Wirey
Fartist
But, if we do that, who will stand up to the suber ebil bad guys in the gov'ment?
Why are you guys so afraid of the people you elect?
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Stop and Frisk
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Why are you guys so afraid of the people you elect?
Again I say nah!
We can recognize that civil liberties have negative consequences.
But we also shouldn't get used to them.
Our outrage can inspire us to continually seek solutions.
You mock, but government always has potential to work great evil.But, if we do that, who will stand up to the suber ebil bad guys in the gov'ment?
I prefer enabling the option to fight that when voting fails.
I always find it humorous when someone thinks they can get their drinking buddies together and stick it to the most powerful entity on earth.
Because I don't trust my own people to make a safe choice. While I am ribbing @Revoltingest about guns, there is something to be said about paranoia when we are dealing with a populace who is either disengaged or, worse, they are engaged without a full understanding of what they are engaging in when it comes to electing officials. For one of the more powerful nations, we have a population full of dumb-dumbs (not to be confused with the candy).
This entity is complex.
It is powerful when united, but if it becomes too oppressive, then there will be dissent from within.
Revolution is chaotic & probabilistic.
One cannot say if it will succeed or fail.
But I still want that option available.
Parchment
Active Member
The Colonial Tavern seemed to be a free marketplace of ideas
The Colonial Tavern, Crucible of the American Revolution - War on the Rocks
Are you saying we should go get a drink? I'm in! I'll round up @Rick O'Shez and we are on our way.
Parchment
Active Member
No, I am just saying that the American revolution started with some guys in a bar talking about things that they were concerned about at that particular time and how to deal with those realities. As far as personalizing the issue I don't see the current global situation as some simple coffee klatch conversation with a "come one, come all " attitude.
oh
Right, I am a historian by trade and I have protests to the "It worked in 1775, therefore it should work..." There are far too many differences, which you have touched on.
Parchment
Active Member
I am a historian by trade and I have protests to the "It worked in 1775, therefore it should work..." There are far too many differences, which you have touched on.
I have a Brown Bess reproduction slow browned and brass tacked up that I cut down to "30 or so, far more handy than the bright "42 in the brush. It was an assault rifle in it's day
As a historian, you should recognize that such things are complex.oh
Right, I am a historian by trade and I have protests to the "It worked in 1775, therefore it should work..." There are far too many differences, which you have touched on.
One cannot say it "will work", "should work", or "can't work".
Such statements about something so complex & chaotic are too absolute.
But one can say it "might work" or "might not work".
I see opportunity, not certainty.
No one is arguing it would be something simple.
Au contraire....some do argue it would be impossible to revolt because of overwhelming governmental power.
That is simplistic.
I agree.
I agree with that.
Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
Ok.
Maybe that is because Bolivar, NY is 98.5% white, and blacks make up 0.72% of the total county population. That does not change the national stats.
Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
So it is wrong to get drugs and illegal guns off the streets? Those drugs are killing people and destroying families. Children lose their moms/dads. I have worked 5 heroin overdoes in the past month.
It is wrong to apprehend violent felons and bring them to justice, where their victims' families can finally get their day in court? It is wrong to solve murder, assault and rape cases by nabbing the suspects who committed those crimes? Until you have walked in my shoes, and had a victim's mother come up to you at the end of a court trial and hug you...
Here's a challenge for you, and until you can come up with a solution, don't say sh*t else about it... how do you stop a culture (that 5%) from being the most violent in the country? How do you stop them from dropping out of school and just running the streets? How do you stop them from abusing the government assistance programs thus causing the tax payers billions? How do you get them to want to become a law abiding citizen? How do you stop them from glorifying guns, drugs and "thug life"?
Wirey
Fartist
I'll tell you why.
One of these two will win....
I withdraw the question.