SOTU, so what?

[Revoltingest]

Some women can't travel at all. And these travel restriction bills will likely become more common amd restrictive.

Idaho becomes one of the most extreme anti-abortion states with law restricting travel for abortions

A bill that prohibits people in Idaho from helping pregnant minors leave the state to obtain abortions became law on Wednesday.

www.nbcnews.com

Republicans block bill to protect women who travel to other states for abortions

Senate Republicans appear split over whether women who live in states where abortion is banned should be able to travel to end pregnancies.

www.nbcnews.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/29/abortion-state-lines/

See the previous post, #199.
You're both still right....and wrong.

 

[fantome profane]

Why don't you try that out,
& see if your meaning is
correctly inferred, eh.

I could try it out, and perhaps over time it might catch on. Stranger things have happened.

But I am not going to do that. I find the term dehumanizing. Which I suspect is a plus for some people who use it.

 

[We Never Know]

There is law de juro, & law de facto.
There's no question about the constitutional right to
travel between the states. But if a state bans that,
& enforces it, the people victimized by it are subject
to arrest, violence, prosecution, & huge legal bills.

It's analogous to your right to record cops in public.
You can legally do it. And you might be beaten,
arrested, & prosecuted for it anyway. (If you're
lucky & persistent, you might win a civil judgement.)

Several states have introduced legislation for it but as of now I don't think any state has a law that can/will completely prevent it.

 

[PureX]

My observations about the SOTU speech was that Biden appeared to be a bit psychotic in his frantic attempt to appear to be virile and lucid. And to be honest, for me, it didn't work. His age was clearly showing through the attempted smoke screen.

My second observation was the reason why I usually don't watch those speeches and prefer to skim them after the noise settles down. And tat is that they are so absurdly dishonest in pretty much every way. From the constant popping up and down for phony 'ovations' to the incredible annoying over-stated litany of weak and pathetic "accomplishments".

I was not impressed. But then that was never going to be a likely outcome. The fact that Biden didn't forget to wear his pants was an accomplishment via today's political standards. That he was able to stand there and read a teleprompter for 40 minutes strait with millions of people watching is an accomplishment that would very likely be beyond my capabilities. Especially when you know damn well that even the slightest gaff will become the ONLY news item from the speech in tomorrow's news cycle.

So in the end it was exactly as I expected. And I expected very little.

 

[We Never Know]

Some women can't travel at all. And these travel restriction bills will likely become more common amd restrictive.

Idaho becomes one of the most extreme anti-abortion states with law restricting travel for abortions

A bill that prohibits people in Idaho from helping pregnant minors leave the state to obtain abortions became law on Wednesday.

www.nbcnews.com

Republicans block bill to protect women who travel to other states for abortions

Senate Republicans appear split over whether women who live in states where abortion is banned should be able to travel to end pregnancies.

www.nbcnews.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/29/abortion-state-lines/

To my knowledge in Idaho it isn't banned or restricted for everyone, its limited to minors.
Your link was April 2023.
This one is from July 2023

"The travel ban, which took effect May 5, created the crime of “abortion trafficking,” punishable by a minimum of two years in prison. It forbids helping a person under 18 years old obtain abortion pills or leave the state for abortion care without parental permission."

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/12/health/idaho-abortion-travel-ban-lawsuit-kff-health-news/index.html

 

[fantome profane]

To my knowledge in Idaho it isn't banned or restricted for everyone, its limited to minors.

And is that ok with you? Is that something you personally support? If a 17 year old girl wants an abortion do you believe the government should stop her?

 

[We Never Know]

And is that ok with you? Is that something you personally support? If a 17 year old girl wants an abortion do you believe the government should stop her?

Not my decision to make.
If a 17 year old wants to buy alcohol, cigarettes, or vote... the government has laws against that to stop them.

 

[fantome profane]

Not my decision to make.
If a 17 year old wants to buy alcohol, cigarettes, or vote... the government has laws against that to stop them.

Ok, If you were going to vote for a State representative, Governor, Congress person or even President. Would knowing such a person supported preventing a 17 year old person from getting an abortion make you a) more likely to vote for them, b) less likely to vote for them, or c) make no difference at all?

