Student Protests Against Israel Are Wonderful

[ImmortalFlame]

It doesnt matter where your "sympathy" lies. The reality is hamas not only wants to eliminate all Jews they'll kill their own people to do it. You're on the wrong side of the moral aisle friend.

So you're just going to completely ignore what I am actually writing and imply I side with Hamas despite the fact I have repeatedly explained my position and the fact that I opposed Hamas repeatedly.

Do you even read my posts?

 

[Ignatius A]

I have provided very clear answers to honest questions. I have in good faith attempted to come to agreements on how to rephrase poorly conceived questions.

The idea that the world can be reduced to colonial oppressors vs. the oppressed is a non-starter.

Isnt it funny how leftists find something to be complicated while other things are quite cut and dried. Even their ability to tell you what they "think" is effected.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I wouldn't like its criteria but if that country is working within it's rights I dont see how I have any legitimate reason to complain about it or to criticize them for it.

So basically, there is no legitimate reason to criticise states for doing things "within it's rights"?

I will remember this every time you complain about or criticise anything a country does.

 

[Ignatius A]

So you're just going to completely ignore what I am actually writing and imply I side with Hamas despite the fact I have repeatedly explained my position and the fact that I opposed Hamas repeatedly.

Do you even read my posts?

I do read them and I know you claim to be for the gazan civilians. I might have missed the copious posts you no doubt made about your concern for the Israeli civilians.

While your concerns for gazan civilians is well intentioned and maybe even virtuous, your judgement about who is to blame for their plight is grossly misguided. THAT'S the problem. As I said before if you actually cared about the gazan civilians you would demand Hamas denounce their explicitly stated desire to eradicate Jews and demand they stop using gazan civilians as shields.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I do read them and I know you claim to be for the gazan civilians. I might have missed the copious posts you no doubt made about your concern for the Israeli civilians.

Yes, you have.

While your concerns for gazan civilians is well intentioned and maybe even virtuous, your judgement about who is to blame for their plight is grossly misguided.

Oh yeah? Pray tell, who do I blame?

THAT'S the problem. As I said before if you actually cared about the gazan civilians you would demand Hamas denounce their explicitly stated desire to eradicate Jews and demand they stop using gazan civilians as shields.

I've already explained why this logic is fallacious.

You ever going to respond to my actual arguments rather than just repeating ones you've already made that I have already addressed?

 

[Ignatius A]

So basically, there is no legitimate reason to criticise states for doing things "within it's rights"?

I will remember this every time you complain about or criticise anything a country does.

Not that I can see and clearly not one that you have brought to my attention.

Good. It will be a wasted memory.

 

[Ignatius A]

Yes, you have.


Oh yeah? Pray tell, who do I blame?


I've already explained why this logic is fallacious.

You ever going to respond to my actual arguments rather than just repeating ones you've already made that I have already addressed?

Not likely

You do listen to yourself dont you? Or is that even you know you shouldn't listen to yourself? Israel is to blame according to you. Don't you remember that rant about pulling the trigger????? That was a good one

Where?

What arguments? That israel is "mean"? As long as you carry water for a group that wants to eradicate jews im not upset by your feigned moral outrage over the behavior of israel.

 

[InChrist]

I certainly won't appear objective to fanatical
Zionists who defend evil perpetrated by Jews,
& seethe with hatred & rage at Muslims. IMO.
"Objective" means their view & no other.

What's wonderful is the emerging movement to
turn around US policy, ie, stop supporting
apartheid, human rights violations, theft,
genocide, & starvation. IMO.

Jews have yelled "Death to Arabs".
Just as the pro Palestinians' agenda isn't dismissible
because some yell wrongful things, neither should
Israel's right to exist be lost just because some of
them call for wrongful things.

Bigotry abounds. But Israeli & US (largely Christian
leaders) bigotries are the deadliest of all in this conflict.

It appears that you see only bigotry in those who oppose
Israel's genocide? Is this so? Is there nothing from Jews,
from Christians, & from others who support Israel's brutal
treatment of non-Jews?

Your moniker suggests to me that you follow
the Prince Of Peace. Is this so?
Would he pursue genocide & starvation as a
means to defend Israel?

