpent :

And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel. (Genesis 3:15)

notice how God says "her Seed" as opposed to "her husband's seed", even though this term is one we usually see applied to males and their descendants. (e.g. Genesis 12:7)

Tribal affiliation is strictly passed on through the biological father.

Mary's lineage is irrelevant.

 

[Poisonshady313]

it's relevant in the case of the virgin birth.

No, it's not.

Yosef does also trace his lineage back to David and hence Judah.

Through Jechoniah, which disqualifies any of his children from being eligible to be the Messiah.

Yosef was not the father, but through belonging to his house and having him as a father figure, Jesus' identity would have been as a descendent of David, even through Yosef.

Not at all. A male's tribal affiliation is as unchageable as his DNA. (A woman takes on the tribe of her husband) If a Levite grows up in the house of his adoptive father from Benjamin.... the Levite is and always will be a Levite.

the Gospel fact of His being born of the Holy Spirit wouldn't have been known to His neighbors and countrymen. for them, He was just Yeshua, son of Yosef.

This is all completely irrelevant. What tribe you belong to doesn't depend on public opinion. If Jesus had no biological father, he had no tribe. He'd be Jewish... but he wouldn't be a descendant of the tribes. He'd be "son of Abraham", as are all Jewish people who don't know their father's Hebrew name.

Biblically, His human form came from His birth from Mary's womb, and so from her ancestry Jesus is descended from Judah, even while through his earthly step-father he had the socio-religious standing of being from Judah.

Jewish mothers give birth to Jewish babies, but they do NOT determine one's tribal affiliation.

also, remember the Messianic prophecy given to the serpent :

It's not a messianic prophecy. People don't like snakes.

notice how God says "her Seed" as opposed to "her husband's seed", even though this term is one we usually see applied to males and their descendants. (e.g. Genesis 12:7)

You're playing semantics games in a language you know nothing about. The word "seed" is used as a synonym for "progeny". Offspring. Children.

Not referring to any one specific child.

 

[free spirit]

TO BEN MASADA

Sorry FreeSpirit, but you have not answered my question. I believe I asked you for an explanation of how you claim that Jesus was from the Tribe of Judah. Do you have it or you don't?

From AYANI's post
Yosef does also trace his lineage back to David and hence Judah. Yosef was not the father, but through belonging to his house and having him as a father figure, Jesus' identity would have been as a descendent of David, even through Yosef.

the Gospel fact of His being born of the Holy Spirit wouldn't have been known to His neighbors and countrymen. for them, He was just Yeshua, son of Yosef.
In Matthew 22: 41 to 46, we read.
41 Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question,
42 saying, what do you think about the Christ, whose son is he? They said to him, the son of David.
43 He said to them. Then how does David in the spirit call him Lord, saying,
44 The Lord said to my Lord, sit at my right hand, until I put thine enemies beneath thy feet?
45 If David then calls him Lord how is he his son?
46 And no one was able to answer him a word, nor did anyone dare from that day on to ask him another question.
You see Ben it is a matter of believing or not believing; therefore it is important to cultivate the character of God in ourselves, for in the end our believes will not save us if we do not love our neighbors.

 

[IF_u_knew]

TO IF_U_KNEW

If you seek for the truth of God without a religious connection, but according to God righteous judgent, read to the end the following article that i wrote some time ago.


WHAT IS TRUTH?

All believers, regardless of denominational creed search for the assurance of understanding what is truth, because it seems that truth in this world is continually changing, as in what was true yesterday is no longer true today. However you can be assured that God’s universal truth is still the same as it has always been, unaltered and unalterable. As darkness cannot put out the light, even so lies and speculations cannot alter the truth. But unfortunately the lies and speculations have the capacity to lure us to focus on other unimportant things, those things may be not necessarily bad, nevertheless they are sufficient to cause us to miss the true purpose of our call, which is to walk towards God’s universal unchangeable truth.

You may well ask, what is God’s universal unchangeable truth? Bear with me for a moment, and God willing I will try to point it out to you. In the gospel of John 18 – 33 to 38, we read of an exchange between Pilate the Roman governor and Jesus. It unfolds in the following manner: “Pilate therefore entered again into the praetorium, and summoned Jesus, and said to him: Are you the king of the Jews? Jesus answered, “Are you saying this on your own initiative, or did others tell you about me?” Pilate answered, “I am not a Jew, am I? Your own nation and the chief priest delivered you up to me; what have you done?” Jesus answered. My kingdom is not of this world, if my kingdom were of this world, then my servant would be fighting, that I might not be delivered up to the Jews; but as it is, my kingdom is not of this realm.”
Pilate therefore said to him, “So you are a king?” Jesus answered: “You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears my voice.”
Pilate said to him, “What is truth?” And when he had said this, he went out again to the Jews, and said to them, “I find no guilt in him.”

