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Speed of Light and the Age of the Universe

dad

Undefeated
Two things, dad.

Evolution (TOE) isn’t about origin of first life; it is about population of organisms changing genetically over time. In another word, evolution is about biodiversity.

You are still conflating Evolution with Abiogenesis.
The TOE has flatworms and you sharing ancestors! Do you like your kin? Ha. That is about origins. Now the plunge into dark insanity regarding the earliest fantasy origins may not be part of the TOE, (trying to save face!) but so what!?
Second, Evolution isn’t a religion.
It is accepted religiously, and defended and promoted fanatically. The entire basis for all claims it makes are belief based. 100%! So yeah, we can refer to it as either intellectual and spiritual terrorism, or a religion!
Evolution is accepted by majority of biologists, and in Europe, American continents and Australia, many of these biologists, are theists, including Christians.
Not by bible believers, or any of the apostles or prophets or early church etc etc. Ha.
Religion isn’t just about belief in some supreme beings, it is also about worshipping these beings.
Anything man places before God the creator is being worshiped and a god. Evolution demand to be above God! It is the enemy of God.
Are saying all these Christians are worshipping Evolution too?
Yes.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
Not by bible believers, or any of the apostles or prophets or early church etc etc. Ha.
You have missed my points.

I am talking about qualified and working biologists, who are also Christians. I am talking about working biologists of the last 100 years.

These Christians who worked in biology or biology-related fields have accepted as Evolution as fact.

Why would you bring up prophets or apostles? None of them are biologists, and it is quite obvious I was talking about them.

And the other things, is there have only being two prophets who were Christians, John the Baptist and Anna daughter of Penuel. And even Anna, technically she wasn’t a Christian, since Jesus was only a child.

The rest of prophets mentioned in the Bible, weren’t Christians.
 

Astrophile

Active Member
The TOE has flatworms and you sharing ancestors! Do you like your kin? Ha.

According to simple calculations of the number of my ancestors and the mediaeval population of Europe, my most recent common ancestor with Adolf Hitler (1889-1945) was born no earlier than 1200 AD. I think that I should prefer to share ancestors with flatworms.
 

dad

Undefeated
You have missed my points.

I am talking about qualified and working biologists, who are also Christians.
No such thing. They may be believers but not qualified to tell us what nature was like in Noah's day. (if any of those 'christians' even believe in Noah)

I am talking about working biologists of the last 100 years.
None of whom have a clue...so?
These Christians who worked in biology or biology-related fields have accepted as Evolution as fact.
Weak in faith. Those who actually believe in God know He did create it all.
Why would you bring up prophets or apostles? None of them are biologists, and it is quite obvious I was talking about them.
God was with them and spoke to them. Does that count?

And the other things, is there have only being two prophets who were Christians, John the Baptist and Anna daughter of Penuel. And even Anna, technically she wasn’t a Christian, since Jesus was only a child.
The OT ones spoke of the creation. No?
 

dad

Undefeated
According to simple calculations of the number of my ancestors and the mediaeval population of Europe, my most recent common ancestor with Adolf Hitler (1889-1945) was born no earlier than 1200 AD. I think that I should prefer to share ancestors with flatworms.

No problem. You are free to fantasize all you like.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
You are correct, I should have said evidence, and not proof.
And it is evidence thereof.

For natural abiogenesis to happen, there has to be natural processes that produce the building blocks that life is made off. One of these building blocks are aminio acids.

So when Miller Urey's experiment demonstrated that amino acids CAN form naturally, it confirmed at least that small aspect of natural abiogenesis and by doing so, it made the entire thing a little bit more plausible.

Sounds pretty much like evidence to me: something that makes a hypothesis more plausible.
Yep, sounds as evidence allright.

In what universe is something that raises the plausibility of X, not evidence of X?
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Just like I 'caught' Dr."Eve gene" making the same erroneous claims he did here on another forum 3 months ago - and having them demolished there, too, I see no reason to expect this one to be any 'better' of a person.[/QUOTE]
Demolished ? Lets see. The quotation from the teacher publication was accurate. If the date was wrong, it was my error. I checked the authors as NE creationists, and missed one as an OE creationist, my error.

Your harping about the zone is bizarre, I never mentioned him, nor was I referring to him. You assumed, took the hook in your mouth, and ran with it. You then manufactured a set of accusations from your assumption and proudly pimped them. Poor form ´ol boy. I was speaking of the fellow who has a happy little bear as his avatar, and I believe he is an American living in Mexico. You ought to be able to find him without using your imagination, if you choose.

The statements re the textbooks stands. Abiogenesis is stated as the logical and most likely process from which life emerged. It was taught as such when I was in high school and college, a long time ago, nothing has changed, except abiogenesis has by necessity become more difficult than it was then, e.g. DNA information. It hasn´t dampened the enthusiasm for it in the textbooks however.

So, keep patting yourselves on the back, mutual admiration in a tribe is expected.