All you offer is one sided defense of Israel's
genocide of Palestinians, employing fault
finding of protesters & Muslims. IMO.
You should consider this.

First off, I do not support bigotry or brutality by any person/group/nation against anyone. Nor am I offering a one-sided defense of Israel. The wrongs which Israel does are wrong…period. Yet, I believe your assessment of the history and situation is slanted and wrong because I don’t think there is any validity to the accusation that Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinians. It’s really just the opposite. Israel has been continually trying to survive as a country while those surrounding this tiny nation are constantly attempting to bring about its annihilation.

It’s strange to me that you would bring up the “Prince of Peace” when you as an atheist don’t even believe or accept God or the biblical scriptures; you actually have no concept what that title “Prince of Peace” even means. Unless something occurs in your life to open your eyes/mind to the spiritual reality taking place in this world and surrounding Israel, I think you will be completely deceived (as the world will be), when the Antichrist steps up & offers a solution of “peace” for the Middle East.

 

[icehorse]

I said specifically your loop of forcing a majority to renounce a minority that consists of buckets of scum.
Those like Malala Yousafzi already took a bullet from the scum. Why should they have to do what you want when they're here because remaining where they were was a death sentence?

Two points:

1 - aid in place
2 - If you're not an Islamist, join the Muslim Reform Movement, end of.

 

[Ignatius A]

The difference it makes is that the criteria could either be humane and reasonable or arbitrary, racist, sexist, etc.

If a country banned all white, black, or Jewish immigrants solely based on ethnicity, what would you think of its immigration criteria? Should one criticize that hypothetical country's immigration policies, or should one cite its right to control who entered its borders and stop there?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Not likely

You do listen to yourself dont you?

At least one of us does.

Or is that even you know you shouldn't listen to yourself? Israel is to blame according to you. Don't you remember that rant about pulling the trigger?????

"Rant"? You mean, literally acknowledging that they literally are the ones pulling the trigger?

Is that wrong? In what way is the statement that these civilians are dying from bombs being dropped by Israel inaccurate? Are these magic bombs from space?

That was a good one

Where?

What arguments? That israel is "mean"?

Oh yeah. That's my argument. Totally. War crimes are mean. That's all it is.

As long as you carry water for a group that wants to eradicate jews

Once again, you deliberately mischaracterise me. Why do you do that despite me repeatedly explaining I don't support Hamas? Do you get a kick out of it or something?

im not upset by your feigned moral outrage over the behavior of israel.

Compared to your feigned moral outrage over Hamas. Which is obviously feigned, because you have made it perfectly clear you don't actually care about civilians being murdered.

 

[Ignatius A]

At least one of us does.


"Rant"? You mean, literally acknowledging that they literally are the ones pulling the trigger?

Is that wrong? In what way is the statement that these civilians are dying from bombs being dropped by Israel inaccurate? Are these magic bombs from space?


Oh yeah. That's my argument. Totally. War crimes are mean. That's all it is.


Once again, you deliberately mischaracterise me. Why do you do that despite me repeatedly explaining I don't support Hamas? Do you get a kick out of it or something?


Compared to your feigned moral outrage over Hamas. Which is obviously feigned, because you have made it perfectly clear you don't actually care about civilians being murdered.

Hamas clearly doesn't have the least bit of concern for their own citizens but we are supposed to believe they want to live peacefully with a group of people they have explicitly said they want to eradicate? I hate to break it to you but there's no Santa buddy.

 

[Revoltingest]

The surest way to incite violence in a demonstration is to introduce the police. They're always determined to take control and hassle demonstrators. They can't seem to help themselves. It happens over and over. They never learn.

"Gentlemen, let's get this thing straight, once and for all. The policeman is not here to create disorder. The policeman is here to preserve disorder." -- Mayor Richard Daley. Chicago Democratic National Convention. 1968

They appear to have been on their best behavior.
Except in Texas....violent arrest of one bystander
for recording them.

 

[Ignatius A]

They appear to have been on their best behavior.
Except in Texas....violent arrest on one bystander
for recording them.

