Spontaneous Abortions: Murder?

[!Fluffy!]

What? Did I read that correctly?
So lets say, for instance, George Bush was given the power to make any law he wanted and before the law of murder existed, he decided to invent it. Then he goes out and kills someone on the side of the street for no reason whatsoever. Your post above tells me that he is now not liable for that crime because he created the law? I am sorry, but I somehow dont think it works like that.

And yes, you might say that God is all-powerful and all the rest, but murder is murder. And you may bring up the question of God not being human, but in the Bible he tells us that he once was a human, that he walked among us and dealt with the same temptations that we did. He may have had a really strong will at not giving in to those temptations, but if you argue that it makes him less or more of a human, then it does not justify a christians views on Jesus and why he was put on this earth in the first place.

Then again, it is just my opinion.

"Murder is murder" is as simplistic a notion as the rest of this thread. Justifiable homicide is not murder.

If God kills you or anyone else I will always assume it was for the best of reasons.

 

[Green Gaia]

I believe that when women miscarry, its because the body has either rejected it because its not ready yet (particularly in cases of very young girls getting pregnant) or that God knows there will be problems, could lead to death maybe, and intervines.

If that's true, then why are babies born everyday with problems and die within days of their birth causing suffering for not only the child, but the parents as well? Why didn't God intervene then? Furthermore, why did God allow the woman to get pregnant in the first place if God knew there would be problems and suffering for the baby if it were to be born? It doesn't make sense.

 

[SoyLeche]

If that's true, then why are babies born everyday with problems and die within days of their birth causing suffering for not only the child, but the parents as well? Why didn't God intervene then? Furthermore, why did God allow the woman to get pregnant in the first place if God knew there would be problems and suffering for the baby if it were to be born? It doesn't make sense to our non-omniscient minds.

I fixed your post

 

[Sunstone]

If God kills you or anyone else I will always assume it was for the best of reasons.

Why would you make that assumption?

 

[SoyLeche]

Why would you make that assumption?

Most likely a belief that God loves us all - even to the point of offering "tough love".

 

[Green Gaia]

I fixed your post

Why??

 

[SoyLeche]

Why??

Because you missed something.

 

[Sunstone]

Most likely a belief that God loves us all - even to the point of offering "tough love".

Are you saying that spontaneous abortions are evidence of "tough love"?

 

[Green Gaia]

Because you missed something.

I don't think so.

Stimpleton made the claim that God intervenes when babies have problems or are going to die soon after their birth. However, we see this is not the case as many babies are born with problems and some do indeed die soon after birth. This does not make sense if Stimpleton's claim that God interevenes in these cases is true.

 

[porkchop]

I don't think so.

Stimpleton made the claim that God intervenes when babies have problems or are going to die soon after their birth. However, we see this is not the case as many babies are born with problems and some do indeed die soon after birth. This does not make sense if Stimpleton's claim that God interevenes in these cases is true.

I also said that some things we arent meant to understand.. This is my oppinion on the subject, may i state before people start jumping on everything i say. Miscarriages, to me, are something that i will never fully understand why it happens, maybe God does intervine, maybe not, it is possible either way, as i said, some things we just arent ment to understand.

 

[SoyLeche]

I don't think so.

Stimpleton made the claim that God intervenes when babies have problems or are going to die soon after their birth. However, we see this is not the case as many babies are born with problems and some do indeed die soon after birth. This does not make sense if Stimpleton's claim that God interevenes in these cases is true.

OK - you were responding to Stimpleton specifically. I thought you were talking generally.

 

[porkchop]

Furthermore, why did God allow the woman to get pregnant in the first place if God knew there would be problems and suffering for the baby if it were to be born? It doesn't make sense.

What? are you serious here? So God is now incharge of women getting pregnant?? Hello, free will???????????

 

[SoyLeche]

Are you saying that spontaneous abortions are evidence of "tough love"?

Possibly

 

[Sunstone]

I also said that some things we arent meant to understand.. This is my oppinion on the subject, may i state before people start jumping on everything i say. Miscarriages, to me, are something that i will never fully understand why it happens, maybe God does intervine, maybe not, it is possible either way, as i said, some things we just arent ment to understand.

IF we cannot understand why (in theistic terms) miscarriages happen, then can we hope to understand enough to assert that God has a plan for us? Or, must we take this belief that God has a plan for us on faith?

 

[Green Gaia]

What? are you serious here? So God is now incharge of women getting pregnant?? Hello, free will???????????

Do we not call pregnancies a gift from God? (or some people do)

I don't think you can have it both ways; an omniscient deity and free will. But that's another discussion.

 

[Green Gaia]

I also said that some things we arent meant to understand..

I'm having a hard time understanding why God wouldn't want any parent to know why their baby died. As a mother who has had a miscarriage, I can tell you that there is not a much more devastating event than losing a child.

 

[Sunstone]

What? are you serious here? So God is now incharge of women getting pregnant?? Hello, free will???????????

If we have perfectly free will, how can God have a plan for our lives that involves thwarting that free will at times? For instance, if we have free will to get pregnant, how can that be reconciled with the notion that the miscarriage of a pregnancy is part of God's plan for us?

 

[Quiddity]

I don’t believe God created evil. Evil is not a thing, like a black cloud or a mean looking face. Evil is simply a bad choice. The cause of physical evil is spiritual evil. If you don’t start with this premise it will be ever so hard to explain evil and suffering as it relates to the OP.

 

[Green Gaia]

I don’t believe God created evil. Evil is not a thing, like a black cloud or a mean looking face. Evil is simply a bad choice. The cause of physical evil is spiritual evil. If you don’t start with this premise it will be ever so hard to explain evil and suffering as it relates to the OP.

Am I understanding you correctly here Victor: So because I made a bad choice (evil), my baby died? Now that's some guilt to lay on a mother who's just lost a child. (Good thing it happened to me 9 years ago next month, I'm fairly over it.)

 

[Quiddity]

Am I understanding you correctly here Victor: So because I made a bad choice (evil), my baby died? Now that's some guilt to lay on a mother who's just lost a child. (Good thing it happened to me 9 years ago next month, I'm fairly over it.)

That's not what I meant. This is connected to our belief in the fall, which I'm sure you are familiar with.