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Suicide

zombieharlot

Some Kind of Strange
beckysoup61 said:
Unless you've been there and done that, I don't think that you can really understand what is going through our heads.

Is there anyone in particular that you're directing this too? It seems to me that most everyone has been there and done that.



And to everyone: I simply want to know what people's thoughts are on the matter if hell doesn't exist. If I wasn't so scared of hell back when I was suicidal, I may have done it. Would the aftermath have been so bad for me if hell doesn't exist?
 

ChrisP

Veteran Member
zombieharlot said:
Is there anyone in particular that you're directing this too? It seems to me that most everyone has been there and done that.
Not quite everyone, but you're right. I've only met 2 people in my life who I can say without a doubt have never considered suicide (yet). :D

Wow this is a lovely lovely topic.
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
zombieharlot said:
Is there anyone in particular that you're directing this too? It seems to me that most everyone has been there and done that.


I've known quite abit, there are actual people out there (my husband for instance) that have never had a sucidal thought run through there head. I envy them.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
YmirGF said:
As you read this my dad is lying in his bed slowly committing suicide. You see, dear old dad has given up his will to live. This is incredibly difficult for my mom to say the least as she feels cheated in the "golden years" of her life to have the person she has loved since she was 16 is already, no longer there. (They are both 74 and were high-school sweethearts.)

A wonderful Baptist minister I knew when I was that age described death as being like a walnut. With death, the nut is gone and the shell remains. I recounted this to my mom a few days ago as she cried to me on the phone about how aweful it all was to go through. I gently told her "the nut" she fell in love with has already left and what she has now is a mere shell of his former self. That might sound cold, but the Dad lying in that bed is not the Dad I remembers so fondly and so well. You must understand that technically there is no medical reason WHY he cannot get up and "make the best of a crappy situation". The simple fact is, he simply does not WANT to.

I think my dad blames medical science for keeping him alive. That is my gut feeling as without medical science he would have died several years ago. The simple fact is that his QUALITY of life was so radically altered that he never did get his "second wind" and make the "best of it". So now, he is atrophied, with no life threatening condition, but just a feeling that it is all unfair. He doesn't WANT to be here any longer and sadly, I have accepted that. It is quite impossible to change his mind, well... when his is conherent of course. The drug combo he is on make him a little loopy, add to that anti-depressants and well... it really cannot be any fun at all.

I have come to accept the fact that he cannot "make it back" and so he just lies there getting weaker by the day. I have begun to prepare for the inevitable and only a miracle COULD change his attitudes at this juncture in time. I just hope Mom is strong enough to cope.

Let's put it this way... we would never let a dog or cat or horse suffer... and for the life of me I cannot understand why we insist on making those we love suffer... just to eek out a few more days in misery. I may very well turn into a believer in Euthenasia over this whole ordeal. Like, if he were to go into cadiac arrest right now... the call would be made... a rush to the hospital... and they would try to keep him going, at ANY cost. I can only sit here and wonder why.

Thanks largely to Jayhawker, who suggested I write my heart out about how I felt until there was nothing left to say... and then destroy those words... I am now "good" with this and my dad's plight. I realized the only reason I wanted him to continue were in fact my own selfish reasons. You see, I have 5 decades of happy memories already and frankly that is a lot more than most have been blessed with.

I hope no one thinks I am cold and unfeeling in saying all this, but I do think, that in some cases, when the pain is just too much, then there is no harm in such a final solution.

You see, I am your eteral optimist, but if I had to switch places with my dad, I would pray for a quick painless end. Nothing is forever, except perhaps the love and the fond memories.

And thank you Dawn for your prayers, but now perhaps it is time to pray for a speedy resolution. I don't think it is going to be very much longer anyways. I hope for my Mom's sake, that it is not.
Paul,

I'm not even going to try to come up with the perfect platitude because I know there isn't one. I just want you to know I'm thinking of you. My dad was sick for a long time before he died, but he never gave up his will to live, so it was a little different for him. You say that if he were to go into cardiac arrest, the doctors would try to keep him alive at any cost. It doesn't have to be this way, does it? Doesn't he have some sort of a living will? Or would your mom insist that he be kept alive regardless of what it took? See, in the end, that's what happened with my dad. They could have kept him alive and all hooked up to machines, but he didn't want that and neither did my mom, my sister or I. Consequently, his actual passing was with dignity and grace. I hope your dad at least will be permitted to go that way.
 

retrorich

SUPER NOT-A-MOD
zombieharlot said:
But having a right to something and it being the best option are two different things. If it isn't the best option, wouldn't that make it a bad thing?
I believe people have the right to decide for themselves whether suicide is the best option for them. If they decide that it is the best option, then it is not a bad thing.

FREE DOCTOR KEVORKIAN!!!
 

retrorich

SUPER NOT-A-MOD
Melody said:
When you are physically healthy, suicide is selfish.
Not true.
I am so tired of hearing about how someone was in so much pain they needed to end it all. A good majority of these people never sought help, tried medications or tried changing their attitude by getting up and moving and focusing on something else instead of themselves. How many times have we heard or read (when a teen committed suicide), "I had no clue there was a problem."?
If the only help a person desires is professionally assisted suicide, that help should be available.
As for why should we care whether someone commits suicide....because they are not in a fit frame to decide what is best for them.
How do you know?
All they can see is this narrow little world where death is the only option. It rarely is.
That is for the person involved to decide.

FREE DR. KEVORKIAN!!!
 
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