Starting next week, death penalty for gays and adulterers

[Stanyon]

I'd rather talk to a nice Hari Krishna than a mean Muslim

 

[columbus]

It's imperative that we keep separated those that are barbaric and those who are not.

Is it similarly imperative that conservative religionists, like Muslims, are held to that standard?
If not, which is what I see, why not?
Muslims execute gay people for living in their country. But if Muslims were executed for living in secular democracies there would be huge problems. Because it's OK with SJWs when Muslims are violent and primitive, but they expect the rest of us to know better.
Why is that?
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

I'd rather talk to a nice Hari Krishna than a mean Muslim

They no longer infest airports.
But going down memory lane....

 

[Cooky]

Some people see everything thru oil colored glasses.
Sure, Brunei has a nasty government.
But I don't want Trump going there to "fix" yet another Muslim country.

This is why I have no problems with tariffs and sanctions and things like that -that go against total capitalist thought. Even though I am pro-Capitalist.

...Just tax oil that comes from that country and at least we did something. But the laws aren't set up to selectively discriminate like that. Too bad.

 

[Revoltingest]

This is why I have no problems with tariffs and sanctions and things like that -that go against total capitalist thought. Even though I am pro-Capitalist.

...Just tax oil that comes from that country and at least we did something. But the laws aren't set up to selectively discriminate like that. Too bad.

Such a limited response would have no effect.
Oil is sold on a world market, which determines prices.
They'd just sell to other customers.
So our going on an oil strike would be a meaningless gesture.
Wait for AOC to propose it.

 

[Woberts]

Because it's OK with SJWs when Muslims are violent and primitive, but they expect the rest of us to know better.

>Imagine actually believing SJWs exist and aren't the greatest strawman in history

 

[Jumi]

Is it similarly imperative that conservative religionists, like Muslims, are held to that standard?
If not, which is what I see, why not?
Muslims execute gay people for living in their country. But if Muslims were executed for living in secular democracies there would be huge problems. Because it's OK with SJWs when Muslims are violent and primitive, but they expect the rest of us to know better.
Why is that?

I don't think anyone in secular countries wants innocent people being executed or even harrassed. I don't know what the people you talk about are thinking. I don't think we should hold Brunei to a double standard.

 

[Jumi]

Good relations are also useful to avoid driving the country into the arms
of our enemy. There are pluses & minuses in dividing up countries into
friends & enemies based upon internal policies we like or dislike.
How far do we want to go with Brunei....
Attack & force regime change?
Economic embargo?
Those tactics have really served us poorly over the last century.
We should be thoughtful, & consider all possible consequences.

I agree with you there. It's still going to work the way that western businesses who have no ethics will keep supporting theocratic dictators because they want stability. If some of them go "too far" as in touch the business interests then they lose support or get threatened with regime change. The current situation is about reinforcing the status quo.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The "west" btw, has plenty of sources of oil and
does not need Brunei even to exist.

Why wreck our own natural landscape when we have those pesky environmentalists and plenty of countries far away over there out of site with powerless insignificant people we can pillage and plunder instead?

 

[Audie]

Why wreck our own natural landscape when we have those pesky environmentalists and plenty of countries far away over there out of site with powerless insignificant people we can pillage and plunder instead?

A little extreme but not without elements of truth.

But just as if you used whale oil you'd be a party to
whaling....

And of course, it is the "leaders" empowered with
western riches who then do the serious pillage.

AND there is that I commented that with our
without Brunei, there is plenty of oil.

 

[Stevicus]

Good relations are also useful to avoid driving the country into the arms
of our enemy. There are pluses & minuses in dividing up countries into
friends & enemies based upon internal policies we like or dislike.
How far do we want to go with Brunei....
Attack & force regime change?
Economic embargo?
Those tactics have really served us poorly over the last century.
We should be thoughtful, & consider all possible consequences.

Well, we invaded Grenada. That was Reagan's finest hour.

In fact, I think the only real solution to all of the world's problems is for the U.S. to simply invade and conquer the entire world. We're already halfway there anyway, with bases and troops all over the place.

It would be a tremendous boon for US businesses, so I know you'll like that. We'd control the world market and have a monopoly on everything. And all those liberals and SJWs can be appointed governors of the provinces in our new global empire, so they can reshape them and mold them into their ideal.

It could be a win-win for all. The entire world would become American.

 

[Audie]

Well, we invaded Grenada. That was Reagan's finest hour.

In fact, I think the only real solution to all of the world's problems is for the U.S. to simply invade and conquer the entire world. We're already halfway there anyway, with bases and troops all over the place.

It would be a tremendous boon for US businesses, so I know you'll like that. We'd control the world market and have a monopoly on everything. And all those liberals and SJWs can be appointed governors of the provinces in our new global empire, so they can reshape them and mold them into their ideal.

It could be a win-win for all. The entire world would become American.

It had nothing to do with a fine hour.

The Russians were setting about to build an
air base.

