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Stop and Frisk
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YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
I'm worried that police have far too much on their plates as it is and this could easily erode existing community outreach efforts. Plus, if you are not committing a crime isn't it against your civil liberties? If you are doing something suspicious, by all means, investigate, but if you are simply hanging around or going hither and yon.... eeeeek.
I am pretty sure it was ruled unconstitutional.
Im guessing it's effectively a form of Search and seizure without a warrant under the fourth amendment?
Underhill
Well-Known Member
https://ccrjustice.org/home/press-c...ion-judge-rules-nypd-stop-and-frisk-practices
Another brilliant plan from the Trump.
Another brilliant plan from the Trump.
You're such an optimist.
Without the USSC standing in the way, I'd expect more diversity of oppression.
Skwim
Veteran Member
On August 12, 2013, U.S. District Court Judge Shira Scheindlin ruled that the stop and frisk practice was unconstitutional and directed the Police to adopt a written policy to specify where such stops are authorized.
On October 31, 2013, the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit blocked the order requiring changes to the New York Police Department's stop-and-frisk program and removed Judge Shira Scheindlin from the case.
On November 9, 2013, the city asked a federal appeals court to vacate Scheindlin's orders.
On November 22, 2013, the federal appellate court rejected the city's motion for a stay of the judge's orders. Although the appellate court rejected the city's motion for a stay, the case still continues.
Source:Wikipedia
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On October 31, 2013, the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit blocked the order requiring changes to the New York Police Department's stop-and-frisk program and removed Judge Shira Scheindlin from the case.
On November 9, 2013, the city asked a federal appeals court to vacate Scheindlin's orders.
On November 22, 2013, the federal appellate court rejected the city's motion for a stay of the judge's orders. Although the appellate court rejected the city's motion for a stay, the case still continues.
Source:Wikipedia
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esmith
Veteran Member
Do you see any problem with a LEO conducting Field Interviews of individuals in the course of a LEO's normal duties?
Do you think that a "trained" LEO can detect a concealed weapon on a persons body?
Do you think that a LEO can ask a person if they have a permit for the concealed weapon?
If the person says yes do you think the LEO has the legal right to ask to see the permit?
if the person says no do you think the LEO has the legal right to arrest the person for not having a permit for a concealed weapon? (note: only valid in states requiring a permit to carry concealed)
Do you think that a "trained" LEO can detect a concealed weapon on a persons body?
Do you think that a LEO can ask a person if they have a permit for the concealed weapon?
If the person says yes do you think the LEO has the legal right to ask to see the permit?
if the person says no do you think the LEO has the legal right to arrest the person for not having a permit for a concealed weapon? (note: only valid in states requiring a permit to carry concealed)
McBell
Unbound
I read "in the course of the LEOs normal duties" to mean he has reason to beleive I am carrying.
Thus the answer is yes.
Under ideal situations, no.
However, when are situations ideal?
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We aren't talking about field interviews alone. But to answer your question, if there is reason to suspect, a field interview in the course of normal duties is fine by me. Part of the gig.
They might be able to spot other tells that someone who isn't might miss. Sure, it's possible.
They can ask all they want, but I don't have to show it to them/answer unless I am being detained, in which case they can search me with probable cause.
Nope, see above. Now, if the officer believes that me having that permit/believes that I am carrying concealed is justifiable grounds to detain me, then we can move to stop two in which, yep. Gotta cough it up.
Yep! Them's the rules.
McBell
Unbound
If I may ask, what state are you in?
Cause the laws are quite different here in Indiana and Michigan
Virginia, I am not sure if I am 100% accurate, to be fair. I am parroting info from a few police buddies and I might be goobering it.
McBell
Unbound
I ask because as far as I know (and I freely admiit I may be wrong) whenever ANY legitimate LEO asks, you are to provide the permit/license.
In fat, I am fairly certain that you are even required to carry the card on your person or you can be arrested and even prosecuted for carrying.
Interesting, you could be spot on. I should probably look into it a bit more. Take my previous post with a grain of salt.
McBell
Unbound
I have not been in Virginia since I obtained my handgun license, so I have not looked up that states laws concerning it.
Found it!
In the instance of a traffic stop, should I advise the police officer that I have a concealed handgun permit?
Virginia law does not require you to notify the officer that you have a permit. However, Section 18.2-308.01, of the Code of Virginia, requires you to be in possession of the permit whenever you are carrying a concealed handgun and to display the permit and a government-issued photo-identification upon demand by a law-enforcement officer.
Wirey
Fartist
No wonder you shoot each other so much. Jesus wept.
Are you suggesting shooting people over control of a Pokemon Go gym is a stupid thing to do? Psh, you can just stay in Canada!
Kuzcotopia
If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
I saw your comment and laughed, but it made me accidentally discharge my weapon in the house. It was an assault rifle too, so the sofa is ruined.
The wife is going to be p.o.ed. I better go hide her guns.