Suicide

[zombieharlot]

(Before anyone worries, I am not suicidal)

But I was wondering why suicide is looked down upon so much. If you believe in hell and that suicide leads there, I can understand. But what about everyone else? Is suicide really all that bad?

 

[Bishka]

(Before anyone worries, I am not suicidal)

But I was wondering why suicide is looked down upon so much. If you believe in hell and that suicide leads there, I can understand. But what about everyone else? Is suicide really all that bad?

It is bad...but I don't really know what else I want to say on it.

 

[Bishka]

Strange enough, I was hitting a random page generator and came up with this:

Things to do Instead of Killing Yourself:

• rive in one direction until you reach the ocean.
• Say hello to everyone you pass during the day.
• Frown until your mouth muscles hurt (then see how much easier it is to smile.)
• Create your own alphabet.
• Start a scrapbook.
• Make something you invented or invent something you can make.
• Figure out if
  
  has no solution for non zero integers x, y, and z if n is an integer greater than two.
• Make a BLT.
• Work the crossword puzzle.
• Count backwards from 10 billion by 13s.
• Visit a yard sale.
• Put on some really comfortable shoes. Walk somewhere in them.
• Make something nice for someone and give it to them.
• Go see a movie. (See two or three in a row. You may have to make extended visits to the restroom between films.)
• Read The Lost Soul Companion.
• Make your own list of things to do instead of killing yourself (and then do them.)
• Organize your own mock funeral, invite family and friends, encourage them to eulogize you. (Tell them how you've really been feeling lately and see what happens.)
• Let someone proofread your suicide note.
• Build a fort.
• Meditate.
• Shampoo your hair. Repeat if desired.
• Create an elaborate hoax. (Try not to get arrested.)
• Get arrested.
• Blow the stink off!
• Sneak into a church. Enjoy the sunlight and quiet.
• Write me a letter. (Be assured of a hopeful reply.)
• Volunteer somewhere.
• Doodle.
• Enter a contest.
• Write a poem.
• Just breathe.
• Take a class.
• Finish something you started.
• Drink a cup of tea with sugar and milk if that's how you like it.
• Jump up and down on a big trampoline.
• Pray.
• Eat a tomato.
• Pet a kitty cat.
• Smoke a cigarette. (It's slower.)
• Answer your telephone the next time it rings. (I know you haven't been...)
• Ask a stranger for some good advice.
• Paint a mural.
• Start a garden.
• Do the dishes. (It's OK if you've let them pile up. Wash a couple of them at least.)
• Visit lostsoulcompanion.com.
• Rescue an animal.
• Take your loose change to the bank.
• Play some beautiful music.
• Ask an old person to tell you a story.
• Make yourself breakfast in bed.
• Eat cookies.
• Stare at clouds.
• Visit the maternity ward.
• Send flowers anonymously.
• Make a long to-do list. Do everything on it.
• Set a world record.
• Open the curtains.

 

[zombieharlot]

Strange enough, I was hitting a random page generator and came up with this:

Things to do Instead of Killing Yourself:

• rive in one direction until you reach the ocean.
• Say hello to everyone you pass during the day.
• Frown until your mouth muscles hurt (then see how much easier it is to smile.)
• Create your own alphabet.
• Start a scrapbook.
• Make something you invented or invent something you can make.
• Figure out if
  
