Speaking of Cats..Declawing Issue..

[dawny0826]

So what many aren't.

I don't eat meat and haven't for several years.

Then don't worry about it ..I will....Dont tell ME whats better that I worry about..That's none of your business .

Go laugh then...Laugh away...

I will continue along with many to not laugh....And find this practice barbaric and eventually it will be illegal....and you can keep laughing..

First, I wasn't addressing you, specifically. So, If I've offended you in anyway, you're internalizing general comments that were intended for anyone on this thread, not you in particular.

Second, I'm entitled to an opinion.

Regardless as to my opinion, I've already stated that my cats are not declawed and will not be declawed, as I agreed not to do so. I would not have declawed anyway, as I consider it unfair to declaw cats who co-habitate with other animals. They deserve to keep their natural defenses in tact, in my opinion.

But, I don't consider those that I've known who have had their cats declawed to be cruel, barbaric people. They were awesome cat owners and these cats were indoor animals, not exposed to other animals. Had they been indoor/outdoor cats or had there been any other animals in the house, I would have felt declawing to be unfair.

Unfair, yes. Barbaric, no. That's my opinion.

 

[DallasApple]

But, I don't consider those that I've known who have had their cats declawed to be cruel, barbaric people. T

I don't care what you think.You obviously haven't read my thread.If you still think its OK to cut off a cats toes to protect your furniture then fine..I consider you cruel and barbaric .If you don't like that I think that then don't talk to me..

BA BYE!

 

[dawny0826]

I don't care what you think.You obviously haven't read my thread.If you still think its OK to cut off a cats toes to protect your furniture then fine..I consider you cruel and barbaric .If you don't like that I think that then don't talk to me..

BA BYE!

I have read your thread and I stated an opinion, which I didn't direct towards you, specifically and didn't intend in offense.

My cats have their claws and though it's a pain in the rear to keep them trimmed and I often wish they didn't have them, I wouldn't consider having them declawed, even if I hadn't signed a contract, because I value their ability to protect themselves.

Obviously, I don't think it's okay to have cats declawed. But, my reasons for not doing so are different than yours. I don't consider it a barbaric practice. I consider it an unfair practice.

Would you feel better if I called you a barbarian for the mistakes that you feel you made in regards to your cats? I find that notion asinine. As a pet owner, you do and did what you feel is best for your animals. I don't believe that people who do things out of love for their pets, in what they believe to be their pets' best interests are barbaric people.

I'm sorry if this offends you somehow. I'm bowing out.

 

[Father Heathen]

Its not "knee jerk" its the truth...have your fingers cut off...then say you have the same advantages as if you hadn't..

Again:

By that logic we shouldn't own any pets, considering we ourselves would never want to be spayed or neutered, be put on a tether or leash, kept in a cage or pin, eat or drink out of a dish on the floor, or be subjected to anything else that we subject our pets to.

If I were a cat, and the procedure was done under anesthesia while I was a kitten, I wouldn't remember or know the difference, anyway.

 

[Father Heathen]

I don't care what you think.You obviously haven't read my thread.If you still think its OK to cut off a cats toes to protect your furniture then fine..I consider you cruel and barbaric .If you don't like that I think that then don't talk to me..

BA BYE!

 

[DallasApple]

A Cat Fight Over Declawing - Page 1 - News - Dallas - Dallas Observer

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Again:



If I were a cat, and the procedure was done under anesthesia while I was a kitten, I wouldn't remember or know the difference, anyway.

Then how about we fully remove your penis, testicles, and scrotum? Psychologically, I think the damage would be similar. A cat needs their claws for defense, for their place in a cat's society, and what high rank bad-*** tom cat has that without his claws? A guy needs his penis not only for reproduction, but just about every guy needs it and his balls to feel like a guy.
So because declawing takes away a very important part of being a cat away from a cat, would you agree to cat owners who declaw them to be forced to undergo a dual mastectomy/total penectomy and orchidectomy as our sexual organs are often a very important part of who we identify as?

 

[Father Heathen]

Then how about we fully remove your penis, testicles, and scrotum? Psychologically, I think the damage would be similar. A cat needs their claws for defense, for their place in a cat's society, and what high rank bad-*** tom cat has that without his claws? A guy needs his penis not only for reproduction, but just about every guy needs it and his balls to feel like a guy.
So because declawing takes away a very important part of being a cat away from a cat, would you agree to cat owners who declaw them to be forced to undergo a dual mastectomy/total penectomy and orchidectomy as our sexual organs are often a very important part of who we identify as?

Yes, let the melodrama flow through you.

 

[DallasApple]

If I were a cat, and the procedure was done under anesthesia while I was a kitten, I wouldn't remember or know the difference, anyway.

You would know your CLAWS were gone when you woke up and for the rest of your life.You would know you can not climb..you would know you have no claws to defend your self.You would know if years later claws were growing under your skin and you were in agonizing pain every day.Or that you had arthritis in what is left of your paws and every step was painful.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yes, let the melodrama flow through you.

I think the comparison is valid. A cat physically, socially, and psychologically needs her claws. A human man physically, socially, and psychologically needs his penis. Men who loose theirs are often quite traumatized. Cats who loose their claws are often quite traumatized.

