samtonga43
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Exactly. So when you said, "It (the thread) is about the POA", you were mistaken. You got there at last!
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Special Pleading and the PoE (Part 2)
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Trailblazer
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I must have made a typo, I make lots of those.
samtonga43
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Oh yes, we know this. However, one would expect you would realize your error after re-reading.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I don't have time to go back and reread posts. I admitted I made a mistake, why isn't that enough?
I just went back and corrected my typo, as if anyone cares.
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samtonga43
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samtonga43
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You said you had read it twice. Make up your mind.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Why are you bringing that here? I was intending to get back to your posts as soon as I had time. I saved all four Alerts in a Word document so I would not forget.
Baha'u'llah never said He was God. That is calumny posted on websites by Muslims who seek to discredit Baha'u'llah and it is not in any official translations of the Baha'i Writings, not unless you can find it there.
I see you provided no links to these alleged writings of Baha'u'llah. Where did you find them? It is not my job to track them down because I did not post them
From the official translation of the tablets of Baha'u'llah:
“Certain ones among you have said: “He it is Who hath laid claim to be God.” By God! This is a gross calumny. I am but a servant of God Who hath believed in Him and in His signs, and in His Prophets and in His angels. My tongue, and My heart, and My inner and My outer being testify that there is no God but Him, that all others have been created by His behest, and been fashioned through the operation of His Will. There is none other God but Him, the Creator, the Raiser from the dead, the Quickener, the Slayer. I am He that telleth abroad the favors with which God hath, through His bounty, favored Me. If this be My transgression, then I am truly the first of the transgressors. I and My kindred are at your mercy. Do ye as ye please, and be not of them that hesitate, that I might return to God My Lord, and reach the place where I can no longer behold your faces. This, indeed, is My dearest wish, My most ardent desire. Of My state God is, verily, sufficiently informed, observant.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 228
I love that pare at the end where Baha'u'llah wrote: "Do ye as ye please, and be not of them that hesitate, that I might return to God My Lord, and reach the place where I can no longer behold your faces." He was referring to the faces of those people who hurl calumnies at Him.
In the following passage Baha’u’llah compared the calumnies that were hurled at Muhammad in His Day to the calumnies that had been hurled at Him. Baha'u'llah has never been one to mince words.
What befell Muhammad and Baha'u'llah is really no different than what befell Jesus at the hands of the Jewish divines in Jesus' Day.
“Behold how the sovereignty of Muḥammad, the Messenger of God, is today apparent and manifest amongst the people. You are well aware of what befell His Faith in the early days of His Dispensation. What woeful sufferings did the hand of the infidel and erring, the divines of that age and their associates, inflict upon that spiritual Essence, that most pure and holy Being! How abundant the thorns and briars which they have strewn over His path! It is evident that that wretched generation, in their wicked and satanic fancy, regarded every injury to that immortal Being as a means to the attainment of an abiding felicity; inasmuch as the recognized divines of that age, such as ‘Abdu’lláh-i-Ubayy, Abú’Amír, the hermit, Ka’b-ibn-i-Ashraf, and Nadr-ibn-i-Hárith, all treated Him as an impostor, and pronounced Him a lunatic and a calumniator. Such sore accusations they brought against Him that in recounting them God forbiddeth the ink to flow, Our pen to move, or the page to bear them. These malicious imputations provoked the people to arise and torment Him. And how fierce that torment, if the divines of the age be its chief instigators, if they denounce Him to their followers, cast Him out from their midst, and declare Him a miscreant! Hath not the same befallen this Servant, and been witnessed by all?” Gleanings. pp.24-25
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Trailblazer
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I did read it twice, but I did not catch it THEN. That was then and now is now. Today I said "I don't have time to go back and reread posts" and I was referring to not having time TODAY. But I just went back and corrected where I said POA instead of PoE in two places. Funny thing, it was not even noticed by the person I posted it to as I am sure he knew what I meant IN CONTEXT.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Actually I did catch it as my own error, and pointed out how it stands as evidence you don't really read what I write. As does this.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I do not always read everything you write, only what I intend to respond to. If it is something that I have heard before and/or something I am not interested in I skim over it... Want to put me in RF jail?