It was a geopolitical move, and, any other
president would have done the same.

But then your whole post was facetious, so,
never mind.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

If you do not approve of a country its laws customs or its social justice,
do not go there.
This does not mean that you can not be friends with some of its more accommodating peoples.
For this reason I have never been or wished to go to America and a number of other countries. and Burunai is high on that list.
At an official level we must maintain international relationships with all countries, but we do not have to trade with them or have any close ties with them. We can chose to be selective in those relationships.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I'd rather talk to a nice Hari Krishna than a mean Muslim

I would rather talk to a nice person than a mean one.
Religion , race or gender is not a factor.

 

[Audie]

If you do not approve of a country its laws customs or its social justice,
do not go there.
This does not mean that you can not be friends with some of its more accommodating peoples.
For this reason I have never been or wished to go to America and a number of other countries. and Burunai is high on that list.
At an official level we must maintain international relationships with all countries, but we do not have to trade with them or have any close ties with them. We can chose to be selective in those relationships.

Curious what you find so objectionable about the USA

 

[Stevicus]

It had nothing to do with a fine hour.

The Russians were setting about to build an
air base.

It was a geopolitical move, and, any other
president would have done the same.

That's a bold claim. Grenada was hardly a threat to America, and neither were the Russians, for that matter. They were more afraid of us than we were of them. Grenada was treated as the joke that it was.

Here's an oldie but goodie (a spoof of the old commercials for Time-Life books):

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Child: Did we win the war in Grenada, Daddy?

V/O: Why did we go there? How did we find it? What did the Marines do the rest of that week?

Child: Is it really the smallest country in the world?

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[Stanyon]

I would rather talk to a nice person than a mean one.
Religion , race or gender is not a factor.

Exactly, it shouldn't matter.
The reason I brought it up is because Corey Booker, a 2020 hopeful in the U.S. presidential race said in a recent meeting that "I'd rather talk to a nice atheist than a mean Christian" and was applauded, no media outrage, no claims of racism or some type of phobia etc. I am no Christian but I couldn't help but wonder what would have been the response had he said "a mean Jew" or a "mean Muslim".

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Curious what you find so objectionable about the USA

It is the antithesis of the Liberal philosophy and values I hold to.
While our present conservative government is a disaster, and the labour opposition would be no better.
The general ethos of the UK is fundamentally different to that of the USA.
So over time it stays well with in the bounds of Liberal philosophy.

At the present time Trump/Guns and racial issues come first to mind.
Your government system is worse than almost any I know. and it fosters corruption through the lobby system, which permeates everything.
Your politicised justice system is totally flawed. Justice should be blind as the statue of liberty shows (but that was a gift from France)
The locked down constitution is a hindrance to social justice social change as it is fixed in an 18th century time warp and values.
Nice people should not have to live in such conditions, but they are blinded by an unhealthy Patriotism that forgives the leadership anything.

But there you go....... I can be almost as scathing about our governments and their total lack of an ability to compromise for the good of the country.

 

[Audie]

It is the antithesis of the Liberal philosophy and values I hold to.
While our present conservative government is a disaster, and the labour opposition would be no better.
The general ethos of the UK is fundamentally different to that of the USA.
So over time it stays well with in the bounds of Liberal philosophy.

At the present time Trump/Guns and racial issues come first to mind.
Your government system is worse than almost any I know. and it fosters corruption through the lobby system, which permeates everything.
Your politicised justice system is totally flawed. Justice should be blind as the statue of liberty shows (but that was a gift from France)
The locked down constitution is a hindrance to social justice social change as it is fixed in an 18th century time warp and values.
Nice people should not have to live in such conditions, but they are blinded by an unhealthy Patriotism that forgives the leadership anything.

But there you go....... I can be almost as scathing about our governments and their total lack of an ability to compromise for the good of the country.

That kind of suggests the USA may be little (if any)
worse than the UK, which place I guess you can stand.

Maybe a trip to Canada... kind of get the feel of it.
Canada and USA dont feel much different.
Venture across the border, then go right back.

Of possible interest might be that I used to just
loathe anything British, to where the sound of
a British accent would rouse instant hostility.

I have only been there once, unfortunately, and
that was spent mostly in (at?) "Vale of Health"
in Hampstead. All quite posh. Good scones.
Nice people. Would have like to have spent
longer and seen more.

I guess now I'd go for another 200 yr lease
of HK to Britain.

Used to hate Japanese even more. Of course.
my family suffered horribly at their hands, WW2.

I have a deeply valued friend, nicest person
ever, who is from Tokyo. I spent 6 weeks in
Japan and think quite differently than I once
did.

I just realized this sounds like me sort of preaching
at you, not what I had in mind, i just started writing.

But yeah, try visiting the US!

Maybe even China, which may not suit all of your
preferences either, but, why not?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

AND there is that I commented that with our
without Brunei, there is plenty of oil.

Yeah. Last I heard new drilling doesn't make sense economically. But what makes sense often times isn't how the show is ran.