  has no solution for non zero integers x, y, and z if n is an integer greater than two.
• Make a BLT.
• Work the crossword puzzle.
• Count backwards from 10 billion by 13s.
• Visit a yard sale.
• Put on some really comfortable shoes. Walk somewhere in them.
• Make something nice for someone and give it to them.
• Go see a movie. (See two or three in a row. You may have to make extended visits to the restroom between films.)
• Read The Lost Soul Companion.
• Make your own list of things to do instead of killing yourself (and then do them.)
• Organize your own mock funeral, invite family and friends, encourage them to eulogize you. (Tell them how you've really been feeling lately and see what happens.)
• Let someone proofread your suicide note.
• Build a fort.
• Meditate.
• Shampoo your hair. Repeat if desired.
• Create an elaborate hoax. (Try not to get arrested.)
• Get arrested.
• Blow the stink off!
• Sneak into a church. Enjoy the sunlight and quiet.
• Write me a letter. (Be assured of a hopeful reply.)
• Volunteer somewhere.
• Doodle.
• Enter a contest.
• Write a poem.
• Just breathe.
• Take a class.
• Finish something you started.
• Drink a cup of tea with sugar and milk if that's how you like it.
• Jump up and down on a big trampoline.
• Pray.
• Eat a tomato.
• Pet a kitty cat.
• Smoke a cigarette. (It's slower.)
• Answer your telephone the next time it rings. (I know you haven't been...)
• Ask a stranger for some good advice.
• Paint a mural.
• Start a garden.
• Do the dishes. (It's OK if you've let them pile up. Wash a couple of them at least.)
• Visit lostsoulcompanion.com.
• Rescue an animal.
• Take your loose change to the bank.
• Play some beautiful music.
• Ask an old person to tell you a story.
• Make yourself breakfast in bed.
• Eat cookies.
• Stare at clouds.
• Visit the maternity ward.
• Send flowers anonymously.
• Make a long to-do list. Do everything on it.
• Set a world record.
• Open the curtains.

These things may help for a brief period, but inherent sadness quickly succeeds them anyway.

 

[Bishka]

These things may help for a brief period, but inherent sadness quickly succeeds them anyway.

I know that...I've been suicidal many times in my life. I know what it is like. How down you can get, how utterly desperate you are to end that suffering, that lonliness, that sadness.

I know how it feels, both ways in fact.

 

[standing_alone]

Is suicide really all that bad?

Though it can be considered bad because it can be sad and tragic often times, I really don't think of suicide as that bad of a thing. I believe that it is something everyone has a right to, whether they desire to exercise that right or not. Hell, for some, suicide might even be a good thing, depending on their life situation.

 

[zombieharlot]

Though it can be considered bad because it can be sad and tragic often times, I really don't think of suicide as that bad of a thing. I believe that it is something everyone has a right to, whether they desire to exercise that right or not. Hell, for some, suicide might even be a good thing, depending on their life situation.

But why don't you believe it to be a bad thing?

 

[standing_alone]

But why don't you believe it to be a bad thing?

I guess because I just see it as people making a decision as to what they feel is best for themselves, whether I feel it is the best option or not is irrelavant.

 

[michel]

(Before anyone worries, I am not suicidal)

But I was wondering why suicide is looked down upon so much. If you believe in hell and that suicide leads there, I can understand. But what about everyone else? Is suicide really all that bad?

I can understand your confusion here. As a great advocate of suicide (or at least the right to decide for oneself if suicide is an option, as a 'personal right'), I can only conclude that I am as ham-fisted in that aspect, as I am in all walks of life. It's not for want of trying...........

a) I don't believe in Hell (yes, I know, and I call myself 'a follower of Christ').........but I don't. (believe in Hell, that is).

The only really negative thing about suicide is the effect it has on relatives and friends of the suicidal.

I have had that drummed so hard into my thick skull, that I now know that I have to put other's feelings before my own.

I think that suicide ought to be a human right.

 

[zombieharlot]

I guess because I just see it as people making a decision as to what they feel is best for themselves, whether I feel it is the best option or not is irrelavant.

But having a right to something and it being the best option are two different things. If it isn't the best option, wouldn't that make it a bad thing?

 

[michel]

I know that...I've been suicidal many times in my life. I know what it is like. How down you can get, how utterly desperate you are to end that suffering, that lonliness, that sadness.

I know how it feels, both ways in fact.

That is so sad, Becky; I am truly sorry. If ever you need a chat..............

 

[standing_alone]

If it isn't the best option, wouldn't that make it a bad thing?