If we superficially read the above exchange between Pilate and Jesus we will also be left asking, “What is truth?” But if we look more closely some interesting facts will emerge. Such as “He has come into the world to bear witness to the truth.” And then Jesus makes an extraordinary statement about the human race. “Everyone who is of the truth hears my voice.” What does it mean? And how did Jesus, by coming into the world beared witness to the truth? Or, how can anyone be of the truth? The answer of course, through God’s wisdom, is staring at us in the face, we can all see it, but it can’t be perceived, unless it is spiritually revealed to us.

Because by the wisdom of God, the answer to “what is truth?” came out from Pilate’s own mouth, in the form of his judgement of Jesus. “I find no guilt in him.” In other words, “he is holy,” “he is without sin.” We can see, that by being holy even unto death he has fulfilled his primary mission, which speaks thus, “He has come into the world to bear witness to the truth.” That is to say, Jesus has shown us in words and deeds how to be holy, or how to be of the truth. (Which is not by mere chance the heart of the gospel.)

And so we came to the most simple and worldwide-understood principle, because on the day that we are also to face judgement, that is all the truth that matters, for God will judge the world only according to our holiness or lack of it. Think about it, is it possible to believe in God, and yet practice sin? Is believing some denominational doctrine or an historical fact enough to be saved? Does not even Satan believe?

But by the grace of God, we of the human race have been given a golden opportunity; “to be of the truth, which enables us to hear his still and holy voice” all we have to have is the sincere desire to be holy, (Remember Cornelius Acts 10 – 1 to 4,) and if we are a true believer that should not be too difficult for us. After that the Holy Spirit will lead each individual into repentance, for he knows the right way for each one of us, and as we obey the prompting of the Holy Spirit, our inner attitude toward our fellow men and ourselves will change for the better, until we are at peace with God, at peace with ourselves and with the world.

And on the day of judgement the righteous judge also will utter from his mouth, “I find no guilt in him.” On that day we will be changed from, “who is of the truth” into “who is part of the truth.”

What more is there to say? For I am fully convinced that if one doesn’t know anything, about anything, but practises the beliefs that are in Jesus and, or, lives his life by the principles of the gospel of holiness, he, I am sure is acceptable to God.


Because “Truth” in God’s eyes is not only that which is contrary to falsehood, but it is also a state of existence, therefore, the day will come when only “Truth” will exist in eternity. Then we can confidently say that“Truth” is a state of unchanging holiness, the essence of God to which we by the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ have become partakers.

In John 14 – 6, Jesus said, “I am the ‘Way’, the ‘Truth’, and the ‘Life’; no one comes to the father, but through me”. Yes!
He is the “Way” because we must follow the footsteps of his earthly life = repentance
He is the “Truth” because he is the embodiment of unchanging holiness = God
He is also the “Life” because he is the eternal Word = life

It is fitting for the wisdom of God to sum it all up with this one phrase.
“God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”
Glory to God

First, I wonder why it is you did not address my question about Job 40:14. Did God tell Job that it was Jesus (at all/in any way) who would save him?

Also, if Jesus was unchanging holiness, then why the denial of his own family in the NT?

One more thing .. Jesus had a beginning and an end ... are you familiar with the basic concept of eternal? It means no beginning and no end. Thus, your own NT discounts that Jesus could be eternal.

 

[IF_u_knew]

You say "steal what did not rightfully belong to them." I did not know that anyone owned God or his word. Plus you did not consider that many Jews pure in spirit became Christians, so they contributed their knowledge to the new borne again Israel, which was renamed Christianity.


I said steal because a book of wisdom belonging to a people for their people was taken by another people and with power of suggestion, tries to make it appear as though it is all mythology and that they are the rightful heirs to the promises given to the original people.

Israel was not renamed Christianity. That is EXACTLY what I mean by "stealing."

read my previous post and you should know "what is truth" in reality.

Not by *that* post.



Like everyone the fleshly Jews need to be saved from sin and death.

So, God was not sufficient in what He created from the beginning? He made mistakes? He didn't provide enough the first time? It wasn't good?


