absolute nothing vs no thing as in having some form
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Unveiled Artist
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paarsurrey
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Sorry. I could not understand one's viewpoint. Please elaborate it.
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Louis Pasteur:
"I have been looking for spontaneous generation during twenty years without discovering it. No, I do not judge it impossible.... You place matter before life, and you decide that matter has existed for all eternity. How do you know that the incessant progress of science will not compel scientists... to consider that life has existed during eternity and not matter?"
Hermann von Helmholtz "if failure attends all of our efforts to obtain a generation of organisms from lifeless matter, it seems to me a thoroughly correct scientific procedure to inquire whether there has ever been an origination of life, or whether it is not as old as matter..."
Nor is anything gained by running the difficulty farther back.... Our going back, ever so far, brings us no nearer to the least degree of satisfaction upon the subject. — William Paley
COSMIC ANCESTRY: The modern version of panspermia. by Brig Klyce
"I have been looking for spontaneous generation during twenty years without discovering it. No, I do not judge it impossible.... You place matter before life, and you decide that matter has existed for all eternity. How do you know that the incessant progress of science will not compel scientists... to consider that life has existed during eternity and not matter?"
Hermann von Helmholtz "if failure attends all of our efforts to obtain a generation of organisms from lifeless matter, it seems to me a thoroughly correct scientific procedure to inquire whether there has ever been an origination of life, or whether it is not as old as matter..."
Nor is anything gained by running the difficulty farther back.... Our going back, ever so far, brings us no nearer to the least degree of satisfaction upon the subject. — William Paley
COSMIC ANCESTRY: The modern version of panspermia. by Brig Klyce
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people who have been brain dead for days shouldn't have memories, nor should non-dead people be having dreams; if the brain is only a machine that captures information from outside itself.
What 'Brain-Dead' Means
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QuestioningMind
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Virtually anything is POSSIBLE, but there has yet to be an instance in which consciousness did not require a physical brain in order to exist.
basically yes.
https://phys.org/news/2011-03-quantum-no-hiding-theorem-experimentally.html
The neural correlates of dreaming
Consciousness arising
The team can’t yet explain what is activating the hot zone during dreams, but the answers may reveal whether dreaming has a biological purpose, such as processing memories into larger concepts of the world.
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Plants don't have a brain, and yet they react to their surroundings - grow towards light, change with the seasons etc.
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Will there ever be an end of all things? A time when everything ceases to exist, when it all blinks into nothingness?
I think asking if there will ever be an end is similar to asking if there was ever a grand beginning.
It seems nothing magically pops into or out of existence - things change form, everything is eternal, without beginning, and without end - that is simplest solution. Occam's razor - Wikipedia
I think asking if there will ever be an end is similar to asking if there was ever a grand beginning.
It seems nothing magically pops into or out of existence - things change form, everything is eternal, without beginning, and without end - that is simplest solution. Occam's razor - Wikipedia
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Ancient Hebrew Word Studies
Child Root
Transliteration: "Qa-NeH"
Meaning: To build a nest.
Comments: This child root is a nest builder, one who builds a nest such as a bird. Also God as in Bereshiyt (Genesis) 14.19; "God most high creator (qaneh) of sky and earth". The English word "create" is an abstract word and a foriegn concept to the Hebrews. While we see God as one who makes something from nothing (create), the Hebrews saw God like a bird who goes about acquiring and gathering materials to build a nest (qen), the sky and earth. The Hebrews saw man as the children (eggs) that God built the nest for.
Definition: Nest
Reference: Numbers 24:2
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"the" beginning? or just "a" beginning?
101 Noun Strong's Number: g746 Greek: arche
Begin, Beginning, Beginner:
means "a beginning." The root arch-- primarily indicated what was of worth. Hence the verb archo meant "to be first," and archon denoted "a ruler." So also arose the idea of "a beginning," the origin, the active cause, whether a person or thing, e.g., Col 1:18. In Hbr 2:3 the phrase "having at the first been spoken" is, lit., "having received a beginning to be spoken." In 2Th 2:13 ("God chose you from the beginning"), there is a well supported alternative reading, "chose you as first-fruits" (i.e., aparchen, instead of ap' arches). In Hbr 6:1, where the word is rendered "first principles," the original has "let us leave the word of the beginning of Christ," i.e., the doctrine of the elementary principles relating to Christ.
In Jhn 8:25, Christ's reply to the question "Who art Thou?," "Even that which I have spoken unto you from the beginning," does not mean that He had told them before; He declares that He is consistently the unchanging expression of His own teaching and testimony from the first, the immutable embodiment of His doctrine.
See CORNER, FIRST, MAGISTRATE, POWER, PRINCIPALITY, RULE.
Note: In the following passages the AV faulty translations, "since the world began," etc. are rightly rendered in the RV by "before times eternal" and similar phrases, Rom 16:25; Eph 3:9; 2Ti 1:9; Tts 1:2. The alteration has not been made, however, in Luk 1:70; Jhn 9:32; Act 3:21; 15:18.
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2 Strong's Number: g746 Greek: arche
Corner, Cornerstone:
"a beginning" (its usual meaning), "first in time, order, or place," is used to denote the extremities or "corners" of a sheet, Act 10:11; 11:5.
See BEGINNING.
Note: For the adjective akrogoniaios (from akros, "extreme, highest," and No. 1), "a chief corner stone," see CHIEF. They were laid so as to give strength to the two walls with which they were connected. So Christ unites Jew and Gentile, Eph 2:20; again, as one may carelessly stumble over the "corner stone," when turning the "corner," so Christ proved a stumbling stone to Jews, 1Pe 2:6.
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301 Noun Strong's Number: g746 Greek: arche
First:
"a beginning," is translated "first" in Hbr 5:12, "of the first (principles of the oracles of God)," lit. "(the principles) of the beginning (of the oracles of God);" in Hbr 6:1 "the first (principles) of Christ," lit., "(the account) of the beginning of Christ," i.e., the elementary teaching concerning Christ. In Act 26:4, where the word is preceded by apo, "from," the AV has "at the first," the RV, "from the beginning."
Notes:
(1) In Jud 1:6 arche has the meaning "principality," as in the RV and the AV margin.
(2) In 2Cr 8:12 prokeimai, "to be present," lit., "to lie beforehand" (pro, "before," keimaim "to lie"), RV renders "(if the readiness) is there," for AV, "if there be first (a willing mind)."
See SET, A, No. 23.
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QuestioningMind
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Yes, plants do react to their surroundings... but that does not mean that plants possess consciousnesses
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Milton Platt
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Define your concept of "nothing".
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I think right and wrong apply to plants as well -
wrong - grow into the shade, grow without roots, grow without protection against bugs etc.
right - seek light, store water, have a firm foundation, reproduce
con·science
/ˈkän(t)SHəns/
noun
- 1.an inner feeling or voice viewed as acting as a guide to the rightness or wrongness of one's behavior:
QuestioningMind
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Provide evidence that plants have an 'inner feeling' or 'voice' and you might have an argument. But there's absolutely ZERO evidence to back up such a claim.
void of physical motion or matter
Milton Platt
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So nothing could be filled with energy?..........what about space? Since space is something, then it does not qualify as "nothing". It can be acted upon and warped by mass. I still don't get the concept. I can think of no examples of "nothing" to examine.
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What is the difference between a plant and a rock? between something that lives/moves vs. something that does not?