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
No, your admission of poor form and careless reading is enough, thanks.
samtonga43
Well-Known Member
"There is no God but me the lonely, the imprisoned." (Baha’u’llah, Athar-i Qalam-i A`la, vol. 1, no. 39, p. 226.)
"All Gods became Gods from the flow of my affairs and all Lords became Lords by the overflowing of my decree” (Abdu’l-Baha, Makatib , vol. 2, p. 255 [citing Baha'u'llah])
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Those are not from any official translations of the Writings of Baha'u'llah.
Where are the links? What you posted are not links to where you found these quotes.
Do you want me to read what Jesus said in the New Testament and translate it myself and then post it here as the Words of Jesus. That is what you are doing.
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Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I have no problem admitting I made a mistake because I have no false pride.
I (don't) wonder why you are thanking me for that, I have an MA in psychology...
I also have the Baha'i Writings to guide my path.
26: O SON OF BEING! How couldst thou forget thine own faults and busy thyself with the faults of others? Whoso doeth this is accursed of Me. The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 10
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Both of them are in the Baha'i Online Library, compiled by a Baha'i historian named Dr. Ahang Rabbani. That's pretty official.
And you might want to take your own proselytizing to heart, as you have accused us all of faults many times.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
No, it is not official at all. All the official Baha'i Writings are in one place here:
Baha’i Reference Library online
I never accused you of anything, I only ever said I consider you childish. Anyone who expects the Almighty God who is the Creator of the entire universe to hop to and do it their way instead of His way I consider childish.
P.S. I did not bring those 'alleged' quotes of Baha'u'llah to this thread. samtoinga43 brought them over from another thread. I will defend my religion when it is attacked and that is not proselytizing, it is what Baha'u'lalh enjoined me to do.
“It is incumbent upon all men, each according to his ability, to refute the arguments of those that have attacked the Faith of God. Thus hath it been decreed by Him Who is the All-Powerful, the Almighty.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 329
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Do you know what the Athar-i-Qalam-i-A'la are? They are letters written by Baha'u'llah. In other words: right from the source.
Oh, not only that. There's also your obsession with crying fallacies, despite evidence showing quite the opposite.
An adult would realize that some things warrant not saying. Just letting go. Especially because it's in the site rules. However, it stands to state again that I expect no such thing of your god, and we're discussing a theological problem. Any "expectations" are entirely within the confines of this theological issue. Now, are you going to learn and apply this too, or ignore like before?
Giving absolutely irrelevant quotes from your scripture to "get one over" on me are. Once more and I'm just going to start reporting it; enough is enough.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Sorry but no. Do you believe everything that is posted on the internet?
Cut/paste, gone. It's so easy. I am not reading any more of your criticisms because I don't have to.
Go ahead and report it, but you'll also have to report all the Christians who quote from the Bible.
My quotes are not irrelevant, they are very much related to what was in your posts to me.
I do not want to discuss any theological issues with you, do you understand?
I would prefer that you do not post to me anymore, because there is nothing more to be said.
I will not post to you again either and that will take care of the problem.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Not sorry, but yes. As maintained and given by a prolific Baha'i historian and translator, Dr. Ahang Rabbani (as given to you), kept in the Iran National Baha'i Archives. Yet again, the evidence - the facts - are right there in front of you, and you blithely deny them because they challenge your beliefs.
Good; the repetition was getting tiresome.
You assume that I won't.
Some verse about the writings being all you need in relation to my statement on your admission of inaccuracy is not relevant. Learn from this and take it forward.
samtonga43
Well-Known Member
Here is what your fellow Bahai said:
"Baha'u'llah does say that in one sense any Manifestation can call Himself God as He perfectly represents all of God's attributes. He is also God's servant in another sense. In fact he can say He is God because He is God's complete servant."