 

[freethinker44]

Praise!!!!..I cut my cats toe nails (with the help of my husband) he scruffs I clip.I squeeze the nail out and just clip the sharpy point.Like the thorn of a rose..But it doesn't take ten seconds LOL>>more like 5 minutes.. and they fight...

Anyway we cut Kato and Tokis nails regularly (about every 6 weeks)

And they have a 7ft tower to climb (and scratch) and another 5ft along with several other scratching post..

Cutting their nails though? Swear to god I wish I could shoot them with a dart.

You should try that with a 100 pound dog. I wish it only took 5 minutes to clip their nails.

 

[DallasApple]

You should try that with a 100 pound dog. I wish it only took 5 minutes to clip their nails.

I tried it with a 130 lb dog.

But you would be surprised speaking of claws (as sharp as thorns on a rose bush) how much damage can be done or what a struggle 5 minutes is with a cat.An 11 lb solid muscle acrobatic cat.At the vet even it took two people.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I tried it with a 130 lb dog.

But you would be surprised speaking of claws (as sharp as thorns on a rose bush) how much damage can be done or what a struggle 5 minutes is with a cat.An 11 lb solid muscle acrobatic cat.At the vet even it took two people.

I have used my experience from grappling and wrestling to come up with a hold specifically to hold a cat down while trimming their nails. I imagine the pressure is probably slightly uncomfortable for them, but not nearly as bad as it would be for both of us from a struggle. The main idea of the hold is to put the equivalent of their hips over your upper leg, lean over the cat and use your armpit of gently press down on the cat a little above the base of their tail, while also using your upper arm to hold the legs together. This will make their hind legs stick out, and if your hold is strong enough they will struggle but not get anywhere. With the hand of the same arm, reach the cats chest and use your fingers to gentle push the cats legs by pressing upwards towards the chest. You must also make sure your hand is not high enough to get bitten, and not high enough to choke your cat. Next pet your cat with your free hand, lean your chest over the rest of the body of the cat, and firmly hold the cat in place and trim the nails with your free hand.
And then there is my black cat. All you have to do is hold her and listen to her growls of protest. But for all the growls, she doesn't put up a fight at all.

 

[DallasApple]

I have used my experience from grappling and wrestling to come up with a hold specifically to hold a cat down while trimming their nails. I imagine the pressure is probably slightly uncomfortable for them, but not nearly as bad as it would be for both of us from a struggle. The main idea of the hold is to put the equivalent of their hips over your upper leg, lean over the cat and use your armpit of gently press down on the cat a little above the base of their tail, while also using your upper arm to hold the legs together. This will make their hind legs stick out, and if your hold is strong enough they will struggle but not get anywhere. With the hand of the same arm, reach the cats chest and use your fingers to gentle push the cats legs by pressing upwards towards the chest. You must also make sure your hand is not high enough to get bitten, and not high enough to choke your cat. Next pet your cat with your free hand, lean your chest over the rest of the body of the cat, and firmly hold the cat in place and trim the nails with your free hand.
And then there is my black cat. All you have to do is hold her and listen to her growls of protest. But for all the growls, she doesn't put up a fight at all.

But I need two hands to trim the nails.They are retracted.I have to use one hand on the skin around the nail back and force the claw out while with the other hand I clip the claw.KWIM?

How we do it is my husband scruffs by the neck with one hand and with his other hand under his belly back towards his hip area and he elongates him/stretches him out ..and he holds him up in the air so he can get not "traction" in any way or have any object to try and kick off on.This is how they did it at the vet..When he little and more sweet..LOL>>>I could sneak and do it ..even a couple at a time while he slept in my lap...those were the good ole days..

 

[ScottySatan]

I find that claws are still pretty sharp after clipping them; sharp enough to tear up furniture. We use a spray that has lemongrass in it. Spray the corners of the furniture, and they don't scratch it. you have to re-apply every week or so. It's pretty effective and doesn't make the furniture stink or anything.

You can also put vinyl caps on the claws. It's much more humane, and they can still climb. You do have to have them redone every few months. Has anyone here tried that?
Soft Claws / Soft Paws Nail Caps for Cats - only $13.99

I don't see why landlords can't just include a clause in the lease that says that the occupant has to be financially liable for any damage done by a pet (aren't we already liable by law anyway?). If it's an unfurnished place, what do they think a cat is going to do to their property anyway, besides pee on the floor? Hell, people pee on the floor.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I find that claws are still pretty sharp after clipping them; sharp enough to tear up furniture. We use a spray that has lemongrass in it. Spray the corners of the furniture, and they don't scratch it. you have to re-apply every week or so. It's pretty effective and doesn't make the furniture stink or anything.

You can also put vinyl caps on the claws. It's much more humane, and they can still climb. You do have to have them redone every few months. Has anyone here tried that?
Soft Claws / Soft Paws Nail Caps for Cats - only $13.99

I don't see why landlords can't just include a clause in the lease that says that the occupant has to be financially liable for any damage done by a pet (aren't we already liable by law anyway?). If it's an unfurnished place, what do they think a cat is going to do to their property anyway, besides pee on the floor? Hell, people pee on the floor.

I tried a similar spray, and my cats had a look of defiance as they could tell something was up but they ignored it anyways. But one of my cats, that one I mentioned above who growls over her nails being cut, if you even use a squirt bottle on her she will just hold her grounds and not give in.
I've also not heard of those caps. Wouldn't be good for mine, but they may be ideal compromise for indoor city cats.