Supernatural

[Jimmy]

When I think of something that’s supernatural in the natural world the only thing I can think of is infinite space. It’s the only thing that even comes close to being supernatural. So am I supposed to believe that this is the only supernatural thing in existence? I think not. As you may know, I believe that all of existence falls and rises with the death and birth of one individual on earth and repeats itself in an infinite cycle. This person is the second thing that is supernatural in the natural world imo. Only one supernatural thing seems a bit off, don’t you think? Infinite space is unruly and needs an anchor. It needs this human being for order and self-awareness imo.

 

[Soandso]

If infinite space (which I'm not sure is actually the way space works) is a part of the natural world, how can it be super natural? It's a part of nature

 

[Jimmy]

If infinite space (which I'm not sure is actually the way space works) is a part of the natural world, how can it be super natural? It's a part of nature

One definition of supernatural is departing from what is usual or normal especially so as to appear to transcend the laws of nature.

Eh, I think it qualifies, but you’re welcome to disagree.

 

[Soandso]

One definition of supernatural is departing from what is usual or normal especially so as to appear to transcend the laws of nature.

Eh, I think it qualifies, but you’re welcome to disagree.

Why do you think it would transcend nature if it's a part of nature? What about it is transcendent?

 

[Jimmy]

Why do you think it would transcend nature if it's a part of nature? What about it is transcendent?

The definition of transcend is to be or go beyond the range or limits of (something abstract, typically a conceptual field or division).

So it’s transcending nature by going beyond the limits of nature. The fact that it can never be measured gives it a transcendent quality.
Again, you’re welcome to disagree.

 

[Soandso]

The definition of transcend is to be or go beyond the range or limits of (something abstract, typically a conceptual field or division).

So it’s transcending nature by going beyond the limits of nature. The fact that it can never be measured gives it a transcendent quality.
Again, you’re welcome to disagree.

How do you know what the limits of nature are, though? What we understand about nature as a species is extremely limited. Just because we don't hold all the answers right now for why certain things are the way they are doesn't mean anything beyond our limited knowledge is automatically "supernatural," it just means we are ignorant to how they work within the natural world and can discover them at a future date

Take lightning, for instance. At one time certain humans believed lightning bolts were supernatural spears thrown by Zeus. Now we know better and have been able to identify them as natural phenomenon

All that said, as far as I'm aware space is very big but it isn't necessarily infinite; especially if the Big bang is true. There's nothing that indicates that space is infinite

 

[Jimmy]

How do you know what the limits of nature are, though? What we understand about nature as a species is extremely limited. Just because we don't hold all the answers right now for why certain things are the way they are doesn't mean anything beyond our limited knowledge is automatically "supernatural," it just means we are ignorant to how they work within the natural world and can discover them at a future date

Take lightning, for instance. At one time certain humans believed lightning bolts were supernatural spears thrown by Zeus. Now we know better and have been able to identify them as natural phenomenon

All that said, as far as I'm aware space is very big but it isn't necessarily infinite; especially if the Big bang is true. There's nothing that indicates that space is infinite

I don’t think infinite space will ever be explained at a future date and I also think space is infinite. Like I said, you’re welcome to disagree.

 

[Soandso]

I don’t think infinite space will ever be explained at a future date and I also think space is infinite. Like I said, you’re welcome to disagree.

I'm not sure what you're trying to debate then if you aren't interested in defending your position

The concept in the OP is interesting, but everyone has beliefs whether they are true or not. What about the points I bring up can you defend in your position? What makes your position true?

 

[Jimmy]

I'm not sure what you're trying to debate then if you aren't interested in defending your position

The concept in the OP is interesting, but everyone has beliefs whether they are true or not. What about the points I bring up can you defend in your position? What makes your position true?

I have defended my position. You’ve asked questions and I’ve gave you answers. What more do you want?

 

[soulsurvivor]

As you may know, I believe that all of existence falls and rises with the death and birth of one individual on earth and repeats itself in an infinite cycle.

Just out of curiosity, where did you get this strange idea (which book or person or a dream)?

There are at least 100 billion galaxies with maybe 100 billion stars each and each star may have on average 10 planets. So how many planets are there in the universe? I have difficulty multiplying billions.

