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Studying hadiths.

Losin

Member
Hi all. Will it be ok if I sometimes post Hadith which i do not understand or I struggle with, and you will post your understandings? I am from non muslim country so I have no access to Imams.

here is first one Sahih al-Bukhari Book 1, Hadith 2. It is very long one so I will not post it here. My question is why would Allah made his angel to do such horrific things such as "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more" on his chosen prophet? It does not seem very loving act.
 

DawudTalut

Peace be upon you.
Hi all. Will it be ok if I sometimes post Hadith which i do not understand or I struggle with, and you will post your understandings? I am from non muslim country so I have no access to Imams.

here is first one Sahih al-Bukhari Book 1, Hadith 2. It is very long one so I will not post it here. My question is why would Allah made his angel to do such horrific things such as "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more" on his chosen prophet? It does not seem very loving act.

Peace be on you.
Angels are not material creations, they are spiritual agencies.
Holy Quran says:
[ch17:v96] Say, ‘Had there been in the earth angels walking about in peace and quiet, We should have certainly sent down to them from heaven an angel as a Messenger.’

[from Ahmadiyya-Muslim site alislam.org]

Thus it was a spiritual metaphoric scene which Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) saw, when he used to visit Hira cave for long times to pray to God for the welfare of humanity. Then once the angel appeared and asked him to recite verses of Quran.

QUOTE
Rise of the Sun
The light of dawn was about to manifest itself upon the eastern horizon and the sun which was to illuminate the whole world was about to rise. The Holy Prophet sa would regularely retreat to the Cave of Ḥirā, and would engage himself in the worship of God in a manner of his own. The commencement of true dreams had begun and the Holy Prophet sa spent six months in this very state.1 It was now that the Holy Prophet sa had reached the age of forty and his disposition had attained the maturity of prophethood and apostleship. It was among the last ten days of the blessed month of Ramaḍān and a Monday. As per custom, the Holy Prophet sa was in the Cave of Ḥirā, and was engaged in the worship of God, when suddenly an unfamiliar being appeared before him. This divine messenger, who was Gabrielas, the angel of God, addressed the Holy Prophetsa and said, أ �َ قرِْا, “read”, in other words, ‘speak’ or ‘convey to the people’.2 ََ........ ,The Holy Prophetsa responded ..... , “I cannot read”, meaning, ‘I cannot bear this responsibility’.3 When the angel heard this reply he took hold of the Holy Prophetsa and tightly pressed him against his breast and after releasing him أ ,said �َ قرِْا but the response of the Holy Prophetsa remained the same. The angel took hold of him again and firmly squeezed him and after releasing him said,

أ �َ قرِْا but the same hesitation remained. Upon this, the divine messenger took hold of the Holy Prophet sa a third time and clinched him very tightly, such as by embracing the Holy Prophet sa he would leave an impression upon his heart. After having confirmed that the disposition of the Holy Prophet sa was ready to accept this message, he released the Holy Prophet sa and said:


“Read (i.e., speak or convey) thou in the name1 of thy Lord Who created. He created man from a clot of blood. Aye! Read! And thy Lord is most honourable and eminent. Who taught man by the pen. Taught man what he knew not2 .”3

After this dialogue the angel disappeared but the Holy Prophetsa was left in a state of deep anxiety and restlessness and his heart was panting, for only God knew what this matter was and what was about to take place. In this state, the Holy Prophetsa hurriedly left the Cave of Ḥirā, returned home, and said to Khadījahra, .................Cover me with a mantle! Cover me with a mantle!” When Hadrat Khadījahra witnessed the state of her beloved husband, she became worried and quickly covered the Holy Prophet sa with a mantle. When he was somewhat calmed and his anxiety had lessened, the Holy Prophetsa related the entire event to Ḥaḍrat Khadījahra and in the end ْ ُ........ ,said َ َ........, “I have begun to fear for my life”, but Khadījahra, who was well acquainted with the nature of the Holy Prophet sa, said:

Allāh shall never disgrace you. You treat your kith and kin with love. You are truthful, and assist others in discharging their responsibilities, and have gathered within yourself lost virtues. You are hospitable, and a helper to others in the way of truth.”1

Source-- Page 167 + https://www.alislam.org/holyprophet/Seal-of-Prophets-Vol-1.pdf

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QUOTE
The purpose of the repeated embraces was to influence and strengthen his heart so that he should be prepared to undertake the responsibility that God was about to place upon his shoulders.
Source: Muhammad: The Divine Call
 
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mojtaba

Active Member
Hi.
I read this Hadith.
I think that this Hadith is fake.
Because in this Hadith, Khadija and Waragha who were not prophet and didn't see Gabriel found certainly that the revelation is from God and true, but Prophet Mohammad Who saw Gabriel and Who was chosen prophet, doubted and feared !