Ah, so a creationist is not a good person, i.e. "any better of a person." Wow ! Atheist morality in action, I am truly impressed ! I am not so arrogant as to look at your manufactured case of deception and decide what kind of person you are based upon this bit of attempted character assassination.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Not that far on what they call Pangaea!
Now, got any tough ones? This is too easy.

Congratulations. You easily made up and wrote a bunch of words that Ducked and Dodged. You have a lot of practice with that.

Let's recap a little.
I asked: "How far was Australia from Mt Ararat?"
You responded: "Not that far on what they call Pangaea!"

"Not that far"? OK. Then the good folks who had gotten off the arc would have seen Kangaroos and Koalas heading toward that portion of Pangaea and then they should have seen Australia moving away at (at least) 30 miles per hour. If it happened right after the Flood or after Bable you still need to address:
Why did Australia wait for Koalas and Kangaroos to get there before it started moving?
Why did no one see it moving away?
Why did no one write about the most impressive movement of the earth to ever occur.
Why didn't anyone start a new religion worshipping the great god who could make the continents separate? Heck, all Thor ever did was throw a couple of lightning bolts.
Your answer? You didn't give one -Duck and Dodge.

What caused it to move?
Your answer? You didn't give one -Duck and Dodge.

What caused it to stop moving?
Your answer? You didn't give one -Duck and Dodge.

Now, got any tough ones? This is too easy.

All questions are easy if you don't answer them. Maybe you should get in touch with Walt and ask him. Maybe you should read more of Walt's scientific revelations and see if he has answers. On your own, you're not doing too well.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
And it is evidence thereof.

For natural abiogenesis to happen, there has to be natural processes that produce the building blocks that life is made off. One of these building blocks are aminio acids.

So when Miller Urey's experiment demonstrated that amino acids CAN form naturally, it confirmed at least that small aspect of natural abiogenesis and by doing so, it made the entire thing a little bit more plausible.

Sounds pretty much like evidence to me: something that makes a hypothesis more plausible.
Yep, sounds as evidence allright.

In what universe is something that raises the plausibility of X, not evidence of X?
Miller Urey did not show how 9 amino acids, out of 200 required for life, formed naturally. The total experiment was un natural.

According to current understanding, the environment created in the experiment was never an environment on earth.

Miller Urey showed that humans can create amino acids, nothing more.

Amino acids are as far from being life as a bolt is from being a Lamborghini.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Goodness! Are you citing geology? Really? What you wrote makes some sense except for the fact that you believe it happened in one day or one hunderd years.

Exactly. Only the nature that existed when the move happened matters!

Are you under the impression that you will get a Gold Star every time you make nonsensical comments? This isn't your home school and I am not your mommy.

But, here...


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ecco

Veteran Member
I notice that you STILL did not deny that you believe in geocentricity. I will accept that as evidence that you do believe, as the Bible states, that the earth is the center of the universe and everything moves around it...

The Almighty is moving to earth forever. That makes it the center. This universe will pass away one day..literally. So who cares what it looks like now? (as if science could see more than 5% of what is really out there anyhow!)


Thanks for the confirmation...
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ecco

Veteran Member
Once the Rapture happens all that will be left are the unsaved. And in the very end, when He separates the sheep from goats, all that will be judged are the goat nations and folks! All of them. Later still, the evil dead will arise and all of them will also be judged.

Once again, you Duck and Dodge. Why did you ignore the time frame of the prophecy?
Twenty-seven hundred years ago Isaiah wrote "Her time is near to come". 2700 years ago Isaiah prophecized the end of times is near.

2700 years later and nothing has happened.​




You simply do not comprehend what you are reading. Maybe ask God to show you?

Well, it's for sure that you can't show me. Is that because you really don't believe, or just because you are incapable? You can't even address the fact that nothing has happened as prophecized.
 

tas8831

Well-Known Member
Miller Urey did not show how 9 amino acids, out of 200 required for life

We only use 20 amino acids. What is an order of magnitude embellishment amongst creationists, eh?

, formed naturally. The total experiment was un natural.
Please tell us all, oh Master of Science, how experiments should be done? Surely, you have a vast background in scientific research?
According to current understanding, the environment created in the experiment was never an environment on earth.

Links please. Surely, with your extensive research on Miller's and similar experiments, you have come across at least some of the follow-up experiments? Like the one I presented to you earlier in this thread that are apparently dutifully ignoring?
Miller Urey showed that humans can create amino acids, nothing more.
You mean the things that he had hoped to produce? How crazy!
Amino acids are as far from being life as a bolt is from being a Lamborghini.
And dust is as far from life as... dust.

So cool how you are ignoring my replies to you on this. I guess creationist debating tactic #17 is 'When shown to be in error on something, or when asked to present material that you pretended exists, just ignore the post'

Still waiting for you to present this interview with Miller in which he claimed his experiments were failures.... among many other issues...


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Please consider - your usual brow-beating bombast will not work on me.
 
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