Riders
Well-Known Member
Heres my source CBS news Mueller floated possible subpoena of Trump: Reports
Mueller may issue a subpeona for Trump
Mueller may issue a subpeona for Trump
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Subpeona for Trump
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tytlyf
Not Religious
Good, Trump doesn't have the brain power to understand what's going on. Thinks he's above the law and can do whatever he pleases.
Sorry Trump, your lawyers can't save you this time in your life.
I think it's obvious at this point that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia. I'll bet RW media is still lying to their audience about 'no evidence.'
Sorry Trump, your lawyers can't save you this time in your life.
I think it's obvious at this point that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia. I'll bet RW media is still lying to their audience about 'no evidence.'
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Move along. Nothing to see here.
What's your reasoning?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
What if scenarios are not very interesting. I'll wait for confirmed rather than possible.
Just a suggestion rather than click-baiting Subpoena for Trump, would probably be a good thing to say possible subpoena for Trump.
Just a suggestion rather than click-baiting Subpoena for Trump, would probably be a good thing to say possible subpoena for Trump.
Underhill
Well-Known Member
Just the opposite. You do not subpoena a sitting president without something strong in your pocket. Add to this the fact that the Russian attorney now admits she was an informant for Russia and you have a pretty cut and dry case for collusion.
Put it all together. We know Trumps team met with this lawyer to talk about dirt she (ie Russia) had on the Hillary campaign. And we now know that the lawyer was reporting to Russia. Literally the only thing we (the public) don't see evidence of is that Trump knew about the meeting. That is the only thing needed to prove collusion between Trump and the Russians.
Of course the fact that his team colluded alone would be enough to sink most politicians but Trump is teflon.
The late show played a clip of Trump at a rally that was pretty damn funny. Trump said,
"In fact, have you heard about the lawyer? For a year, a woman lawyer, she was like, 'Oh, I know nothing.' ... Now all of a sudden she supposedly is involved with government. You know why? If she did that, because Putin and the groups said, 'you know this Trump is killing us. Why don't you say that you're involved with government so that we could go and make their life in the United States even more chaotic.' Look at what's happened. Look at how these politicians have fallen for this junk. Russian collusion. Give me a break."
Freudian slip or what?
Trump is in a very real pickle here. If I were his lawyer, I would advise him sit down voluntarily with Mueller and just do the best that his 2 brain cells can do. If Mueller has to get a subpoena, it can only mean that Trump's lawyers plan to resist it, and thereby tie it up in court for months or into 2019. That prospect does not seem it would be helpful for getting Republicans elected in November; it will probably inspire more retirements of Republicans in Congress, all of which will only make things worse for Trump.
On the other hand, if I were Trump's lawyer and had more information than the public currently has about, say, quid pro quo efforts regarding Russian sanctions (as one of the leaked questions suggests) or other incriminating stuff, I would beg him to shut up and seriously consider resigning. After all, there is no reason to believe that he would succeed in killing a subpoena. It's unlikely that there are going to be any grand legislative victories during this court battle over a subpoena to just answer a few questions about what he knew about Manafort and Flynn trying to do a do a deal about sanctions, or what his reasons were for wanting to misrepresent the purpose of the Trump Tower meeting with the Russian informant.
On the other hand, if I were Trump's lawyer and had more information than the public currently has about, say, quid pro quo efforts regarding Russian sanctions (as one of the leaked questions suggests) or other incriminating stuff, I would beg him to shut up and seriously consider resigning. After all, there is no reason to believe that he would succeed in killing a subpoena. It's unlikely that there are going to be any grand legislative victories during this court battle over a subpoena to just answer a few questions about what he knew about Manafort and Flynn trying to do a do a deal about sanctions, or what his reasons were for wanting to misrepresent the purpose of the Trump Tower meeting with the Russian informant.
Stanyon
WWMRD?
We will see how it all pans out in the end, I stand by my assessment.
Riders
Well-Known Member
Well according to the web sight and news there is one specific question that's been leaked about Russian collusion cant remember but it was about Russian collusion. I do also know they said Mueller is saying there's definitly cause for Trump on obstruction because of firing of Comey FBI director.
On the other hand even though they said its boiling down to weather or not Mueller can get cause for impeachment they also said but the law says you remove a President from Office.
SO what I think is Mueller wants to have him impeached but weather or not others will buy it if he has enough proof or if he can even subpeona Trump I think its still up in the air.
In the end if he tries to subpeona Trump and also tries for impeachment but it doesn't work and he stays in office I still say its going to end up good for democrats. Ill be happy if a few of them including Mueller push for subpeona and impeachment even if it doesn't happen.
The more theres proof that he needs to be impeached if folks try to impeach him if Mueller does Ill be happy because that puts a lot of negativity on Trumo makes Republicans look bad. Hopfully that will help liberals like me but I'm a Libertarian not democrat but still voting for liberals to win at half time then hopfully get Trump out the next four years along with Pence and democrats in!
Ill be happy with that, surely if they try to impeach him him he won't be reelected.
On the other hand even though they said its boiling down to weather or not Mueller can get cause for impeachment they also said but the law says you remove a President from Office.
SO what I think is Mueller wants to have him impeached but weather or not others will buy it if he has enough proof or if he can even subpeona Trump I think its still up in the air.
In the end if he tries to subpeona Trump and also tries for impeachment but it doesn't work and he stays in office I still say its going to end up good for democrats. Ill be happy if a few of them including Mueller push for subpeona and impeachment even if it doesn't happen.