Also, this Hadith is agains this verse of holy Qur'an:
2.285: The Messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Lord.
 
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DawudTalut

Peace be upon you.
Peace be on all....Respecting your right of thinking, may I say:

1= I believe, it was not a matter of doubt, it was a matter of humbleness, just as when Hazrat Moses (a.s.) was granted Prophethood, he tried to shy away:

[28:30] And when Moses had fulfilled the term, and journeyed with his family, he perceived a fire in the direction of the Mount. He said to his family, ‘Wait, I perceive a fire; haply I may bring you some useful information therefrom, or a burning brand from the fire that you may warm yourselves.’

[28:31] And when he came to it, he was called by a voice from the right side of the Valley, in the blessed spot, out of the tree: ‘O Moses, verily I am, I am Allah, the Lord of the worlds.’
Read: Short English Commentary | Detailed English Commentary

[28:32] And it also said: ‘Throw down thy rod.’ And when he saw it move as though it were a serpent, he turned back retreating and did not wait. ‘ O Moses, come forward and fear not; surely thou art of those who are safe.

[28:33] ‘Insert thy hand into thy bosom; it will come forth white without evil effect, and draw back thy arm toward thyself to be free from fear. So these shall be two proofs from thy Lord to Pharaoh and his chiefs. Surely they are a rebellious people.’


[28:34] He said, ‘My Lord, I killed a person from among them, and I fear that they will kill me.


[28:35] ‘And my brother Aaron — he is more eloquent in speech than I; send him therefore with me as a helper that he may bear witness to my truth. I fear that they will accuse me of falsehood.’

===> It was the humbleness, that first he feared and retreated, then he said about a person, then he said Aaron should be sent with him.......And when the time came, we see the great Hazrat Moses (a.s.) stood alone with great courage.

Thus I am sure Holy Prophet (s.a.w.)'s worry was not due to doubt, it was due to humbless which all Prophets have inherently.


2= Prior to this reported incidence in Cave Hira, Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) was having spiritual experiences since long time, even since childhood........But this time Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) was said:
'iqra'
i.e. read and convey
He felt awe about this huge responsibility, and like Hazrat Moses (on whom be peace), he kept showing his meekness.

It was not so that Hazrat Khadijah and Hazrat Warqa (may Allah be pleased with them, as they believed the truth) did have any stronger faith than Holy Prophet (s.a.w.).

3= Suppose if we minus these two noble supporters from the scene, then what?
Prophets are human, Allah provides instruments to strengthen their hearts e.g.:

[ch11,v121] And all of the tidings of the Messengers, whereby We make thy heart firm, We relate unto thee. And herein has come to thee the truth and an exhortation and a reminder for believers.

[25:33] And those who disbelieve say, ‘Why was not the Qur’an revealed to him all at once?’ We have revealed it thus that We may strengthen thy heart therewith. And We have arranged it in the best form.

4=This strength of heart is needed by other faithful too.
[28:11] And the heart of the mother of Moses became free from anxiety. She had almost disclosed his identity, were it not that We had strengthened her heart so that she might be of the firm believers.

[18:15] And We strengthened their hearts, when they stood up and said, ‘Our Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth. Never shall we call upon any god beside Him; if we did, we should indeed have uttered an enormity.

Thus, in short, the divinely initiated procedures / experiences create perturbation in hearts, but again Allah the Exalted gives strength to the Prophet and others.
 
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mojtaba

Active Member
Peace be on all....Respecting your opinion, may I say:

1= I believe, it was not a matter of doubt, it was a matter of humbleness, just as when Hazrat Moses (a.s.) was granted Prophethood, he tried to shy away:

[28:30] And when Moses had fulfilled the term, and journeyed with his family, he perceived a fire in the direction of the Mount. He said to his family, ‘Wait, I perceive a fire; haply I may bring you some useful information therefrom, or a burning brand from the fire that you may warm yourselves.’

[28:31] And when he came to it, he was called by a voice from the right side of the Valley, in the blessed spot, out of the tree: ‘O Moses, verily I am, I am Allah, the Lord of the worlds.’
Read: Short English Commentary | Detailed English Commentary

[28:32] And it also said: ‘Throw down thy rod.’ And when he saw it move as though it were a serpent, he turned back retreating and did not wait. ‘ O Moses, come forward and fear not; surely thou art of those who are safe.

[28:33] ‘Insert thy hand into thy bosom; it will come forth white without evil effect, and draw back thy arm toward thyself to be free from fear. So these shall be two proofs from thy Lord to Pharaoh and his chiefs. Surely they are a rebellious people.’


