Spanking Kids in Kansas

[Sunstone]

Kansas Spanking Bill.

A new bill proposed by a Democrat State Legislator would allow kids to be more harshly spanked in Kansas schools. The bill would protect school employees who struck kids hard enough to cause redness or discoloration. Apparently, discoloration means bruising.

The woman behind the measure is Wichita’s Gail Finney, a Democrat and mother of three sons. She outlined her objectives for the Wichita Eagle: to define corporal punishment for the judicial system, to restore parental rights, and to shield old-school disciplinarians from child abuse charges. “What’s happening is there are some children that are very defiant and they’re not minding their parents, they’re not minding school personnel,” Finney said. Even with “a small amount of a bruise, a parent could still be charged with child abuse when it wasn’t anything serious.”

However....

Children who are spanked may feel depressed and devalued, and their sense of self-worth can suffer. Harsh punishments can wind up backfiring because they can foster lying in children who are desperate to avoid being spanked. Later in life, physical punishment is linked to mental-health problems including depression, anxiety and drug and alcohol use. There’s neuroimaging evidence that physical punishment may alter parts of the brain involved in performance on IQ tests and up the likelihood of substance abuse. And there’s also early data that spanking could affect areas of the brain involved in emotion and stress regulation.

Comments?

 

[Quintessence]

[sarcasm]Well, of course they should pass this law, because gods know that role-modeling violent responses to solve problems is a fantastic idea![/sarcasm]

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Pure regression and abuse. I know that if I had a kid in school and a faculty member put their hands on my child, I'd beat them silly. They should be staffing therapists in schools to help the troubled children, not violent teachers.

 

[psychoslice]

Flog the crap out of them I say, ever since they stop doing this the world has grown worse than ever.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Flog the crap out of them I say, ever since they stop doing this the world has grown worse than ever.

Yeah, beat the crap out of kids! Fill them with pain and terror! Help contribute to the next generation of violent and disturbed wrecks today! (That is, if they survive the "flogging" session. Many don't.)

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Kansas Spanking Bill.

A new bill proposed by a Democrat State Legislator would allow kids to be more harshly spanked in Kansas schools. The bill would protect school employees who struck kids hard enough to cause redness or discoloration. Apparently, discoloration means bruising.



However....



Comments?

This bill needs to be struck down....and she should be spanked by nuns with wooden paddles full of holes for offering such a ridiculous bill.

 

[Sunstone]

Look on the bright side: If this bill passes, think of all the high school kids who'll get to be spanked by the teacher they have crushes on! The "K" in Kansas might someday come to stand for "Kinky".

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Look on the bright side: If this bill passes, think of all the high school kids who'll get to be spanked by the teacher they have crushes on! The "K" in Kansas might someday come to stand for "Kinky".

Very poor taste.

 

[Sunstone]

Very poor taste.

At your service....

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I don't think corporal punishment in schools is compatible with the general, contemporary parenting philosophy of constantly blowing smoke up your kids butts ands sheltering them from anything which is even vaguely uncomfortable.

 

[freethinker44]

Flog the crap out of them I say, ever since they stop doing this the world has grown worse than ever.

Exactly, it's way worse now without slavery, the dark ages, the crusades, the Holocaust, serfdom, colonialism. Yeah, definitely worse off now.

 

[Falvlun]

I don't think that spanking is the big bad wolf of parenting that it is made out to be, though it is probably a tool that must be used with considerable restraint and balance. Corporal punishment in schools does give me the creeps though. Not sure why I find a difference. I also don't think that bruising should be allowed-- that seems like it would be a big red flag.

 

[esmith]

Back in the 50's I attended school in Kansas. 7-12 grades were located in the high school. Swats were given to both sexes by teachers of both sexes. We kids had no problems with it, at least I didn't and received my fair share. Of course back then it was authority was right. No big deal.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Where I went to middle school in Ohio in the late 80's they had swatting as an option you could take in lieu of detention if your parent signed off on it. Personally, I was glad, as I would rather get a couple of swats than sit in detention for an hour after school. Overall, for many of us boys it was kind of a joke. And, not that I was a troublemaker at all, but many teachers would assign you detention for missing homework or being late for class, which nearly everyone does on occassion.

 

[psychoslice]

Exactly, it's way worse now without slavery, the dark ages, the crusades, the Holocaust, serfdom, colonialism. Yeah, definitely worse off now.

You said those thing not me, don't be so neurotic about it.

 

[psychoslice]

Yeah, beat the crap out of kids! Fill them with pain and terror! Help contribute to the next generation of violent and disturbed wrecks today! (That is, if they survive the "flogging" session. Many don't.)

Don't be silly, it was done in my days and most kids turned out really good, the trouble with the generation today is that their too weak to take punishment., they have to blame everyone else except themselves.

 

[Quintessence]

Don't be silly, it was done in my days and most kids turned out really good, the trouble with the generation today is that their too weak to take punishment., they have to blame everyone else except themselves.

Okay. At this point I'm going to have to do that thing that I sometimes do:

Evidence, please?

(and no, I don't mean anecdotes, I mean an actual statistical comparison of metrics across accepted generational brackets done by a reputable research center)

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Don't be silly, it was done in my days and most kids turned out really good, the trouble with the generation today is that their too weak to take punishment., they have to blame everyone else except themselves.

Seeing as your generation is the one that's in power right now, I'd say you're dead wrong. I was beaten as a child and I am not happy at all about that. I remember being hit with belts, cords, shoes, being hit in the face and getting a nosebleed from it and I remember the fear and pain it made me feel. Some say that there's a difference between that and spanking, but where is the line to be drawn? How young is too young for a kid to be hit? How much force should you whack them with? You yourself said "flog" - what the hell do you mean by that?

It's abuse and neglect that causes troubled kids with behavioral problems, not a lack of a "good flogging" (wtf). In fact, it's often that sort of physical abuse that produces screwed up people. If you teach children that violence is a way to solve problems, they'll take it heart. But if you teach children to resolve issues by non-violent means, they will take that to heart, as well. Psychology and child welfare agrees with me. Who agrees with you? Religious loons and child abusers. Check your stance.

 

[Sunstone]

I'll go with the science on this one. Corporeal punishment doesn't seem to have much merit apart from allowing parents and teachers to delude themselves into thinking they're doing something positive.

 

[Quintessence]

I'll go with the science on this one. Corporeal punishment doesn't seem to have much merit apart from allowing parents and teachers to delude themselves into thinking they're doing something positive.

In some cases, that might be giving them too much credit. Assuming your typical human being doesn't regard violent behavior as a virtue, a mother who screams and swears at her child to get her to obey - or who physically strikes the child - is, in my mind, demonstrating some pretty strong character flaws. They can't figure out a more sophisticated or virtuous way of responding at the time and default to what is a pretty common human response to adversity: with chest-beating and dominance displays (that are, sometimes, violent ones).