Starting next week, death penalty for gays and adulterers

[Shaul]

Effective next week those committing homosexual acts or Muslims who commit adultery could be subject to death by stoning in Brunei.

Brunei to make same-sex sexual acts punishable by death by stoning

 

[metis]

Effective next week those committing homosexual acts or Muslims who commit adultery could be subject to death by stoning in Brunei.

Brunei to make same-sex sexual acts punishable by death by stoning

That's terrible, but I also oppose the death penalty here for anything.

 

[BSM1]

Pbbft! My wife passed the "death penalty for adultery..." the day we were married.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Effective next week those committing homosexual acts or Muslims who commit adultery could be subject to death by stoning in Brunei.

Brunei to make same-sex sexual acts punishable by death by stoning

I can't say this issue concerns me greatly, but I agree it seems unwise to me. Also, why would they relate the two things in the same legislation? If it happened here I would be a lot more concerned, and I would have some people to worry about. I am not sure, but I suspect that in my country the days of killing homosexuals is past as is the (completely unrelated) practice of adultery. Brunei's population is about 500,000. To me that is a suburban town. Lets see how this plays out and if they actually start killing people they know, because you can bet everybody knows everybody there.

Brunei - Wikipedia
Hopefully not too many people there will be affected on that bit of land on the island called Borneo which I hope continues to be a paradise. Its interesting that Brunei is surrounded on three sides by the much larger Sarawak. That must be an interesting relationship!
Sarawak - Wikipedia

 

[Altfish]

I can't say this issue concerns me greatly, but I agree it seems unwise to me. Also, why would they relate the two things in the same legislation? If it happened here I would be a lot more concerned, and I would have some people to worry about. I am not sure, but I suspect that in my country the days of killing homosexuals is past as is the (completely unrelated) practice of adultery. Brunei's population is about 500,000. To me that is a suburban town. Lets see how this plays out and if they actually start killing people they know, because you can bet everybody knows everybody there.

Brunei - Wikipedia
Hopefully not too many people there will be affected on that bit of land on the island called Borneo which I hope continues to be a paradise. Its interesting that Brunei is surrounded on three sides by the much larger Sarawak. That must be an interesting relationship!
Sarawak - Wikipedia

The size of the country is irrelevant, this is barbaric, medieval and should be condemned by all countries. Impose sanctions, call in their ambassadors, chuck them out ot the UN, etc etc.
But watch the 'west' do nothing.

 

[columbus]

The size of the country is irrelevant, this is barbaric, medieval and should be condemned by all countries. Impose sanctions, call in their ambassadors, chuck them out ot the UN, etc etc.
But watch the 'west' do nothing.

They produce a lot of oil. So
Tom

 

[Audie]

They produce a lot of oil. So
Tom

Then too, there are a lot of well justified
complaints about "the West" meddling
in other countries' affairs.

The "west" btw, has plenty of sources of oil and
does not need Brunei even to exist.

 

[Brickjectivity]

The size of the country is irrelevant, this is barbaric, medieval and should be condemned by all countries. Impose sanctions, call in their ambassadors, chuck them out ot the UN, etc etc.
But watch the 'west' do nothing.

I think most countries do condemn this action. I don't think its appropriate to make sanctions over it. Sanctions are warfare and can lead to real fighting. Calling in ambassadors perhaps depending. UN should not chuck any countries as long as they are willing to be members.

 

[MJFlores]

Where the country has Sharia Law due to the country's adherence to the Islamic faith that happens.
That is why in the Philippines, we appreciate the separation of powers between the church and the state.
The last time it happened was during the Inquisition - when the church was the state
Inquisition - Wikipedia
Once they cross that line, you will have that.

https://nypost.com/2019/03/07/malay...mments-suggesting-malaysia-has-no-gay-people/

Maybe the whole Indonesia will follow suit
They practice Sharia Law in Banda Aceh, Indonesia

 

[icehorse]

Then too, there are a lot of well justified
complaints about "the West" meddling
in other countries' affairs.

The "west" btw, has plenty of sources of oil and
does not need Brunei even to exist.

As individuals, we can defend universal human rights, and decry any government that encroaches on them.

 

[Revoltingest]

Then too, there are a lot of well justified
complaints about "the West" meddling
in other countries' affairs.

The "west" btw, has plenty of sources of oil and
does not need Brunei even to exist.

Some people see everything thru oil colored glasses.
Sure, Brunei has a nasty government.
But I don't want Trump going there to "fix" yet another Muslim country.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Economics can be a very strong tool. It is time to start using it on an international scale. If countries violate the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights then there should be economic sanctions placed on that country:

Universal Declaration of Human Rights

No armed conflict needed. We just don't want your stuff and don't want you to buy our stuff.

 

[Audie]

Some people see everything thru oil colored glasses.
Sure, Brunei has a nasty government.
But I don't want Trump going there to "fix" yet another Muslim country.

No fix. Please.

But really, I dont think there was any particular
interest in "fixing" Iraq, or Afghanland. Other
than maybe "fix you but good".

If any middle eastern nation does try to get
too uppity, they will get fixed good too.

Anti US coalitions is frowned on.

 

[Audie]

Economics can be a very strong tool. It is time to start using it on an international scale. If countries violate the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights then there should be economic sanctions placed on that country:

Universal Declaration of Human Rights

No armed conflict needed. We just don't want your stuff and don't want you to buy our stuff.

Time for the UN to function as a UN?

 

[Audie]

As individuals, we can defend universal human rights, and decry any government that encroaches on them.

That is the right and proper thing to do, but as for
doing more-?

 

[Revoltingest]

No fix. Please.

But really, I dont think there was any particular
interest in "fixing" Iraq, or Afghanland. Other
than maybe "fix you but good".

If any middle eastern nation does try to get
too uppity, they will get fixed good too.

Anti US coalitions is frowned on.

There was a strong sentiment to impose democracy
on these ****hole countries. I'd rather not.

 

[Audie]

I think most countries do condemn this action. I don't think its appropriate to make sanctions over it. Sanctions are warfare and can lead to real fighting. Calling in ambassadors perhaps depending. UN should not chuck any countries as long as they are willing to be members.

There are US sanctions against Belarus, Myanmar, Ivory Coast, Cuba, Congo, Iran, Liberia, North Korea, Sudan, Venezuela...

 

[columbus]

But I don't want Trump going there to "fix" yet another Muslim country.

You know I don't either. But there are less drastic ways to pressure governments.

That said, my understanding is that the Brunei government isn't nasty. The government invested a ton of the oil money in development and services to the people. So it isn't like a lot of similar places where a few super rich people live surrounded by an ocean of poverty and desperation.
Tom

 

[Audie]

There was a strong sentiment to impose democracy
on these ****hole countries. I'd rather not.

But why? It was not just to be nice.
Whether anyone in state dept thought it
could possibly work is a bit irrelevant.
The strategic goal was to mess them
and keep them weak.

 

[Revoltingest]

You know I don't either. But there are less drastic ways to pressure governments.

That said, my understanding is that the Brunei government isn't nasty. The government invested a ton of the oil money in development and services to the people. So it isn't like a lot of similar places where a few super rich people live surrounded by an ocean of poverty and desperation.
Tom

Death penalties for gays & adulturors is nasty.
If the UN wants to weigh in on this, that's OK with me.