South Dakota governor vetoes anti-transgender bathroom bill.

[Saint Frankenstein]

"PIERRE, S.D. — South Dakota's governor vetoed a bill Tuesday that would have made the state the first in the U.S. to approve a law requiring transgender students to use bathrooms and locker rooms that match their sex at birth.

Republican Gov. Dennis Daugaard, who initially reacted positively to the proposal but said he needed to research the issue, rejected the bill after the American Civil Liberties Union and the Human Rights Campaign insisted it was discriminatory. In his veto message, Daugaard said the bill "does not address any pressing issue" and such decisions were best left to local school officials."
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/south-dakota-governor-vetoes-law-transgender-bathrooms-n529466

I'm very relieved about this. I was really worried he was going to let it become law. That would've been very scary. If it had passed, it would've been the first law of its kind in America. It seemed that the governor was leaning towards letting it pass, but apparently hearing the testimonies of trans people changed his mind.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Would you want your daughter sharing a bathroom with someone who was born a male and still has male genitals but has decided to call himself a female? Once a male, always a male. No matter what you snip off or add on.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Would you want your daughter sharing a bathroom with someone who was born a male and still has male genitals but has decided to call himself a female? Once a male, always a male. No matter what you snip off or add on.

I'm a trans guy (female to male). No, I don't have a problem with trans girls and trans women using the girl's/women's room and female locker rooms. There's no threat there.

 

[Skwim]

Would you want your daughter sharing a bathroom with someone who was born a male and still has male genitals but has decided to call himself a female? Once a male, always a male. No matter what you snip off or add on.

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[Revoltingest]

Would you want your daughter sharing a bathroom with someone who was born a male and still has male genitals but has decided to call himself a female? Once a male, always a male. No matter what you snip off or add on.

I'd be OK with it.
But to describe it as simply deciding to call himself a female is to mis-state what is going on.
It's about who they are, which is more fundamental than adopting a label.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

No, it's not about who they are. They are born male with all the male anatomy but something makes them think they are female. Maybe they go to a lot of expensive medical treatment to change their appearance but they are still who they were born. I can take my 20 year old car and put some paint on it and pretty it up a little but that does not make it a brand new limo.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, it's not about who they are. They are born male with all the male anatomy but something makes them think they are female. Maybe they go to a lot of expensive medical treatment to change their appearance but they are still who they were born.

Who they are is not defined by genitalia at birth.
It's more about their mental gender, which in the case of trans folk, determines how they function in society.
If they function as a particular gender, then this should determine which lav they use.

I can take my 20 year old car and put some paint on it and pretty it up a little but that does not make it a brand new limo.

Your analogy is about a mere change in surface appearance.
This is a different situation, ie, it's driven by something more fundamental.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

No, it's not about who they are. They are born male with all the male anatomy but something makes them think they are female. Maybe they go to a lot of expensive medical treatment to change their appearance but they are still who they were born. I can take my 20 year old car and put some paint on it and pretty it up a little but that does not make it a brand new limo.

Trans men exist, you know. I'm one of them, right here. Why are you so obsessed with trans women and what anatomy they may or may not have? Would you be cool with my bearded, burly, deep-voiced self using the ladies room or a female locker room?

 

[Nietzsche]

No, it's not about who they are. They are born male with all the male anatomy but something makes them think they are female. Maybe they go to a lot of expensive medical treatment to change their appearance but they are still who they were born. I can take my 20 year old car and put some paint on it and pretty it up a little but that does not make it a brand new limo.

Are..are you being serious? For one, I'm not sure if anyone has told you this yet, so if not please sit down, I've got some bad news, because Cars? The Pixar Movie where automobiles talk? Not actually a documentary. People and cars aren't related or similar in any meaningful fashion other than being made up of atoms. I mention this because that's the only way I can figure out why someone would use such a painfully stupid analogy.

A transgender individual is someone born with a body that doesn't match who they are in their head.

