I think we're largely in agreement here, we're just speaking from different levels. I just don't think the major tenets of the ToE were arrived at through the mathematical abstractions of General Relativity.
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Space-Time and Theory of Evolution
- Thread starter atanu
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Even the standard model holds of jumping states.
In biology it has been shown that DNA can tap into these quantum effects.
Here is a reference on dna doing quantum tunneling.
http://www.physics.drexel.edu/~bob/Term_Reports/Megan_Wolfe.pdf
Thats what I understand.
Who assumes this? People tend to test assumptions for a reason, cause a foundation has to hold.
Sapiens
Polymathematician
Read the article.
I had read it earlier when someone had posted the link and have re read it after your posting.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
gnostic
The Lost One
You don't.
Evolution is biology. It's study has no bearing about life outside of Earth.
I am not discounting there might be life out there in another planet, just that the theory of evolution only focused on life here.
As to space-time, it referred to motion of astronomical objects, such as stars, galaxies, etc, and to expansion of space itself.
You mean that the Earth is outside of space-time?
gnostic
The Lost One
No. Space-time is astronomical mathematical model or mathematical concept of the universe as the whole, not confined to Earth.
While the Earth and our solar system are parts of the universe, nothing we do on Earth affect our Milky Way in any measurable way.
Right now, we can send (unmanned) space crafts to any part of the solar system, but they don't in any way affect any of the planets. Even if all life on Earth died out for some reason, it would not affect the Sun, or our nearest neighbors, Mars and Venus. But if the Sun die, eg become a Red Giant (more unlikely scenario, go supernova or black hole), after running out of hydrogen atoms to fuse, the Sun will become dimensionally larger in size, and hotter than is now, it will kill all life on the planet. If the Earth don't swallow up by the red giant sun, the Earth will become like the new Venus, a lifeless, fiery hell. Becoming the red giant, the sun will affect all the planets in our solar system.
Now imagine the Earth, comparing it with the Milky Way. Do you think the death of all life on Earth will affect the galaxy?
I don't think so.
While space travel is all great and fascinating, we are no where near the technology of going to new stars. Colonising other planets from other stars, are currently no more than science fiction.
But going back to your question, atanu.
The Earth is not outside of space-time. Just that the theory of evolution has no affect to space-time, and space-time does not affect evolution.
Please read post 21 to get an inkling of what I meant and regarding the implication of the thread.
I will summarise: No doubt, that in a single inertial reference frame, all physical laws remain unchanged. But why while trying to argue about scripture vis-a-vis Theory of Evolution, we assume that the frames of references are same? In our own living experience we know that in different forms of consciousnesses, time durations mean differently.
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leibowde84
Veteran Member
We don't have enough scientific understanding to know the answer yet. If your answer to that question was "God", I would ask, "how did God do it"? And, if you were OK with not knowing the answer to that question, I would ask, "why are you OK with ignorance as to how God did it, but you aren't OK with ignorance as to whether God was responsible".
Thief
Rogue Theologian
time does not exist.
space is real enough....though it is made of nothing
evolution is a motion
the measure has nothing to do with Man's sense of time( a nonexistent entity)
So then eternity isn't real either.
Immortality is a real thing, I would think you would believe something like that with your talk about heaven and such. There is a physics to heaven and means time is a real factor that needs to be beaten.
THIS IS IT !
- God had more scientific then humans .
"How did God do it:" That's God power represented by word "BE" and it's will be.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Can you provide any evidence to support this though? How did God do these things by simply saying the words? Would you say that you are unable to express or understand how God did this?
evidence for what !
everything is evidences,look around you and examin your body.
http://quran.com/36/82
His command is only when He intends a thing that He says to it, "Be," and it is.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
How are these things you mentioned evidence that your claim is true? Can you explain that?
Good question. Then after you answer that, then you should ask who created the creator? Why stop asking questions? We can all be like my 3 year old and ask gazillions questions a day.
Tiapan
Grumpy Old Man
Why do you need a "who"?
All evidence suggests the universe is built from small things that, over the epochs of time, synergize and become more complex, while obeying the laws of physics, ie a "bottom - up" approach.
Rather than anthropomorphize faith myths, based on the "top-down" approach, which often violates the laws of physics.
I respect your right to your world view but I personally prefer facts.
Cheers
Tiapan
Grumpy Old Man
The relationship between Space time and the theory of evolution. is simply that space time in our sector of the Universe has been relatively stable for eons, allowing complexity to evolve over billions of years. We have no super massive stars, black holes or high gravitation bodies immediately nearby and we are not travelling at relativistic speeds, so our local space time is very flat stable and smooth.
Interestingly, Smolin and Davies (along with a few others) have suggested that the laws of physics may evolve. However, we don't have any evidence for such evolution occurring in the universe so Smolin and R. M. Unger wrote of a singular universe which evolves sort of cyclically and with it the laws of physics.
We gain nothing from applying the physics of spacetime, either the Minkowskian spacetime of special relativity or the more complicated Riemannian or Pseudo-Riemannian geometries of spacetime in general relativity.