The more theres proof that he needs to be impeached if folks try to impeach him if Mueller does Ill be happy because that puts a lot of negativity on Trumo makes Republicans look bad. Hopfully that will help liberals like me but I'm a Libertarian not democrat but still voting for liberals to win at half time then hopfully get Trump out the next four years along with Pence and democrats in!
Ill be happy with that, surely if they try to impeach him him he won't be reelected.
I don't want Trump impeached.
I want his corrupt cronies and family indicted and stripped of the power they have, but I don't want President Pence.
Tom
Riders
Well-Known Member
That's would be nice too yes. I'd also like to have Trump impeached but if he can't impeach him it would be nice to get his son in for obstruction and or whatever they can get on him. Definitly he would not be reelected if his son is indicted but I think right its enough, regardless of what happens in the future I think liberals will when next term and half time.
But Id like to get as much done as we can, yea if its not possible to impeach him but we could get his son indicted that would be beautiful.
Actually there are several questions that touch on issues of "collusion" (whatever that is) or some kind of possible quid pro quo involving Russian sanctions, namely:
What is your knowledge of calls that Gen. Flynn made with [former Russian ambassador Sergei] Kislyak late December 2016?
What interaction and communication did you have with Michael Cohen, Felix Sater, and others, including foreign nationals, regarding real estate developments in Russia during the period of the campaign?
During a 2013 trip to Russia, what communication and relationships did you have with the Agalarovs and any Russian government officials?
What discussions did you have during the campaign regarding any meeting with Putin?
What discussions did you have during the campaign regarding US Sanctions toward Russia?
Did you discuss either meeting with Putin or US sanctions with others?
During the campaign, what knowledge or information did you have regarding Russian hacking, use of social media or other acts aimed at the campaign?
What knowledge did you have of any outreach by members or former members of your campaign to Russia offering potential assistance to the campaign? NOTE: specifically mentioned [Paul] Manafort.
What knowledge did you have during the Transition of an attempt to establish back channel communications to Russia and efforts by Jared Kushner regarding same?
What knowledge do you have of a 2017 meeting in Seychelles regarding Erik Prince of Blackwater?
What knowledge do you have of a Ukrainian peace proposal provided to Michael Cohen in 2017?
What interaction and communication did you have with Michael Cohen, Felix Sater, and others, including foreign nationals, regarding real estate developments in Russia during the period of the campaign?
During a 2013 trip to Russia, what communication and relationships did you have with the Agalarovs and any Russian government officials?
What discussions did you have during the campaign regarding any meeting with Putin?
What discussions did you have during the campaign regarding US Sanctions toward Russia?
Did you discuss either meeting with Putin or US sanctions with others?
During the campaign, what knowledge or information did you have regarding Russian hacking, use of social media or other acts aimed at the campaign?
What knowledge did you have of any outreach by members or former members of your campaign to Russia offering potential assistance to the campaign? NOTE: specifically mentioned [Paul] Manafort.
What knowledge did you have during the Transition of an attempt to establish back channel communications to Russia and efforts by Jared Kushner regarding same?
What knowledge do you have of a 2017 meeting in Seychelles regarding Erik Prince of Blackwater?
What knowledge do you have of a Ukrainian peace proposal provided to Michael Cohen in 2017?
Mueller's questions for Trump: Read the full list
Mueller does not decide whether or not to proceed with impeachment. He is investigating criminal activity, which, assuming he finds evidence of Trump's involvement, would certainly constitute the primary articles of impeachment if Congress decides to proceed. Specifically, the House impeaches, and the Senate tries and determines whether to remove the President from office.
Yes, my thoughts have been evolving in that direction. If nothing else, Pence is certainly more re-electable than Trump.
"Target," "subject" and "witness" in an investigation are terms of art that the DOJ has developed to classify people who are being scrutinized in an investigation. I believe I recall someone saying that Trump is not a target of the Mueller's investigation, he is a subject.
Riders
Well-Known Member
I want both of them out. But if Republicans come up with a better candidate then Trump and also Pence Ill consider it. As I said I'm a libertarian of course Id vote Libertarian but yes if you come up with someone pretty good I could be persuaded. But Trump and Pence el stinko.
Bush Id much rather have Bush back now then Trump.
Riders
Well-Known Member
CBS though said this morning that and it should be on that web sight that republicans were threatening to have him fired if Mueller didn't back off the investigation and Muluer told them to he would not back off.If thats true it would suggest Mueller has something on Trump pretty important.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Based on the constitutional lawyers I've been reading and listening to, Mueller may already be in the 4th quarter with time running out for Trump & Co. They say that Mueller is so thorough and has already an access to a mountain of information, including some that were in or are still in the Trump camp, he already likely knows what happened and who was involved.
There's a feeling that Mueller's report may come out maybe late in the summer or even before, and the fact that he's already trying to set up Trump to be interviewed is a logical sign that we're getting pretty close to the Grand Finale. Usually these investigators start with the lesser and gradually move up, and Trump is the head.
If I had to put money on this, I think Trump is in a world of trouble, but we'll have to see how this all plays out, and we could all too easy slip into a full-blown constitutional crisis before this is over.
There's a feeling that Mueller's report may come out maybe late in the summer or even before, and the fact that he's already trying to set up Trump to be interviewed is a logical sign that we're getting pretty close to the Grand Finale. Usually these investigators start with the lesser and gradually move up, and Trump is the head.
If I had to put money on this, I think Trump is in a world of trouble, but we'll have to see how this all plays out, and we could all too easy slip into a full-blown constitutional crisis before this is over.