Spanking Kids in Kansas

[psychoslice]

I disagree, and I don't live under a rock.

Here's the thing: "Discipline" does not necessarily equate to "physical punishment." There are many many numerous ways to discipline without punishment, and I utilize them often.

I only use the whip on those who have given clear and informed consent for me to do so.

Na, they tried all that, just didn't work, time out lol.

 

[Enai de a lukal]

The thing is since they have taken discipline away kids the world is getting worse than ever, you would have to be living under a rock not to see that.

This is purely subjective and highly doubtful. And research shows that other means of "discipline" are in fact more effective than corporal punishment. There really isn't much to be said here; corporal punishment is of questionable morality, and it just doesn't work anyways- that's pretty much the end of the story.

 

[psychoslice]

This is purely subjective and highly doubtful. And research shows that other means of "discipline" are in fact more effective than corporal punishment. There really isn't much to be said here; corporal punishment is of questionable morality, and it just doesn't work anyways- that's pretty much the end of the story.

The reason it probably wont work anymore is because they took it away, this produced a generation that blames everything else for their behaviour, if we brought back corporal punishment, it would seem to be violence to the generations that never had it, this is where they stuffed up everything by taking it away.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Na, they tried all that, just didn't work, time out lol.

Who is "they"?

If you hadn't read it before, I'll restate....I've raised four children and have taught at all age levels from pre-school up to adulthood and into nursing homes for over 25 years. I feel confident in my ability to be in charge of a room full of kids.

In fact, I'm in charge of an entire studio of over 100 kids who take classes. So, I will submit my own experience as well as the studies that Sunstone provided earlier as evidence that physical punishment is most often ineffective but likely sometimes counter-productive.

What evidence do you have to support your conclusion? And again, who is "they"?

 

[psychoslice]

Who is "they"?

If you hadn't read it before, I'll restate....I've raised four children and have taught at all age levels from pre-school up to adulthood and into nursing homes for over 25 years. I feel confident in my ability to be in charge of a room full of kids.

In fact, I'm in charge of an entire studio of over 100 kids who take classes. So, I will submit my own experience as well as the studies that Sunstone provided earlier as evidence that physical punishment is most often ineffective but likely sometimes counter-productive.

What evidence do you have to support your conclusion? And again, who is "they"?

All I know is what I see, and that is what I share, if you don't like it then I cannot help that, I have my right as you do to believe what is best.

 

[averageJOE]

Well of course your wife is a grown up she should know better, if you don't like what she does well leave her, but don't hit her. The thing is since they have taken discipline away kids the world is getting worse than ever, you would have to be living under a rock not to see that.

And the child should know better, right? That's why you would hit them. You have still yet to explain the difference.

 

[Enai de a lukal]

The reason it probably wont work anymore is because they took it away, this produced a generation that blames everything else for their behaviour, if we brought back corporal punishment, it would seem to be violence to the generations that never had it, this is where they stuffed up everything by taking it away.

This is getting a little silly; you're doing some serious logical gymnastics to avoid admitting what is patently the case- corporal punishment just doesn't work very well. That's great that people used it when you were younger (well, not really), and maybe you were OK with it (one of the few), and maybe you even managed to learn something from it. But the fact is that the evidence is clear; the way human psychology works responds better to different modes of behavior modification and education. Corporal punishment just isn't a very good way to teach someone something- not this generation, not last generation, not any generation you care to pick.

 

[Enai de a lukal]

I have my right as you do to believe what is best.

Sure. But what you believe is of questionable moral quality, and is contradicted by virtually all the evidence there is. It's like creationism, only more icky. If that's cool with you, then OK. But if you are more on the conscientious and rational side, this should concern you and you should perhaps do some more thinking on the matter.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I only use the whip on those who have given clear and informed consent for me to do so.

I consent, Mistress. I've been a very naughty boy.

 

[Drolefille]

Pure regression and abuse. I know that if I had a kid in school and a faculty member put their hands on my child, I'd beat them silly. They should be staffing therapists in schools to help the troubled children, not violent teachers.

This is more ironic than anything Alanis Morissette ever sang.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

All I know is what I see, and that is what I share, if you don't like it then I cannot help that, I have my right as you do to believe what is best.

That isn't what I asked.

Who is "they"? And what evidence do you have that led you to your conclusion?

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I consent, Mistress. I've been a very naughty boy.

Indeed you have.

I'll be sure to surprise you in the Eros Room soon enough...

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

This is more ironic than anything Alanis Morissette ever sang.

Yes, I know.

 

[dust1n]

Attempting to have powered me and paddled me in high school would have certainly led to a violent reaction on my own behalf. No one is going to touch me without me coming back immediately.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Attempting to have powered me and paddled me in high school would have certainly led to a violent reaction on my own behalf. No one is going to touch me without me coming back immediately.

Of course. It's a natural reaction to seek to defend yourself against violent assault.

 

[psychoslice]

And the child should know better, right? That's why you would hit them. You have still yet to explain the difference.

I'm sure you can work that out for yourself, whatever I say your not going to agree, so why should I was my time.

 

[psychoslice]

This is getting a little silly; you're doing some serious logical gymnastics to avoid admitting what is patently the case- corporal punishment just doesn't work very well. That's great that people used it when you were younger (well, not really), and maybe you were OK with it (one of the few), and maybe you even managed to learn something from it. But the fact is that the evidence is clear; the way human psychology works responds better to different modes of behavior modification and education. Corporal punishment just isn't a very good way to teach someone something- not this generation, not last generation, not any generation you care to pick.

That is how you see it, I simply see it differently.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Indeed you have.

I'll be sure to surprise you in the Eros Room soon enough...

Oh, yeah? That's a promise I'll have to hold you to. I'm badly in need of behavioral correction.

 

[psychoslice]

That isn't what I asked.

Who is "they"? And what evidence do you have that led you to your conclusion?

They are the people who agree with me, if you want numbers then Google it for yourself.

 

[Enai de a lukal]

That is how you see it

Yes, because that is what the empirical evidence suggests. I tend to trust evidence and research rather than personal anecdotes and folk psychology.

I simply see it differently.

Right; in the same manner the creationist "sees things differently"- by simply ignoring inconvenient evidence.

The only real function of corporal punishment, at the end of the day, is getting your rocks off by smacking a child- they certainly aren't getting any benefit from it.