Subjective/Objective reallity

[Segev Moran]

We all have our subjective reality.
Above all that, we have an objective reality.

subjective reality can be a belief in prayers.
it can be a belief in angels and other non-scientific concepts.

Along the years, humans objective reality became more understood and some subjective realities have been forsaken.

To me it seems, that the more one learns about the objective reality, the better he understand what is objective and what is subjective, and i assume that is why the majority of genuine scientists are atheists (these days).

would you say this suggests that the more we will be able to explain how things work, the less the need for subjective reality will become?

 

[crowfeather]

I'd say the more humans seek to explain how things work, the more insane they will become, as a species.

 

[Kartari]

Hi Segev,

Within the context of explaining and manipulating the workings of nature or the cosmos, I agree. But the subjective mind need not be rendered obsolete in other contexts. I believe subjectivity is required for great art and great music, for instance. For culture, creativity, inspiration, and personal relationships in a broader context. We only run into problems when we stubbornly refuse to let our subjective fantasies about nature or the cosmos give way to objectively demonstrated realities, such as the lingering refusal of creationists to accept the theory of evolution.

 

[Desert Snake]

We all have our subjective reality.
Above all that, we have an objective reality.

subjective reality can be a belief in prayers.
it can be a belief in angels and other non-scientific concepts.

Along the years, humans objective reality became more understood and some subjective realities have been forsaken.

To me it seems, that the more one learns about the objective reality, the better he understand what is objective and what is subjective, and i assume that is why the majority of genuine scientists are atheists (these days).

would you say this suggests that the more we will be able to explain how things work, the less the need for subjective reality will become?

Since i think that most religious academia etc are wrong in various ways, does that make me objectively correct?

 

[Desert Snake]

Our objective truths are actually subjective. I call this necessary subjective. These words actually arent good for most instances in which theyre used.

 

[Valjean]

subjective reality can be a belief in prayers.
it can be a belief in angels and other non-scientific concepts.

I'd take it a step further. I see subjective reality as the abstract patterns our brains assemble from sensory input -- rocks, movement, people, sound, &c.
Objective Reality would be relativistic/quantum Reality that flies in the face of ordinary experience and common sense.

would you say this suggests that the more we will be able to explain how things work, the less the need for subjective reality will become?

No. We have to live in the world we perceive. People aren't going to start ignoring other people, objects, time and so on just because they realize intellectually that they're illusory.[/quote][/QUOTE]

 

[Twilight Hue]

We all have our subjective reality.
Above all that, we have an objective reality.

subjective reality can be a belief in prayers.
it can be a belief in angels and other non-scientific concepts.

Along the years, humans objective reality became more understood and some subjective realities have been forsaken.

To me it seems, that the more one learns about the objective reality, the better he understand what is objective and what is subjective, and i assume that is why the majority of genuine scientists are atheists (these days).

would you say this suggests that the more we will be able to explain how things work, the less the need for subjective reality will become?

I think there needs to be a distinction made concerning the reality of the mind, and the reality of the body with the realisation that those distinctions remain interrelated. I think objective reality trumps any subjective aspects that do arise. However by stating so, it's noteworthy to point out that our subjective nature by way of thought and ideology, can manipulate the objective. Like fluid movement and actions initiated through the processes of thought.

I find it very interesting to think about.

 

[bobhikes]

We all have our subjective reality.
Above all that, we have an objective reality.

subjective reality can be a belief in prayers.
it can be a belief in angels and other non-scientific concepts.

Along the years, humans objective reality became more understood and some subjective realities have been forsaken.

To me it seems, that the more one learns about the objective reality, the better he understand what is objective and what is subjective, and i assume that is why the majority of genuine scientists are atheists (these days).

would you say this suggests that the more we will be able to explain how things work, the less the need for subjective reality will become?

Funny, I see it the other way the more when learn about supposed objective reality the more we understand it to be subjective. We as humans are made to make sense of a random environment finding patterns that make our lives easier and safer to live but on closest examination the patterns are actually false but even that false security helps us. Nothing we have defined can be explained 100%, until we can nothing is objective by definition.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

I'd take it a step further. I see subjective reality as the abstract patterns our brains assemble from sensory input -- rocks, movement, people, sound, &c.
Objective Reality would be relativistic/quantum Reality that flies in the face of ordinary experience and common sense.
No. We have to live in the world we perceive. People aren't going to start ignoring other people, objects, time and so on just because they realize intellectually that they're illusory.