Anyway, Chat-GPT says 'the total number of planets in the observable universe could be on the order of 10^24 or more' . Why would the existence of the universe depend on one individual from an obscure planet like Earth which is one among 10^24 other planets?

 

[Jimmy]

Just out of curiosity, where did you get this strange idea (which book or person or a dream)?

There are at least 100 billion galaxies with maybe 100 billion stars each and each star may have on average 10 planets. So how many planets are there in the universe? I have difficulty multiplying billions.

Anyway, Chat-GPT says 'the total number of planets in the observable universe could be on the order of 10^24 or more' . Why would the existence of the universe depend on one individual from an obscure planet like Earth which is one among 10^24 other planets?

15 years ago, as I was contemplating the nature of existence I felt the presence of this individual and was enlightened to his nature.

Like I said in my opening statement, infinite space is unruly and needs an anchor. It needs this human being for order and self-awareness. Furthermore, I sense that earth is the only planet in existence with life.

 

[Twilight Hue]

When I think of something that’s supernatural in the natural world the only thing I can think of is infinite space. It’s the only thing that even comes close to being supernatural. So am I supposed to believe that this is the only supernatural thing in existence? I think not. As you may know, I believe that all of existence falls and rises with the death and birth of one individual on earth and repeats itself in an infinite cycle. This person is the second thing that is supernatural in the natural world imo. Only one supernatural thing seems a bit off, don’t you think? Infinite space is unruly and needs an anchor. It needs this human being for order and self-awareness imo.

I don't understand this one person thing you go on about. It just dosent make any sense whatsoever.

The existence of the universe dosent rely entirely on one organic creature living on one insignificant pale blue dot out in the vast expanse of the cosmos.

 

[shunyadragon]

When I think of something that’s supernatural in the natural world the only thing I can think of is infinite space. It’s the only thing that even comes close to being supernatural. So am I supposed to believe that this is the only supernatural thing in existence? I think not. As you may know, I believe that all of existence falls and rises with the death and birth of one individual on earth and repeats itself in an infinite cycle. This person is the second thing that is supernatural in the natural world imo. Only one supernatural thing seems a bit off, don’t you think? Infinite space is unruly and needs an anchor. It needs this human being for order and self-awareness imo.

You need to define what you mean by infinite space, because your terminology is not science. The nature of our physical existence is potentially infinite. The nature of our physical existence is best described as 'boundless. The nature of our universe is very natural.

In summary, Stephen Hawking's work has shown that time is boundless in both directions, both forwards and backwards. This means that the universe never had a "beginning" and will never have an "end." Apr 25, 2019 #

Reference: Is the age of the Universe "boundless"?

 

[Jimmy]

I don't understand this one person thing you go on about. It just dosent make any sense whatsoever.

The existence of the universe dosent rely entirely on one organic creature living on one insignificant pale blue dot out in the vast expanse of the cosmos.

I don’t really understand it either but I accept it.

 

[Jimmy]

You need to define what you mean by infinite space, because your terminology is not science. The nature of our physical existence is potentially infinite. The nature of our physical existence is best described as 'boundless. The nature of our universe is very natural.

In summary, Stephen Hawking's work has shown that time is boundless in both directions, both forwards and backwards. This means that the universe never had a "beginning" and will never have an "end." Apr 25, 2019 #

Reference: Is the age of the Universe "boundless"?

I think the words infinite space mean exactly that. I believe the nature of our physical existence is infinite. I think infinite space is supernatural. I also believe the beginning and end of our universe coincide with one humans birth and death. It’s totally cool if you disagree.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I don’t really understand it either but I accept it.

Different beliefs is what makes life interesting after all.

 

[Jimmy]

Different beliefs is what makes life interesting after all.

I agree

 

[Jimmy]

Different beliefs is what makes life interesting after all.

There’s a lot of similarities in the different beliefs though.

 

[Twilight Hue]

There’s a lot of similarities in the different beliefs though.

There's a project then. Occupies ones mind.

Even if not true it keeps the grey matter working on one's personal passion.

 

[McBell]

There’s a lot of similarities in the different beliefs though.

I agree.
the thing is, it is not the similarities that are causing the problems/issues between different beliefs.
It is the differences.