No. It just makes it another option. I guess it's like this: To me, I may not think suicide is the best option. To the suicidal person, it may be the best option in that person's opinion. "Best" options are subjective (seems "best" options are always that which the person claiming what is the "best" option would do in a given situation and not really some sort of superior or ultimate option), so it shouldn't even be used as a measuring stick anyway, looking at it more now. Also, just because something is an option, but perhaps not the "best" option, doesn't mean it's automatically a bad option.

 

[zombieharlot]

I can understand your confusion here. As a great advocate of suicide (or at least the right to decide for oneself if suicide is an option, as a 'personal right'), I can only conclude that I am as ham-fisted in that aspect, as I am in all walks of life. It's not for want of trying...........

a) I don't believe in Hell (yes, I know, and I call myself 'a follower of Christ').........but I don't. (believe in Hell, that is).

The only really negative thing about suicide is the effect it has on relatives and friends of the suicidal.

I have had that drummed so hard into my thick skull, that I now know that I have to put other's feelings before my own.

I think that suicide ought to be a human right.

No need to explain your "a)" category. I've read some of your posts in the past regarding that, so I understand (vaguely, as it hasn't exactly stayed intact with my memory).

But why should it effect relatives so badly? If someone is in THAT much pain and misery, why not celebrate it in a light that they have found peace?

 

[zombieharlot]

No. It just makes it another option. I guess it's like this: To me, I may not think suicide is the best option. To the suicidal person, it may be the best option in that person's opinion. "Best" options are subjective (seems "best" options are always that which the person claiming what is the "best" option would do in a given situation and not really some sort of superior or ultimate option), so it shouldn't even be used as a measuring stick anyway, looking at it more now. Also, just because something is an option, but perhaps not the "best" option, doesn't mean it's automatically a bad option.

Not only in regards to suicide, but in everything, what makes something a "bad" option? Or is all of that relative and subjective too?

 

[ChrisP]

I don't see it as bad. Extremely selfish maybe. There are people who care about you and if you want to remove yourself from their lives I suppose that's your choice.

 

[standing_alone]

Not only in regards to suicide, but in everything, what makes something a "bad" option? Or is all of that relative and subjective too?

At the moment, I am inclined to say it is all subjective. What I think is bad, others think is good and what I think is good, others think is bad. Therefore, how can one option be better, unless there is some ultimate option, which I don't see there being for anything. An option is good for you as you see it as good, just as an option is bad for you as you see it as bad, I suppose.

 

[standing_alone]

I don't see it as bad. Extremely selfish maybe. There are people who care about you and if you want to remove yourself from their lives I suppose that's your choice.

Yes, because every decision we make in life should always revolve around what others want and never on what we feel is best for ourselves.

Perhaps suicide is somewhat "selfish," but sometimes decisions have to be made on what is best for the self, not what will be best for the sensibilities of others. Perhaps it is selfish of those that "care" to want the suicidal to live, even if life is too painful for them, just so they don't have to be upset over a death. Just an idea.

 

[zombieharlot]

I don't see it as bad. Extremely selfish maybe. There are people who care about you and if you want to remove yourself from their lives I suppose that's your choice.

Flipping that around, wouldn't it be selfish for someone to not let someone else go?

 

[Fluffy]

I don't consider suicide to be morally wrong. I would be upset if someone I cared about committed suicide but at the end of the day I would see this emotion as a product of my failure to help them find another way. I would not consider blaming them for my suffering.

Edit: I consider all actions to be "selfish" and suicide to be equal in selfishness to every other act.

 

[michel]

I don't see it as bad. Extremely selfish maybe. There are people who care about you and if you want to remove yourself from their lives I suppose that's your choice.

In my case, the last two attempts were a form of 'gift' to my family. Honestly.

I see myself as being pretty useless in life; I live off a cocktail of drugs, contribute nothing, and (being agrophobic) make my family's life pretty miserable by never wanting to go out or 'Have fun' (whatever having fun is; I have forgotten)


I thought that my wife was still young enough to find herself a much more 'presentable, useful and 'fun' husband; I also thought that my sons would be old enough to understand. They know the way I think, and they are now forging their own lives; I thought, again, that I would be doing them a favour by having the opportunity to have a better 'new' Dad.