Would you want your daughter sharing a bathroom with someone who was born a male and still has male genitals but has decided to call himself a female? Once a male, always a male. No matter what you snip off or add on.

So the wimminfolk gotta be protected from..what, exactly? In this situation, it would be a transwoman, so someone whos' body was born anatomically male but identifies as a woman. Generally speaking, they're also attracted to men...so what's the transwoman gonna be getting out of this except a place to ****?

 

[Ingledsva]

A Ted Talk that I watched - asked for rows of anyone-can-use single stall bathrooms, - with a small bench and hooks in each, so people could change in them as well.

This would do away with the so-called problem above, and would also be good for anyone that has a problem with body image, or societal, or religious taboos, etc.

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[Shadow Wolf]

Would you want your daughter sharing a bathroom with someone who was born a male and still has male genitals but has decided to call himself a female?

People go into the restroom to relieve themselves. Many countries do not even have sex-segregated restrooms, and they think nothing of it. I'd have no problems with it, because there is a hella difference between a transsexual and voyeur. Trans-women are also typically heterosexual (attracted to men). You may as well just make the law because, heaven forbid, what if a lesbian goes into the women's restroom?

No matter what you snip off or add on.

By saying "snip off," you really show your lack of knowledge of the issue. Believe it or not, things are moved around and sculpted, but the only things that get "snipped" are the testicles.

They are born male with all the male anatomy but something makes them think they are female.

Science has proven that their brains are far more like the brains of their identified sex than their birth sex. It is, very literally, something that does indeed have a physiological basis.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And this Dennis Daugaard may just become one of my favorite politicians. Too bad he isn't governing this **** state, where a representative wanted to try to pass a similar bill.

 

[Jumi]

Trans men exist, you know. I'm one of them, right here. Why are you so obsessed with trans women and what anatomy they may or may not have? Would you be cool with my bearded, burly, deep-voiced self using the ladies room or a female locker room?

As a man I for one would be awkward if I was trying to use the stall and a stranger, woman(born male) was next to me...

 

[Thana]

Trans men exist, you know. I'm one of them, right here. Why are you so obsessed with trans women and what anatomy they may or may not have? Would you be cool with my bearded, burly, deep-voiced self using the ladies room or a female locker room?

Mm.. I don't think it's about demeanor or appearance, It's simply just being uncomfortable using the restroom and being vulnerable whilst doing it around the opposite sex. So yes, I suppose in a way it is about what anatomy they may or may not have. I feel more comfortable with people who have the same parts as me. It's a.. I don't know.. it's an unconcious understanding we all have. We have an often unacknowledged but no less relevant bond because we share the same parts and have the same experiences. And we don't have that with people who have different parts, and are therefore less comfortable in the bathroom with them.

I think it's an unconcious psychological thing. Even though you're a trans man, I'd still feel comfortable in the bathroom with you because we share something.

Or maybe it's only me that feels that way. I don't know.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It's simply just being uncomfortable using the restroom and being vulnerable whilst doing it around the opposite sex.

Unless you're being rude, and awkward, and trying to sneak a peek, how are you even going to know what parts they have? What vulnerability lies in people going in, doing their thing, and leaving?

We have an often unacknowledged but no less relevant bond because we share the same parts

The thing with transsexuals is they do not have this sort of bond with those of their birth sex. They are very apt for feeling out of place, feeling they don't belong, and not able to form the usual social male-male or female-female bonds their brains are more like their identified sex rather than their birth sex.
Very literally, a transsexual poses no threat to you in the restroom. There is no reason to feel vulnerable, awkward, uneasy, or that your space is being invaded.

I think it's an unconcious psychological thing. Even though you're a trans man, I'd still feel comfortable in the bathroom with you because we share something.

You'd probably feel more comfortable with me, given it would look really weird as all hells should a bearded man be walking into the women's restroom. Kind of what Jumi said, being in a restroom and a MtF person using the same restroom.

 

[LuisDantas]

Would you want your daughter sharing a bathroom with someone who was born a male and still has male genitals but has decided to call himself a female? Once a male, always a male. No matter what you snip off or add on.