Huh.

"Nothing exists except atoms and empty space; everything else is opinion.".
- Democritus​

Keep in mind that objective reality doesn't just include the basic building block objects, but also recognizes the rules that those objects follow, along with their energy and interactions one to another. Furthermore, knowing these interactions and characteristics allows us to make accurate predictions of how things will interact one with another in the future, as well as suggest how things came to be in the past.
Stellar and planetary masses create gravity and fall into orbits with each other. The molecular make-up of a viral shell allows it to attach to a living cell, inject, and have it's own DNA or RNA be inserted into the host genome.
I know from objective observation and predictions, that if I keep myself fit, clean, and well-dressed, while being really engaged in coversation and making eye contact with my date; I will have much "better odds" than if I scratch my sweaty pits and fervently pray to Eros and Kama.

We all have our subjective reality.
Above all that, we have an objective reality.

subjective reality can be a belief in prayers.
it can be a belief in angels and other non-scientific concepts.

Along the years, humans objective reality became more understood and some subjective realities have been forsaken.

To me it seems, that the more one learns about the objective reality, the better he understand what is objective and what is subjective, and i assume that is why the majority of genuine scientists are atheists (these days).

would you say this suggests that the more we will be able to explain how things work, the less the need for subjective reality will become?

Yes. Both less need for subjective 'reality', and less fear of doing without it..

 

[BSM1]

Subjectivity should be the objective of our reality, whereas objectivity should be the subject of our existence. Yeah, that the ticket...

 

[Aupmanyav]

Accept both the realities. In search of one do not forget the other.

 

[james bond]

Accept both the realities. In search of one do not forget the other.

This is good advice. When one doesn't know if there is more than one reality or universe, then I would say this is the way to go.

 

[Segev Moran]

I'd say the more humans seek to explain how things work, the more insane they will become, as a species.

Why is that?

 

[Segev Moran]

Hi Segev,

Within the context of explaining and manipulating the workings of nature or the cosmos, I agree. But the subjective mind need not be rendered obsolete in other contexts. I believe subjectivity is required for great art and great music, for instance. For culture, creativity, inspiration, and personal relationships in a broader context. We only run into problems when we stubbornly refuse to let our subjective fantasies about nature or the cosmos give way to objectively demonstrated realities, such as the lingering refusal of creationists to accept the theory of evolution.

I Agree, yet the question still remains if you need this subjective reality as an alternative to the objective one.
Art, music, imagination, they are all amazing abilities we have and obviously much of the objective reality is shaped thanks to those subjective ones.
Yet the question remains, if in the future, the contradiction between subjective and objective reality will grow larger?

 

[Segev Moran]

Since i think that most religious academia etc are wrong in various ways, does that make me objectively correct?

It depends why think they are wrong.
You will be objectively correct if your claims describes the objective reality.
So if you claim for example, evolution is true, then yes, you are more objective than subjective to the reality of humans "creation" process.

 

[Segev Moran]

Our objective truths are actually subjective. I call this necessary subjective. These words actually arent good for most instances in which theyre used.

Can you give an example of such a reality?
What about the earth being a spheroid?
wouldn't you consider it as objective reality?

 

[Segev Moran]

Our objective truths are actually subjective. I call this necessary subjective. These words actually arent good for most instances in which theyre used.

And i wasn't talking about truth, rather reality

 

[Segev Moran]

I'd take it a step further. I see subjective reality as the abstract patterns our brains assemble from sensory input -- rocks, movement, people, sound, &c.
Objective Reality would be relativistic/quantum Reality that flies in the face of ordinary experience and common sense.
No. We have to live in the world we perceive. People aren't going to start ignoring other people, objects, time and so on just because they realize intellectually that they're illusory.

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That's not what i meant.
I meant that if you learn for example that something works in a specific way, and contradicts ones subjective reality, would you say in the following generations, this subjective reality will be treated as such?
The obvious example can be the age of the earth.

 

[Segev Moran]

our subjective nature by way of thought and ideology, can manipulate the objective.

Can you provide an example please? I am not sure what you mean by that.

 

[Segev Moran]

Funny, I see it the other way the more when learn about supposed objective reality the more we understand it to be subjective. We as humans are made to make sense of a random environment finding patterns that make our lives easier and safer to live but on closest examination the patterns are actually false but even that false security helps us. Nothing we have defined can be explained 100%, until we can nothing is objective by definition.

What about the moon? wouldn't you say it is an objective reality?