 

[We Never Know]

Ok, If you were going to vote for a State representative, Governor, Congress person or even President. Would knowing such a person supported preventing a 17 year old person from getting an abortion make you a) more likely to vote for them, b) less likely to vote for them, or c) make no difference at all?

Maybe do what I did in the presidential election of 2020 and will do again this year.... Not vote.
Now if someone else was worthy of voting for they would get my vote.

 

[fantome profane]

Now if someone else was worthy of voting for they would get my vote.

And if this hypothetical person, hypothetically, supported preventing a 17 year old person from getting an abortion make them a) more worthy of your vote, b) less less worthy of your vote, or c) make no difference at all?

 

[LadyJane]

Not my decision to make.

Exactly. It's the patient and her doctor's decision.

 

[We Never Know]

And if this hypothetical person, hypothetically, supported preventing a 17 year old person from getting an abortion make them a) more worthy of your vote, b) less less worthy of your vote, or c) make no difference at all?

Maybe do what I did in the presidential election of 2020 and will do again this year.... Not vote.
Now if someone else was worthy of voting for they would get my vote.

 

[fantome profane]

Maybe do what I did in the presidential election of 2020 and will do again this year.... Not vote.
Now if someone else was worthy of voting for they would get my vote.

eff ya dun wanna ansa, jus sa ya dun wanna ansa.

 

[We Never Know]

eff ya dun wanna ansa, jus sa ya dun wanna ansa.

I all ready answered twice. You just don't like my answer.

I'm only for abortion in cases of rape, molestation, incest, mothers life in danger for examples.
Not as a form of birth control

People are responsible for their own actions. When there is a way out that will void that responsibility, people lose interests in being responsible.

As I've stated before educate kids on prevention, contraceptives and make them easily available to them instead of making abortion easily available.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I am legitimately curious. Accepting for the moment the premise that these people are referred to as "illegals" because they did something that was illegal, why don't we refer to other people who do illegal things by the same term?

Should we refer to anyone who has committed tax fraud as an "illegal"? Or if you commit a traffic violation, does that make you an "illegal"? Is every person who jaywalks an "illegal"?

That would make Trump an illegal...

 

[F1fan]

I am legitimately curious. Accepting for the moment the premise that these people are referred to as "illegals" because they did something that was illegal, why don't we refer to other people who do illegal things by the same term?

Should we refer to anyone who has committed tax fraud as an "illegal"? Or if you commit a traffic violation, does that make you an "illegal"? Is every person who jaywalks an "illegal"?

Trump is an illegal.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

But I am not going to do that. I find the term dehumanizing. Which I suspect is a plus for some people who use it.

I agree. The purpose is to demonize the people. Afterall, it is incredibly wierd and awkward to refer to folks as "legals." Like, I am a legal.

 

[Kathryn]

That's why I call them illegal immigrants or illegal aliens. And I am only concerned with those people. The ones who are here ILLEGALLY. I believe we need to know who is in our country. I am not at all concerned with legal immigrants.

 

[F1fan]

I all ready answered twice. You just don't like my answer.

I'm only for abortion in cases of rape, molestation, incest, mothers life in danger for examples.
Not as a form of birth control

Ok. Set that as your standard. Why should those with the same standard limit those who have broader standards? Why make their business your business?

People are responsible for their own actions.

Until a minority uses institutional power, like the Supreme Court, gerrymandering, etc., to implement laws that the majority don’t agree with or want. Conservatives are not being responsible where it comes to defending freedoms.

When there is a way out that will void that responsibility, people lose interests in being responsible.

Poverty is an impediment to responsibility in many ways given the costs, like for healthcare. We have to blame the system for being overly commercialized.

As I've stated before educate kids on prevention, contraceptives and make them easily available to them instead of making abortion easily available.

Well I agree with education. But we can’t close the door to other options for political reasons.

 

[We Never Know]

I agree. The purpose is to demonize the people. Afterall, it is incredibly wierd and awkward to refer to folks as "legals." Like, I am a legal.

Crossing illegally...
Would you prefer criminal instead of illegal immigrant?