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Something from Nothing

Fool

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Unveiled Artist said:
No. Your consciousness form as you grow older and access the word and people youre around. The awareness goes when the brain dies.

What is consciousness apart from our brain and mind?
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so you're implying that the transceiver is capturing information from it's surroundings, downloading it, translating it, and then it disappears? so all information ceases to exist; so then how did something come from nothing to begin with?

so when a piece of the hologram is destroyed the hologram is destroyed?

you're implying, like some scientists, that information arises from nothing. that humans created consciousness, knowledge with their brains
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Fool said:
so you're implying that the transceiver is capturing information from it's surroundings, downloading it, translating it, and then it disappears? so all information ceases to exist; so then how did something come from nothing to begin with?

so when a piece of the hologram is destroyed the hologram is destroyed?
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I dont understand the second part; but...

Say you're a toddler and you are starting develop language and meanful behavior in relation to people and your environment. You become consciously aware of what affects you and your bring interprets these things as being either X or why. As external stimili start to be explained by language the awareness to create understanding of language.
Our thoughts hold in what we extract from our environment, how we label our feelings and so forth. It comes from response to a stimili. So, say if someone hits you, your pain didnt just pop from no where (though age may make it seem so). Its based on the laws of cause and effect.

I dont know if this is scientifically sound, but I figure our thoughts are just nerve responses to external stimili. The "photocopy" of that stimili is interpreted to language and depending on the intensity say of being yelled at vs. PTSD depends on whether we keep those thoughts. We replay them in our heads as OOs to their 1s in computer language. Like computers, it shoots out info but internally its nothing but Os and 1s.

But this cant happen without consciousness. It comes and goes like a train moving and nerve impulse sparkling. But, like a computer, just because the 0 isnt seen doesnt mean it cant be used again to create another set of languages for computer function.
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Yes. It does all of that. I wouldnt say it disappears. Its just ongoing like 0s and 1s dont disapear when doing computer language. Once the computer is broke, so is the PC that translate language. Our brains are like computers. They are the same. No metaphysics about it.
 
tempogain

tempogain

Member
We've evolved all kinds of things, maybe from nothing or maybe not. Consciousness just seems weird because we use it to think about consciousness. No way around that.
 
Fool

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Unveiled Artist said:
I dont understand the second part; but...

Say you're a toddler and you are starting develop language and meanful behavior in relation to people and your environment. You become consciously aware of what affects you and your bring interprets these things as being either X or why. As external stimili start to be explained by language the awareness to create understanding of language.
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languages are a form of an idea. there can be an infinite number of language forms expressing an idea. the idea looks different but the idea is being expressed differently. the idea doesn't change, the form does. the information is still there the form it takes isn't. the consciousness is still there. the form it takes isn't.


Unveiled Artist said:
Yes. It does all of that. I wouldnt say it disappears. Its just ongoing like 0s and 1s dont disapear when doing computer language. Once the computer is broke, so is the PC that translate language. Our brains are like computers. They are the same. No metaphysics about it.
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so how you capture, download, translate, upload is different. the information remains the same. the no-hiding theorem says that information, knowledge cannot be created, or destroyed, its simply transferred somewhere else, or appears in another system/form
 
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Fool

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
tempogain said:
. Consciousness just seems weird because we use it to think about consciousness.
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this is when you have self awareness. instead of reacting to something, you question it. you see, by understanding, or the inner light the abstract and the concrete, you see the consciousness and the outward form it takes
 
osgart

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Something from nothing implies at some point there is no cause and effect. Pop!, its there.
 
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