Spanking Kids in Kansas

[psychoslice]

Seeing as your generation is the one that's in power right now, I'd say you're dead wrong. I was beaten as a child and I am not happy at all about that. I remember being hit with belts, cords, shoes, being hit in the face and getting a nosebleed from it and I remember the fear and pain it made me feel. Some say that there's a difference between that and spanking, but where is the line to be drawn? How young is too young for a kid to be hit? How much force should you whack them with? You yourself said "flog" - what the hell do you mean by that?

It's abuse and neglect that causes troubled kids with behavioral problems, not a lack of a "good flogging" (wtf). In fact, it's often that sort of physical abuse that produces screwed up people. If you teach children that violence is a way to solve problems, they'll take it heart. But if you teach children to resolve issues by non-violent means, they will take that to heart, as well. Psychology and child welfare agrees with me. Who agrees with you? Religious loons and child abusers. Check your stance.

But I am not talking about beating a kid to death, just a slap on the bum, or a few hits at school with the cane. All this time out crap just hasn't worked, and because of no discipline kids are becoming more manipulate, their very good at it. I predict that in the near future, parents will be actually killing their kids more often, because they being a generation of manipulative nature, will not be able to handle the generation that they caused.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

But I am not talking about beating a kid to death, just a slap on the bum, or a few hits at school with the cane. All this time out crap just hasn't worked, and because of no discipline kids are becoming more manipulate, their very good at it. I predict that in the near future, parents will be actually killing their kids more often, because they being a generation of manipulative nature, will not be able to handle the generation that they caused.

A cane? You support caning kids? I remember when that American got into trouble in an Asian country (I forgot which) and was sentenced to caning, people were decrying it as a human rights abuse. But you want that in schools.

What do you mean that kids are becoming more manipulative? Don't you think the real problem here is poor parenting skills and not the kid? Yes, that's the real issue here. If a child has a real behavioral issue, hitting them isn't going to work. You obviously know nothing about child psychology.

I see new reports of parents and guardians killing their kid(s) and seriously injuring them almost everyday. Many kids have been killed from spankings and other forms of corporal punishment.

Please present some scientific evidence that corporal punishment is a good thing for kids. (Good luck, anyway. There really isn't any.)

 

[methylatedghosts]

*whack*
Stop that!
*whack*
Stop hitting the other kids
*whack*
This is what you get for hitting others
*whack*



Yeah... Makes prefect sense...

 

[YmirGF]

With all the problems in Kansas, this is the best thing that this representative can come up with? How sad! And she is a Democrat, no less...

 

[YmirGF]

*whack*
Stop that!
*whack*
Stop hitting the other kids
*whack*
This is what you get for hitting others
*whack*



Yeah... Makes prefect sense...

A little S&M never hurt anyone... no wait... that's the point of S&M -- to hurt.... *sigh*

 

[Valjean]

Does the Bill allow a similar punishment to be visited on the teachers, should they misbehave?
It would seem only fair...

 

[averageJOE]

But I am not talking about beating a kid to death, just a slap on the bum, or a few hits at school with the cane. All this time out crap just hasn't worked, and because of no discipline kids are becoming more manipulate, their very good at it. I predict that in the near future, parents will be actually killing their kids more often, because they being a generation of manipulative nature, will not be able to handle the generation that they caused.

Does the Bill allow a similar punishment to be visited on the teachers, should they misbehave?
It would seem only fair...

Right. If I found my kid was "swat" for a reason I didn't agree with can I give the teacher a few hits with a cane? What about to the rest of the public, could I hit them too? Will spouses be allowed to hit each other with a cane as well?

 

[psychoslice]

A cane? You support caning kids? I remember when that American got into trouble in an Asian country (I forgot which) and was sentenced to caning, people were decrying it as a human rights abuse. But you want that in schools.

What do you mean that kids are becoming more manipulative? Don't you think the real problem here is poor parenting skills and not the kid? Yes, that's the real issue here. If a child has a real behavioral issue, hitting them isn't going to work. You obviously know nothing about child psychology.

I see new reports of parents and guardians killing their kid(s) and seriously injuring them almost everyday. Many kids have been killed from spankings and other forms of corporal punishment.

