Aye, MI can go either way.
So Biden should listen to us, & act.
Otherwise he'll get ****** in the ***.
(Not by me. I don't swing that way.)
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SOTU, so what?
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So Biden should listen to us, & act.
Otherwise he'll get ****** in the ***.
(Not by me. I don't swing that way.)
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Would that still be true if Republicans controlled Congress and the Presidency?
It's insincere to argue that abortion rights aren't in danger in the US when Republicans literally stacked the Supreme Court to overturn Roe vs. Wade.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I'm not talking about inaction. I am talking about voting for someone else.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
This is why, barring a really good counter argument, I am a fan of some sort of ranked choice voting.
We Never Know
No Slack
Since you seem so concerned about the law in Missouri here is a story about the emergency contraception not being legal. It was not made available since the new laws were unclear about it being legal. Missouri clarified the availability in simmer 2022.
Missouri AG says state abortion ban does not prohibit Plan B or contraception • Missouri Independent
Attorney General Eric Schmitt’s office clarified Wednesday that Plan B and contraception is not prohibited under Missouri law.missouriindependent.com
I'm not concerned about it. You (again) made the claim that in Missouri the morning after pill is illegal and you so far can't support that claim(same as you couldn't support it the first time when you made that claim on another thread when challenged).
Then you change to divorces so I showed you California is the same then you dropped that.
And further...
Emergency contraceptives like “Plan B” are legal in all 50 states
Plan B Laws by State 2024
Remember when I said if it isn't implanted then its not yet a pregnancy?
Take Wyoming for example....
"The crux of the two-page Wyoming bill is a provision making it illegal to “prescribe, dispense, distribute, sell or use any drug for the purpose of procuring or performing an abortion”.
So-called “morning-after” pills, prescription contraceptive medication used after sex but before a pregnancy can be confirmed, are exempted from the ban."
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anna.
colors your eyes with what's not there
This is a hilarious read.
Opinion | Katie Britt’s kitchen was a bleak stand-in for a chilling conservative vision
A carefully crafted domestic diorama to distract from her party's record.www.msnbc.com
It’s no accident that Alabama Sen. Katie Britt issued the Republican Party’s response to the State of the Union address from her kitchen table, since the kitchen is precisely where the GOP would prefer we women spend most of our lives. Ideally, Britt would have been canning beans or kneading bread with a baby on her hip at the same time, but the related racket would likely have made her strained stage-whispers about murderous immigrants difficult to hear.
This unhinged author slams the republican response because it is from a kitchen where we republicans all "want women to stay", all the while the speech was coming from a republican woman in power in US congress. These people are a joke.
Forget the kitchen, behold the unhinged creepiness of Katie Britt!
The only positive to come out of her horror film audition is the right keeps talking about it in the hope that maybe it'll take some attention from the masterful speech by President Biden.
Once again you have to push an issue that you're not concerned about. And excuse me for for not keeping up on the current state of affairs on the morning after pill. I live in Missouri and I remember when the republicans passed the very strict anti-abortion law after Roe was overturned. That led to that medicine not being sold to women, and was a huge controvercy in Missouri. Did you not read the article? It says that the law was ambiguous and the pill was not being made available. It was big news. That is what I remembered. Due to pressure by citizens and women's reproductive advocates the law was clarified in summer 2022 that made the MA pill legal.
The fact is the morning after pill being used in Missouri remains a legal risk. This is the result of the extremism by republicans in states they control. This is their agenda, and where is the end of it? This is how extreme and far republcians are going in regards to how they treat pregnant women
Regardless it is a law that takes control over women, including in California. I wonder if that law was passed during the Reagan governor era. At least in Missouri there is a bill to overturn that law.
These laws illustrates how the state controls the legal freedom of women just because they are pregnant. Missouri is very rural and very far right. The three large cities have to live with the politics the rural voters decide, and it creates a lot of problems.
Her performance reminded my of a bipolar person. One minute she's smiling and happy, then two inutes later she's suddenly angry and a bout to rip your head off, then a few minutes later she's happy again and smling in a creepy way, then a minute later she's on the verge of tears. The roller coaster of emotions made what she was saying obscured.
She's been highly criticized for this performance by both right and left. They were obviously going for the emotional appeal by attacking migrants, but there was no broader policy issues. It's as if we deport all migrants (only from the south, right?) and suddenly the USA is perfect nation, and everybody is happy. At least for two minutes before switching to full rage, and then back to happiness, until sadness takes over.