I am the house of Jacob; you are the house of Esau, for you despise the blessing of the Holy Spirit.

You should be embarrassed by this show of ignorance you display.



As you know 70% of the population of the state of Israel is secular, in other words, they are Jews in name only, so you do not have to worry of being contaminated by heathen, superstitious, stone age mentalities or Christians for you have your fair share in your midst already.

Do you share the same stupid belief that a Jew is not a completed Jew until they believe in the demigod you worship from the NT?


It is not sufficient to have or know the words of truth; they need to be matched by your holy character in order to make a difference in your life.

What is holy character in your definition? Perfection? Are you perfect?

By the way, even Jesus admitted he was to be perfected .. that means that he was not, at least at some point, perfect.

 

[McBell]

opcorn:

 

[Ben Masada]

TO BEN MASADA

Sorry FreeSpirit, but you have not answered my question. I believe I asked you for an explanation of how you claim that Jesus was from the Tribe of Judah. Do you have it or you don't?

From AYANI's post
Yosef does also trace his lineage back to David and hence Judah. Yosef was not the father, but through belonging to his house and having him as a father figure, Jesus' identity would have been as a descendent of David, even through Yosef.

Adoption of a child will never include adoption by the Tribe. I think Poisonsahdy has explained it rather too well with the Levite child adopted by someone from the Tribe of Benjamin. The shild will always remain a Levite. We are talking about Jews. You cannot apply Christian rules here.

the Gospel fact of His being born of the Holy Spirit wouldn't have been known to His neighbors and countrymen. for them, He was just Yeshua, son of Yosef.

We know today. So, the rules must be applied. If Jesus was not a biological son of Joseph's, he was not from the Tribe of Judah. He was Jewish because his mother was Jewish, but thanks to you guys, he could even be the son of Pantera.

In Matthew 22: 41 to 46, we read.
41 Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question,
42 saying, what do you think about the Christ, whose son is he? They said to him, the son of David.

Christ in Hebrew means Machiach. We all know that the Machiach comes from the lineage of David, therefore, Judah. In Isaiah's case, the Jewish People from the stock of Judah. (Isa. 40:1)

43 He said to them. Then how does David in the spirit call him Lord, saying,
44 The Lord said to my Lord, sit at my right hand, until I put thine enemies beneath thy feet?
45 If David then calls him Lord how is he his son?
46 And no one was able to answer him a word, nor did anyone dare from that day on to ask him another question.

The gospel writer fabricated that one; I mean, that no one was able to answer such an easy question. The point is that originally, that Psalm was written thus: "The Lord said to me, sit at my right hand, until I put thine enemies beneath thy feet." It would become awkward for the Levites to chant that Psalm in the Temple as it was written. So, a change was in order, as they added the second word for "Lord" so that the Psalm came out to be thus: "The Lord (God) said to my Lord (David), sit at my right hand..."
Then, the gospel writer or the Church just found that convenient to adulterate the text and apply it to Jesus.

You see Ben it is a matter of believing or not believing; therefore it is important to cultivate the character of God in ourselves, for in the end our believes will not save us if we do not love our neighbors.

Now, you said it right. It is all a matter of faith. You have got to believe. Faith requires no evidence to substantiate the facts.

 

[free spirit]

TO BEM MASADA

Now, you said it right. It is all a matter of faith. You have got to believe. Faith requires no evidence to substantiate the facts.

YES BEN, it is a matter of faith as 1st. Peter 2: 1 to 12, writes.
2 Therefore, putting aside all malice and all guile and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,
2 like newborn babes, long for the pure milk of the word, that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,
3 if you have tasted the kindness of the Lord.
4 And coming to him as to a living stone, rejected by FLESHLY PRIESTS, but choice and precious in the sight of God,
5 you also as living stones are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Christ.
6 For this is contained in scripture: Behold I lay in Zion a choice stone, a precious corner stone, and he who believes in him shall not be disappointed.
7 This precious value then is for you who believe. But for those who disbelieve. The stone which the builders rejected, this become the very corner stone,
8 and. A stone of stumbling and a rock of offence, for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed.
9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, and a people for God’s own possession, that you may proclaim the Excellencies of him who has called you out of darkness into his marvellous light,
10 for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received CHRIST.
11 Beloved, I urge you as aliens and strangers to abstain from fleshy lusts, which wage war against the soul.
12 Keep your behaviour excellent among the Gentiles, so that in the

things in which they slander you as evildoers, they may on account of your good deeds; as they observe them, glorify God in the day of visitation.
Ben take special note of the above for i believe that it is partially addressed to you.