You have NO idea of how wrong you are.

 

[LuisDantas]

A Ted Talk that I watched - asked for rows of anyone-can-use single stall bathrooms, - with a small bench and hooks in each, so people could change in them as well.

This would do away with the so-called problem above, and would also be good for anyone that has a problem with body image, or societal, or religious taboos, etc.

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I agree with that. Make some of them friendly to physically handicapped people while at it.

 

[Thana]

Unless you're being rude, and awkward, and trying to sneak a peek, how are you even going to know what parts they have? What vulnerability lies in people going in, doing their thing, and leaving?

The thing with transsexuals is they do not have this sort of bond with those of their birth sex. They are very apt for feeling out of place, feeling they don't belong, and not able to form the usual social male-male or female-female bonds their brains are more like their identified sex rather than their birth sex.
Very literally, a transsexual poses no threat to you in the restroom. There is no reason to feel vulnerable, awkward, uneasy, or that your space is being invaded.

You'd probably feel more comfortable with me, given it would look really weird as all hells should a bearded man be walking into the women's restroom. Kind of what Jumi said, being in a restroom and a MtF person using the same restroom.

I'm not talking about feeling threatened, I'm talking about feeling uncomfortable. Not because of sexuality, but because you're uncomfortable doing your business with people who don't have the same plumbing as you. Because they don't understand you like your own sex understands you. Like I said, an unconcious bond that makes you more comfortable. And using the bathroom with strangers is being vulnerable, so you prefer it with people who understand you and are like you.

And no, you're wrong. I just said it wasn't about appearance or demeanor, I don't care if Saint had a beard and a deep voice and yes I would feel more comfortable with him than you because as I said before, He and I share an understanding that you and I do not.

And I understand that the issues with transexuality are hard for those going through it, Which is why I'm trying to convey my feelings on the bathroom issue so that you know it's not always about prejudice, sometimes it's just a modesty/psychological thing.

 

[leibowde84]

"PIERRE, S.D. — South Dakota's governor vetoed a bill Tuesday that would have made the state the first in the U.S. to approve a law requiring transgender students to use bathrooms and locker rooms that match their sex at birth.

Republican Gov. Dennis Daugaard, who initially reacted positively to the proposal but said he needed to research the issue, rejected the bill after the American Civil Liberties Union and the Human Rights Campaign insisted it was discriminatory. In his veto message, Daugaard said the bill "does not address any pressing issue" and such decisions were best left to local school officials."
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/south-dakota-governor-vetoes-law-transgender-bathrooms-n529466

I'm very relieved about this. I was really worried he was going to let it become law. That would've been very scary. If it had passed, it would've been the first law of its kind in America. It seemed that the governor was leaning towards letting it pass, but apparently hearing the testimonies of trans people changed his mind.

I agree completely. I often hear people arguing for bills like this based completely on speculation. Until there are concrete facts/statistics about how this is a substantial issue, we shouldn't even be considering it. It seems prejudiced to just assume that it will be, to tell you the truth.

 

[Twilight Hue]

"PIERRE, S.D. — South Dakota's governor vetoed a bill Tuesday that would have made the state the first in the U.S. to approve a law requiring transgender students to use bathrooms and locker rooms that match their sex at birth.

Republican Gov. Dennis Daugaard, who initially reacted positively to the proposal but said he needed to research the issue, rejected the bill after the American Civil Liberties Union and the Human Rights Campaign insisted it was discriminatory. In his veto message, Daugaard said the bill "does not address any pressing issue" and such decisions were best left to local school officials."
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/south-dakota-governor-vetoes-law-transgender-bathrooms-n529466

I'm very relieved about this. I was really worried he was going to let it become law. That would've been very scary. If it had passed, it would've been the first law of its kind in America. It seemed that the governor was leaning towards letting it pass, but apparently hearing the testimonies of trans people changed his mind.

I think its time for more unisex facilities.