Please present some scientific evidence that corporal punishment is a good thing for kids. (Good luck, anyway. There really isn't any.)

Of course it bad parenting, that's because each parent is declining in what should be, its that simple.

 

[psychoslice]

Right. If I found my kid was "swat" for a reason I didn't agree with can I give the teacher a few hits with a cane? What about to the rest of the public, could I hit them too? Will spouses be allowed to hit each other with a cane as well?

Yes if the rest of the public needs a good hit, then yes hit them, it might wake then up.

 

[psychoslice]

A cane? You support caning kids? I remember when that American got into trouble in an Asian country (I forgot which) and was sentenced to caning, people were decrying it as a human rights abuse. But you want that in schools.

What do you mean that kids are becoming more manipulative? Don't you think the real problem here is poor parenting skills and not the kid? Yes, that's the real issue here. If a child has a real behavioral issue, hitting them isn't going to work. You obviously know nothing about child psychology.

I see new reports of parents and guardians killing their kid(s) and seriously injuring them almost everyday. Many kids have been killed from spankings and other forms of corporal punishment.

Please present some scientific evidence that corporal punishment is a good thing for kids. (Good luck, anyway. There really isn't any.)

Well lest see more of it happening, it might bring us back too civilisation.

 

[methylatedghosts]

I worry for the kids of parents who feel that hitting is a good form of discipline. It is totally unnecessary. Words are by far more effective if emulating the behaviours you'd like to see hadn't worked

Edit: If you're at the point where you're hitting others, you're already failing as a parent

 

[methylatedghosts]

Well lest see more of it happening, it might bring us back too civilisation.

I fail to see how violence is civilised

 

[HonestJoe]

Yes if the rest of the public needs a good hit, then yes hit them, it might wake then up.

I see a cognitive issue with your statements supporting corporal punishment. You keep using the word "them" rather than the word "us".

 

[MysticSang'ha]

For the record, I didn't spank my kids. Never was a part of my parenting philosophy. Wanna hear me brag about my kiddos?

 

[Enai de a lukal]

Don't be silly, it was done in my days and most kids turned out really good, the trouble with the generation today is that their too weak to take punishment., they have to blame everyone else except themselves.

Maybe it isn't as bad as some people make it out to be, but here's a fact: it isn't a very effective means of behavior management. It's just sort of pointless, this is pretty basic psychology here. Here's what Kansas educators need to decide: do they want an effective means of reinforcing and encouraging desirable behavior and eliminating undesirable behavior? Or do they want to institute corporal punishment? Sort of have to choose, because they cannot do both; corporal punishment simply doesn't work very well. OK, I suppose, if your goal is simply to whack some children, blow off some steam, but if you expect to actually accomplish anything, you need to find another method.

 

[Father Heathen]

Sometimes snot-nosed brats need a good spanking.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Sometimes snot-nosed brats need a good spanking.

Yep....spanking one's own I agree with. I would have an issue if someone put their hands on mine.

 

[Enai de a lukal]

Yep....spanking one's own I agree with. I would have an issue if someone put their hands on mine.

Amen to that. You lay your hands on my child, regardless of how good you think your reason, you and I are going to have ourselves a dance.

 

[BSM1]

Back in the 50's I attended school in Kansas. 7-12 grades were located in the high school. Swats were given to both sexes by teachers of both sexes. We kids had no problems with it, at least I didn't and received my fair share. Of course back then it was authority was right. No big deal.

I, too, attended school when corporal punishment (with wooden paddles) was the norm. I've seen big male teachers bend 7th and 8th grade girls over a chair and actually lift them off the floor with a paddle lick. Their crime? They made less than a 70 on a test. I agree with the poster above, if you lay a hand on my child we're dancing. If a kid does something that requires that much pain then the parents or the authorities should be called in.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Well lest see more of it happening, it might bring us back too civilisation.

Yes if the rest of the public needs a good hit, then yes hit them, it might wake then up.

Of course it bad parenting, that's because each parent is declining in what should be, its that simple.

I don't see any scientific evidence supporting your views being presented. You were asked for that twice. In fact, no one has offered any proof that hitting kids is a positive thing. All I see is "in my day..." and "snot-nosed brats need a spanking". Sorry, but that doesn't work. Back up your claims or don't bother.