 

[free spirit]

TO BEN MASADA

The gospel writer fabricated that one; I mean, that no one was able to answer such an easy question. The point is that originally, that Psalm was written thus: "The Lord said to me, sit at my right hand, until I put thine enemies beneath thy feet." It would become awkward for the Levites to chant that Psalm in the Temple as it was written. So, a change was in order, as they added the second word for "Lord" so that the Psalm came out to be thus: "The Lord (God) said to my Lord (David), sit at my right hand..."
Then, the gospel writer or the Church just found that convenient to adulterate the text and apply it to Jesus.

ACTS 2: 22 to 40

22 Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through him in your midst, Just as you yourselves know.
23 This man, delivered up by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put him to death.
24 And God raised him up again, putting an end to the agony of death, since it was impossible for him to be held in its power.
25 For David says of him. I was always beholding the Lord in my presence, for he is at my right hand, that I may not be shaken.
26 Therefore my heart was glad and my tongue exulted. Moreover my flesh also will abide in hope,
27 because thou wilt not abandon my soul to Hades, nor allow thy holy one to undergo decay.
28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou wilt make me full of gladness with thy presence.
29 Brethren, I may confidently say to you regarding the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.
30 And so, because he was a prophet, and knew that God had sworn to him with a oath to seat one of his descendants upon his throne,
31 he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ that he was neither abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh suffer decay.
32 This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses.
33 Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured forth this, which you both see and hear.
34 For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says: The Lord said to my Lord, sit at my right hand,
35 Until I make thine enemies a footstool for thy feet.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ this Jesus whom you crucified.
37 Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles. Brethren, what shall we do?
38 And Peter said to them. Repent, and let each of you be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 For the promise is for you and your Children, and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God shall call to himself.
40 And with many others words he solemnly testified and kept on exhorting them, saying. Be saved from this perverted generation!
Ben ether your version or my version is a lie, sorry but to me your version is a lie.

 

[Ben Masada]

TO BEM MASADA

YES BEN, it is a matter of faith as 1st. Peter 2: 1 to 12, writes.
2 Therefore, putting aside all malice and all guile and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,
2 like newborn babes, long for the pure milk of the word, that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,
3 if you have tasted the kindness of the Lord.
4 And coming to him as to a living stone, rejected by FLESHLY PRIESTS, but choice and precious in the sight of God,
5 you also as living stones are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Christ.
6 For this is contained in scripture: Behold I lay in Zion a choice stone, a precious corner stone, and he who believes in him shall not be disappointed.
7 This precious value then is for you who believe. But for those who disbelieve. The stone which the builders rejected, this become the very corner stone,
8 and. A stone of stumbling and a rock of offence, for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed.
9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, and a people for God’s own possession, that you may proclaim the Excellencies of him who has called you out of darkness into his marvellous light,
10 for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received CHRIST.
11 Beloved, I urge you as aliens and strangers to abstain from fleshy lusts, which wage war against the soul.
12 Keep your behaviour excellent among the Gentiles, so that in the

things in which they slander you as evildoers, they may on account of your good deeds; as they observe them, glorify God in the day of visitation.
Ben take special note of the above for i believe that it is partially addressed to you.

Disraeli, a former British Prime Ministry once said that where Faith begins, knowledge ends. And Hosea says that for lack of knowledge people perish. (Hosea 4:6) If the faithful of Jim Jones had used Reason to deal with their crazy leader, almost a thousand of the faithful would not have perished. It means, I need to know to believe. Faith is too dangerous. And knowledge is the best way to get approved before God.

 

[Ben Masada]