If this is the republicans strategy I support their efforts. Oh, and Trump is taking all the gop money, so sorry all you down ballot republicans. Oh, and Trump will be working hard to get as much of the donations as possible, so good luck out there with your small campaigns.
Imagine what Trump would do if elected. Gaza won't get anything in the form of aid from the USA. Israel will because Netanyahu is an authoritarian leader, and Trump will work to keep him in power, and that includes the ongoing destruction of Gaza.
Why aren't you acknowledging the harbor that Biden is building in Gaza to deliver aid? Even Israel isn't objecting. I suspect they don;t object because they are seeing it as a way to force palastinians out of Gaza so Israel can annex the land. Where else can they go? Not Egypt.
I do agree that Biden needs to stop aid to Israel that can be used to kill palastinians. I would say only food, building, and medical supplies as aid.
Biden is in a no win situation. If Biden is too rigid Netanyahu could appeal to other authoritarian leaders for aid, and we lose a long standing ally in the Middle East.
I know you don't want to vote for Biden, but every non-vote for Biden could allow Trump re-election, and that will only cause a greater humanitarian crisis for Gaza. Got to look at the big picture.
Why is Biden at fault? He has authorized aid. Look at who is preventing aid from getting into Gaza. Why do you think Biden and other nations have ordered air drops of food as a next level plan? And now he's authorized building a harbor to deliver even more aid, and likely offer medical aid given Israel has destroyed all the hospitals. Yet you write posts as if Biden is deliberately holding back food.
If Trump wins do you think he will give any concern for Gaza? How many Republicans are crying out for Biden to ramp up aid for Gaza? They aren't. Only Biden is doing anything, even if it isn't enough to prevent the humanitarian crisis that Netanyahu is creating.
Only if the enter without filing for asylum. Or if they miss court dates. One dilemma for these migrants waiting for court dates is that the dates are a year in the future, and they are moved to cities far from where the courthouse is. They may not have the money to travel, and so miss court dates.
The bipartisan bill the Trump sabotaged included funding to add judges and courts to reduce the time delay for court dates, so migrants would have their cases resolved within months, not over a year. So the system has many flaws. The current law does no limit the number of migrants, but the bill that Trump sabotaged did set a limit. I think it is a good idea to have limits, and perhaps a lottery system should be used. In any event there will be no improvements as long as Trump is calling the shots for republcians.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I'm only talking about illegal immigrants. So are most conservative people. But for some reason (gee, what could it be?) other people insist on calling them all "migrants." They are not all legal migrants. Most people I know, maybe even all the people I know, don't have any issue with LEGAL immigration. It's the ILLEGAL immigration they have a problem with.
We Never Know
No Slack
Yep. As I said before. If they want to come in use the door and do it legally.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
So you say, but your posts tell us otherwise. You object to the term "migrants", but that is the correct term. You do not know if they are legal or not until they have at the least had a hearing. Remember "innocent until proven guilty"? That applies to foreigners too that are in the US whether just visiting or as a migrant of one form or another.
And no, most conservatives are sadly rather racist today. You cannot support Trump and claim not to be a racist.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Except that by US law (and international law that we agreed to as well) migrants that cross the border and then turn themselves in and apply for refugee status are legal. It does not matter how they got across. If you are going to use the term "illegal immigrant" make sure that you do not apply it to those that have followed the rules, even if you do not like those rules.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
That's why I don't support Trump. It's actually pretty laughable to infer that I'm a racist in fact. Also, I have repeatedly stated that I am only referring to ILLEGAL immigrants. You know, people who are in the US illegally.
Trump is likely worse than Biden because of
his fundie Christian (ie, anti-Muslim) base.
I've addressed it.
You just missed it.
So far Biden is just talk without action.
I can't predict whether he'll do something useful,
or continue the status quo + weak/empty gestures.
I wouldn't be surprised if Biden is just putting
on a show that he's coordinated with Israel.
Biden needs to find a strategic path that
will win votes, & protect Palestinians.
Evidence shows no intention for the latter.
That should change.
My view is with 2 such terrible choices,
I'll play the long game by voting Libertarian.
Not voting for evil this year.
"Migrant" is a sanitized PC term.
They're "illegal migrants", "illegal immigrants", etc.
"Illegal" is an accurate term, even if it offends the left.
They're typically not even a different race.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
But you do not know which ones are illegal. That was the point. You keep assuming that they are. Okay, let's say that somehow we get rid of all illegal immigrants, and we can ignore how devastating that would be to the US agricultural system for now. That would take care of a quarter to a third of border crossers. Now what do you do?