Southern Baptists: Supreme Court is not final authority on gay marriage

[Jainarayan]

I believe they have tried to force Roman Catholics to provide contraception.

You believe? Can you cite a source, a legal case, court decision?

 

[Neo Deist]

That doesn't excuse the fact they allowed it.

I never said it did. That was the culture...just like the Hebrews.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I believe you will also find murder gang rape and a host of other sins but that doesn't mean that just because they are in the Bible that God appoves of them.

Sure. But if that's the case, why pick out homosexuality? If God was okay with Moses and Abraham having multiple wives, surely he was okay with it.

I believe He never said anything about UFO's so UFO's must be real, lol.

It's not so much about something being real, but about someone making a moral stance from what they consider to be an authority on morality.

I believe somehow I missed that so maybe you could point it out.

1st Corinthians?

8But I say to the unmarried and to widows that it is (G)good for them if they remain (H)even as I.
9But if they do not have self-control, (I)let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

But that was apparently Paul and not Jesus.

As I said, I'm not a Biblical scholar.

What my argument comes down to is that Biblical marriage isn't all what 21st Baptists may consider ethical: 1 man and 1 woman.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

I am somewhat confused. What do they think will change? If they aren't preforming gay marriages they won't be forced to preform them. And I don't know of any homosexuals that would want to have a southern baptist do their ceremony except perhaps out of spite. But still they don't have to preform any kind of marriage that they don't want to. So what will they not obey?

 

[Akivah]

Shouldn't convictions be about how one lives their own life, rather than about how others live theirs? No one is asking religious people to change what or how they practice and believe. They're only asking that these beliefs and practices not be imposed upon others. This is a nation founded upon the principle of liberty, after all.

That seems to be exactly what they are advocating. The only call to action that Dr. Floyd made in that entire linked article is

“I declare to everyone today as a minister of the Gospel – I will not officiate over any same-sex unions or same-sex marriage ceremonies,” he said. “I completely refuse.”

As the same-sex marriage supporters keep saying, this issue is only about civil marriage, not religious ones. So Dr. Floyd's beliefs and comments should have no effect on you. Unless you are simply unable to abide anyone whose opinion differs from your own.

 

[Jainarayan]

So Dr. Floyd's beliefs and comments should have no effect on you. Unless you are simply unable to abide anyone whose opinion differs from your own.

It's not that... it's showing a profound ignorance of how this country works.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I am somewhat confused. What do they think will change? If they aren't preforming gay marriages they won't be forced to preform them. And I don't know of any homosexuals that would want to have a southern baptist do their ceremony except perhaps out of spite. But still they don't have to preform any kind of marriage that they don't want to. So what will they not obey?

To them, it effects them because they are going to have to be living in a world that Satan has further control over. It effects because, in their mind, it means America is turning its back on God and shoving Christians to the side - it's very likely that many of them will see this as an attack on Christianity itself. And, of course, they will also see it as diverging from the "original/Christian intent" established in American by the Founding Fathers.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

To them, it effects them because they are going to have to be living in a world that Satan has further control over. It effects because, in their mind, it means America is turning its back on God and shoving Christians to the side - it's very likely that many of them will see this as an attack on Christianity itself. And, of course, they will also see it as diverging from the "original/Christian intent" established in American by the Founding Fathers.

So it doesn't affect them at all and they need to get over the fact they don't have total control of a theocracy?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So it doesn't affect them at all and they need to get over the fact they don't have total control of a theocracy?

I think first what they need to do is address the paranoia that runs rampant. Many of them actually believe Christians are marginalized, they do expect much opposition even though their is little to be found, and they do think the world is out to get them.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

I think first what they need to do is address the paranoia that runs rampant. Many of them actually believe Christians are marginalized, they do expect much opposition even though their is little to be found, and they do think the world is out to get them.

There also seems to be this kind of profoundly inaccurate notion going around that Christians are somehow a minority in the US. Or another one that is even more inaccurate is that they have very little control in the state.

 

[Baladas]

There also seems to be this kind of profoundly inaccurate notion going around that Christians are somehow a minority in the US. Or another one that is even more inaccurate is that they have very little control in the state.

As a former devout Christian of many years, I can attest that this is likely mainly due to the idea of "true Christians".
In their eyes, "true Christians" are in the minority, though there are many Christians "in name".
In some cases, I believe there actually is a valid distinction, but it tends to be very overused by some groups.

 

[leibowde84]

Okay well, I don't think that the SBC should try to tell the government what to do.

I agree.

 

[Jainarayan]

As a former devout Christian of many years, I can attest that this is likely mainly due to the idea of "true Christians".
In their eyes, "true Christians" are in the minority, though there are many Christians "in name".
In some cases, I believe there actually is a valid distinction, but it tends to be very overused by some groups.

The delicious irony is that those minority "true Christians" are judging others; something "true Christians" are not supposed to do.

 

[Sand Dancer]

"The president of the Southern Baptist Convention has a message regarding the looming Supreme Court decision on same-sex marriage: We will not obey.

“The Supreme Court of the United States is not the final authority nor is the culture itself,” declared Ronnie Floyd, the elected leader of the nation’s largest Protestant denomination. “The Bible is God’s final authority about marriage and on this book we stand.”

Dr. Floyd’s powerful and provocative comments were met with thunderous applause and standing ovations from thousands of Southern Baptist messengers meeting in Columbus, Ohio.

The issue facing Southern Baptists is one that will face every person of faith in the United States – do you follow God or the government?
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Evangelical Christians across America fear that a decision legalizing same-sex marriage will have a devastating impact on religious liberty."
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This would be funny if it wasn't so sad. I suppose one could hope these SBs got so pissed they would all defect to Cuba or maybe the Galapagos islands. . . . . . . . .One could hope.


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I used to be one of those, I am sorry to say.

 

[Skwim]

I used to be one of those, I am sorry to say.

Hey, there aren't that many who get it right the first, or the second, or the third time.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I used to be one of those, I am sorry to say.

It doesn't make me feel sorry that I was one. It has provided me for an excellent perspective onto what's going on though.