TO BEN MASADA



ACTS 2: 22 to 40

22 Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through him in your midst, Just as you yourselves know.
23 This man, delivered up by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put him to death.
24 And God raised him up again, putting an end to the agony of death, since it was impossible for him to be held in its power.
25 For David says of him. I was always beholding the Lord in my presence, for he is at my right hand, that I may not be shaken.
26 Therefore my heart was glad and my tongue exulted. Moreover my flesh also will abide in hope,
27 because thou wilt not abandon my soul to Hades, nor allow thy holy one to undergo decay.
28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou wilt make me full of gladness with thy presence.
29 Brethren, I may confidently say to you regarding the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.
30 And so, because he was a prophet, and knew that God had sworn to him with a oath to seat one of his descendants upon his throne,
31 he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ that he was neither abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh suffer decay.
32 This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses.
33 Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured forth this, which you both see and hear.
34 For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says: The Lord said to my Lord, sit at my right hand,
35 Until I make thine enemies a footstool for thy feet.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ this Jesus whom you crucified.
37 Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles. Brethren, what shall we do?
38 And Peter said to them. Repent, and let each of you be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 For the promise is for you and your Children, and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God shall call to himself.
40 And with many others words he solemnly testified and kept on exhorting them, saying. Be saved from this perverted generation!
Ben ether your version or my version is a lie, sorry but to me your version is a lie.

Tell me Free Spirit, are you trying to teach Judaism to the Jew? That's all we need now! We are talking about a Jewish man called Yeshua, and not a Greek man called Jesus. Can you see the difference between the two? Besides, Yeshua himself tells you in Mark 12:29 that God is One and the only Lord. Why do you have to contradict him by saying that he was Lord? Are you behaving like Paul who had no qualms to contradic Yeshua with regards to the Law that Yeshua declared not to have come to abolish and Paul said that's not true but that the Law was abolished in the cross? (Mat. 5:17; Ephe. 2:15) Be careful! To contradict is to stand against; and against is a synonym with "anti." If you believe that Yeshua was Christ, I'll let you fill in the blanks.

 

[free spirit]

Tell me Free Spirit, are you trying to teach Judaism to the Jew? That's all we need now! We are talking about a Jewish man called Yeshua, and not a Greek man called Jesus. Can you see the difference between the two? Besides, Yeshua himself tells you in Mark 12:29 that God is One and the only Lord. Why do you have to contradict him by saying that he was Lord?

Yes Ben two thousand years ago there was a split in the Jewish nation; those that believed in a man called Jesus and those who did not. The Greek name of Yeshua came because in these days the Greek was the "lingua franca" in the Roman empire.

Are you behaving like Paul who had no qualms to contradic Yeshua with regards to the Law that Yeshua declared not to have come to abolish and Paul said that's not true but that the Law was abolished in the cross? (Mat. 5:17; Ephe. 2:15) Be careful! To contradict is to stand against; and against is a synonym with "anti." If you believe that Yeshua was Christ, I'll let you fill in the blanks.

To make it simple for you Ben, Paul did not say the law was abolished; but he explained that if you have the gift of the Holy Spirit than you have the character of Christ in you, and if you live in that character you do not need the law to guide you. Because in that character you fulfill the law.
But there are not many believers that are prepared to give up their character to gain that of Christ, it takes real faith to do that.

 

[Kurt31416]

Galilee, including Nazareth, was originally part of Israel, not Judah. There is no mention of Bethlehem in any of the early stuff, and the entire birth stories in Matthew/Luke is probably fabricated.

It's far more likely Jesus was a Samaritan, than he was from the tribe of Judah. And if so, he could care less about David, who they consider a minor figure.They believe the split came before David, which archaeology seems to support them on.

 

[Kurt31416]

To make it simple for you Ben, Paul did not say the law was abolished; but he explained that if you have the gift of the Holy Spirit than you have the character of Christ in you, and if you live in that character you do not need the law to guide you. Because in that character you fulfill the law.
But there are not many believers that are prepared to give up their character to gain that of Christ, it takes real faith to do that.

Paul was a Roman agent, sent to destroy the Way of Jesus.

 

[Kurt31416]

People need to remember that Judiasm was far more diverse and inclusive before the Great Revolt. The Sadducees that ran things are about as different from today's Jews (decendents of the Pharisees) as the historical Jesus was.

 

[free spirit]

People need to remember that Judiasm was far more diverse and inclusive before the Great Revolt. The Sadducees that ran things are about as different from today's Jews (decendents of the Pharisees) as the historical Jesus was.

Jews need to remember that Moses was a murderer, and David was a murderer and an adulterer, so it does not make sense to trust them with your eternal life. Jesus on the other hand was the exact opposite, He was sinless and gave his life so that others could live in eternity.
If the Jews had wisdom they would choose to believe the words of a sinless man.
ACTS 7: 51 - 52, explain the condition of the fleshly Jews, for we read, "you men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.
which one of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? and they killed those who had previously announced the coming of the righteous one, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become."
You should know that you have a way out from that precarious situation; and that is to confess Jesus as Lord