Didnt that posters apparent disgruntlement with the police being "... determined to take control..." when they have the authority to do so, give you even a moments pause? And what does "hassle" protestors mean? Telling them to break it up?

 

[Sargonski]

Didnt that posters apparent disgruntlement with the police being "... determined to take control..." when they have the authority to do so, give you even a moments pause? And what does "hassle" protestors mean? Telling them to break it up?

hassling protesters is when the Nazi Gestapo break up the party .. doing so with more than words .. sport

 

[Revoltingest]

First off, I do not support bigotry or brutality by any person/group/nation against anyone.

We have different views of what constitutes bigotry & brutality.

Nor am I offering a one-sided defense of Israel. The wrongs which Israel does are wrong…period.

What wrongs to you see?

Yet, I believe your assessment of the history and situation is slanted and wrong because I don’t think there is any validity to the accusation that Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinians.

I didn't claim genocide per the 1948 UN defintion
until Israel started planning to deport them to Africa.
That clinched the definition.
Your "slant" is to dwell on Israel's side, without
understanding the Palestinians. I've not seen you
post anything in support of them, & understanding
their plight at the hands of Israel.

It’s really just the opposite. Israel has been continually trying to survive as a country while those surrounding this tiny nation are constantly attempting to bring about its annihilation.

Israel has not been subject to genocide.
The Oct attack was under 2,000.
This contrasts with Israel's killing over 34,000
Palestinians, & causing starvation to set in.
Planning to send the survivors to Africa makes
it genocide.

It’s strange to me that you would bring up the “Prince of Peace” when you as an atheist don’t even believe or accept God or the biblical scriptures; you actually have no concept what that title “Prince of Peace” even means.

I hear others talk of WWJD.
Outside of the Israel v Palestinian conflict, they usually
preach peace to others. (Although many of them did
support Hitler's persecution of Jews during WW2.)
Israel is not pursuing peace at all. Not even self defense.
This is just blind raging vengeance.

Unless something occurs in your life to open your eyes/mind to the spiritual reality....

My eyes are open, & they don't see pink elephants,
Easter Bunnies, sprites, leprechauns, angels, demons,
gods, devils, or fiscally responsible Congressmen.
Things that aren't there just don't appear to me,
eg, God commanding Jews to commit genocide
against Muslims.

 

[Revoltingest]

Didnt that posters apparent disgruntlement with the police being "... determined to take control..." when they have the authority to do so, give you even a moments pause? And what does "hassle" protestors mean? Telling them to break it up?

I don't get your meaning..
(It also helps to use the apostrophe to show possession.)

But I'll state that calling the cops is appropriate for some
protests, provided there's prior arrangement to carefully
define their roll, to de-escalate, to ensure proper conduct,
& to stand down when useful.
There is always the risk that it will go wrong, but it's the
appropriate step. I'm a coward...I wouldn't want to be in
the middle of protesters & cops, despite my guarded
approval of both trying to do what's right.

Does this address your question?

 

[Sargonski]

Not likely

You do listen to yourself dont you? Or is that even you know you shouldn't listen to yourself? Israel is to blame according to you. Don't you remember that rant about pulling the trigger????? That was a good one

Where?

What arguments? That israel is "mean"? As long as you carry water for a group that wants to eradicate jews im not upset by your feigned moral outrage over the behavior of israel.

quite the laugh .. crying about the Arabs having the desire to eradicate the Jews .. while Zionist Israeli Loons are acting on their desire to eradicate the Arabs -- and Cleanse the Land as per the Zionist charter ... after which you accuse the other of "feigned moral outrage"

Priceless Projection

 

[Watchmen]

Yep. Please explain to me the relevance of "This country is more tolerant in some ways than this other country" to the issue of "This country is committing war crimes against this other country".

Do you believe more tolerant countries have the right to kill civilians that live in less tolerant countries?

Do you believe tolerance for the others shows they actually are not committing genocide?

 

[Ignatius A]

quite the laugh .. crying about the Arabs having the desire to eradicate the Jews .. while Zionist Israeli Loons are acting on their desire to eradicate the Arabs -- and Cleanse the Land as per the Zionist charter ... after which you accuse the other of "feigned moral outrage"

Priceless Projection

cite the "Zionist charter"