[28:34] He said, ‘My Lord, I killed a person from among them, and I fear that they will kill me.


[28:35] ‘And my brother Aaron — he is more eloquent in speech than I; send him therefore with me as a helper that he may bear witness to my truth. I fear that they will accuse me of falsehood.’

===> It was the humbleness, that first he feared and retreated, then he said about a person, then he said Aaron should be sent with him.......And when the time came, we see the great Hazrat Moses (a.s.) stood alone with great courage.

Thus I am sure Holy Prophet (s.a.w.)'s worry was not due to doubt, it was due to humbless which all Prophets have inherently.
Peace and blessings of Allah be on you.
Thank you my dear brother.
There are differences between these verses which are about Hazrat Moses(علی نبینا و آله و علیه السلام) and the Hadith in Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 1, Hadith3.
Hazrat Moses found that what was saying to him was revelation and after this, He feared from serpents, not from the revelation from Allah. But this Hadith says that Allah's Apostle feared from Wahi(Revelation).
Also I found from this fake Hadith that Prophet Mohammad(صل الله علیه و علی آله الطاهرین و صحبه المنتجبین) had a doubt and ignorance about the source of inspiration.Please read this Hadith from Sahih Muslim, The book of Faith, Hadith 310:
A'isha, the wife of the Messenger of Allah, reported:
The first (form) with which was started the revelation to the Messenger of Allah was the true vision in sleep.... So they wrapped him till the fear had left him. He then said to Khadija: O Khadija! what has happened to me?( ===> Allah's Apostle was confused and did not know what has happened to him )

This Hadith from Sahih Muslim and the answer of Waraqa proves my opinion. Waraqa said after Allah's Apostle described whatever he had seen: " This is the same one who keeps the secrets (angel Gabriel) whom Allah had sent to Moses "( ===> Prophet didn't know the source of inspiration and Waraqa said to him the source was Gabriel).This saying indicate that ( نعوذ بالله ) Allah's Apostle did not know that the inspiration was from who, but Waraqa knew He was Gabriel.please read this verse below:

[6:57] Say(O Mohammad), "Indeed, I am on clear evidence from my Lord".
So Allah's Apostle didn't need the evidence from a man who needed the guidance of Allah's Apostle. Indeed, Allah's Apostle was on his Lord clear evidence.

[10:35] So is He who guides to the truth more worthy to be followed or he who guides not unless he is guided? Then what is [wrong] with you - how do you judge?

2= Prior to this reported incidence in Cave Hira, Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) was having spiritual experiences since long time, even since childhood........But this time Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) was said:
'iqra'
i.e. read and convey
He felt awe about this huge responsibility, and like Hazrat Moses (on whom be peace), he kept showing his meekness.

It was not so that Hazrat Khadijah and Hazrat Warqa (may Allah be pleased with them, as they believed the truth) did have any stronger faith than Holy Prophet (s.a.w.).

If your opinion is correct and Prophet kept showing his meekness, why He asked from Hazrat Khadija: " O Khadija! what has happened to me? " that indicates that Prophet was confused and didn't know what was that inspiration. Also, why Prophet and Hazrat Khadija went toward Waraqa to ask him what was that inspiration, another part of this fake hadith that indicates that Prophet was ignorant about the source of inspiration, too.

3= Suppose if we minus these two noble supporters from the scene, then what?
Prophets are human, Allah provides instruments to strengthen their hearts e.g.:

[ch11,v121] And all of the tidings of the Messengers, whereby We make thy heart firm, We relate unto thee. And herein has come to thee the truth and an exhortation and a reminder for believers.

[25:33] And those who disbelieve say, ‘Why was not the Qur’an revealed to him all at once?’ We have revealed it thus that We may strengthen thy heart therewith. And We have arranged it in the best form.
Yes. Prophets were humans, but Allah was making their hearts firm by Wahi(Revelation).

[18:110] Say( O, Mohammad ), "I am only a man like you,(exempt that) it is revealed to me... ".

Both of your examples from Qur'an prove that the heart of Prophet was firming by Wahi and Qur'an:
[ch11,v121]And all of the tidings of the Messengers( which are in Qur'an or Wahi), whereby We make thy heart firm, We relate unto thee.

[25:33] And those who disbelieve say, ‘Why was not the Qur’an revealed to him all at once?’ We have revealed it thus that We may strengthen thy heart therewith.

So Revelation was which that was firming the heart of Hazrat Mohammad. But the fake hadith says that the revelation feared Him: [Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 1, Hadith] Then Allah's Messenger returned with the Inspiration and with his heart beating severely.
 
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