Superstition vs Faith

[waitasec]

Refute it? I accept it as a small part of the entirely of faith. A very small part.

john 3:16 isn't a small part...written well after everything had happened, btw

I didn't. Re-read the post carefully this time.

you called me a bigot...apologize.

Just as bad is the bigotry towards those of faith. That you would condemn the one and support the other speaks volumes about you as a person.

tell me, what does it say?

Of course I do. It's the fallacy of special pleading. If x is a subset of y, then not all of y must be x. In this case, x (blind faith) is quite uncommon.

point out the x and y of my argument. i have always been speaking about a particular faith...blind faith.

Hebrews 1 isn't referencing blind faith, it's referencing revealed faith and there's a huge difference.

heb 11:1
Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. 2 This is what the ancients were commended for.

and those who flew into the WTC were commended for their faith too...
see how that works?

Hebrews 11:13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. NIV

How did they "see" the things promised? That's the difference between physical and spiritual sight. God has revealed himself to me and I'm way OK with that.

so faith isn't believing in what is unseen?

do you even know what you are saying?

 

[Thief]

if faith isn't false, how can superstition be?
I mean, come on, neither requires proof....

One requires a flow of thought and feeling.
The other does not.

I suppose you can't tell the difference.
I know one other who can't.

 

[McBell]

One requires a flow of thought and feeling.
The other does not.

Says who?
You?
Gonna have to do better than that...

I suppose you can't tell the difference.
I know one other who can't.

You assume to much.
Not that that is any surprise.

 

[NIX]

It seems that faith usually has to do with personas, as gods or people. You have faith in (a) god, faith in your loved one, faith in yourself. Sometimes also faith in a higher good, like Justice (which humans also like to personify. Lady liberty, the goddess Matt, etc)

Superstition usually refers to an isolated incidental happening, or object proper. Break a mirror, step on a crack, walk under a ladder.... The lucky charm or rabbit's foot does come a bit closer to faith, but these are talismans as opposed to events or syncronicities. Talismans seem to make their way into all areas and walks of human life. Our society largely depends on them.

 

[NIX]

I think faith usually tends to be more concerned with ideals, superstition moreso with incidentals and (otherwise) ordinary things and occurances.

Active superstition (like throwing or sprinkling salt) looks an awful lot like Ritual and Rite. If it is symbolic in nature, it is more akin to magic than faith proper.

 

[Thief]

Says who?
You?
Gonna have to do better than that...


You assume to much.
Not that that is any surprise.

You can do better than this...make a statement, take a stance.

 

[Thief]

It seems that faith usually has to do with personas, as gods or people. You have faith in (a) god, faith in your loved one, faith in yourself. Sometimes also faith in a higher good, like Justice (which humans also like to personify. Lady liberty, the goddess Matt, etc)

Superstition usually refers to an isolated incidental happening, or object proper. Break a mirror, step on a crack, walk under a ladder.... The lucky charm or rabbit's foot does come a bit closer to faith, but these are talismans as opposed to events or syncronicities. Talismans seem to make their way into all areas and walks of human life. Our society largely depends on them.

I would agree...but here is the line...from a post earlier in this thread...
I quote myself.

Superstition is a practice of the hand as if to influence the world around you.
It is not necessarily effective.
The earmark is typically the lack of connection between this world and the effect the practitioner desires.

So of course there's a crossover between religion and superstition.

I believe washing of the body has no effect about removing sin.
The practice is a superstition.

I believe repetitious prayer is superstitious.

I believe rituals are superstitious. Special garments and incense have no effect about drawing the attention of heaven....to you.

I could go on.

Oddly though, I do 'feel' good about wearing rings with crosses on them.
And so....though I refrain ritual and repeated prayer....
I don't over look how the other person feels.

Perhaps the practice is all they can really do....for themselves and others.
I say, if the intention is selfless and the desire for help is there....

Let there be prayer.
(end quote)

The act of superstition is thorough in most religions.
I dropped such things a long time ago.

Still, to turn your attention to heaven and pray...is not superstitious.

 

[NIX]

I would agree...but here is the line...from a post earlier in this thread...
I quote myself.

Superstition is a practice of the hand as if to influence the world around you.
It is not necessarily effective.
The earmark is typically the lack of connection between this world and the effect the practitioner desires.

So of course there's a crossover between religion and superstition.

I believe washing of the body has no effect about removing sin.
The practice is a superstition.

I believe repetitious prayer is superstitious.

I believe rituals are superstitious. Special garments and incense have no effect about drawing the attention of heaven....to you.

I could go on.

Oddly though, I do 'feel' good about wearing rings with crosses on them.
And so....though I refrain ritual and repeated prayer....
I don't over look how the other person feels.

Perhaps the practice is all they can really do....for themselves and others.
I say, if the intention is selfless and the desire for help is there....

Let there be prayer.
(end quote)

The act of superstition is thorough in most religions.
I dropped such things a long time ago.

Still, to turn your attention to heaven and pray...is not superstitious.

Perhaps this 'refraining' is the result of your own brand of superstition?

 

[Thief]

Perhaps this 'refraining' is the result of your own brand of superstition?

Nay.
I recognize an effective technique when I see one.
I refrain the techniques that fail.

For now, 'proving the act of prayer' (especially over a keyboard)
would be a less than effective technique.

 

[NIX]

Nay.
I recognize an effective technique when I see one.
I refrain the techniques that fail.

For now, 'proving the act of prayer' (especially over a keyboard)
would be a less than effective technique.

I was just pointing out that it's an entirely possible scenario.

Superstition has little to do with technique. Neither does faith. Technique lies more in the realm of magic (and ritual in general).

 

[McBell]

You can do better than this...make a statement, take a stance.

I have taken a stance.
It just happens to be one you dislike.

 

[waitasec]

You can do better than this...make a statement, take a stance.

the irony... :foot:
make a statement and take a stand, thief....
what is the difference between your faith and superstition...
come on theif, make that leap of faith.

 

[Thief]

the irony... :foot:
make a statement and take a stand, thief....
what is the difference between your faith and superstition...
come on theif, make that leap of faith.

I've done so repeatedly....
Go back take you pick of postings....be sure to pick one of content.

THEN make a stance of your own.

All you ever do is troll......

 

[waitasec]

I've done so repeatedly....

no you didn't...

 

[Thief]

Here you go...again.
I think this is the third time this has appeared.

I did scan this thread and maybe I missed it.....

Superstition is a practice of the hand as if to influence the world around you.
It is not necessarily effective.
The earmark is typically the lack of connection between this world and the effect the practitioner desires.

So of course there's a crossover between religion and superstition.

I believe washing of the body has no effect about removing sin.
The practice is a superstition.

I believe repetitious prayer is superstitious.

I believe rituals are superstitious. Special garments and incense have no effect about drawing the attention of heaven....to you.

I could go on.

Oddly though, I do 'feel' good about wearing rings with crosses on them.
And so....though I refrain ritual and repeated prayer....
I don't over look how the other person feels.

Perhaps the practice is all they can really do....for themselves and others.
I say, if the intention is selfless and the desire for help is there....

Let there be prayer.

 

[McBell]

Here you go...again.
I think this is the third time this has appeared.

and it still doe snot not explain how your belief in god is any different than superstition.
In fact, if you replace the word "superstition" in that blog with the word "faith" it changes nothing.

Care to try again?

 

[Thief]

and it still doe snot not explain how your belief in god is any different than superstition.
In fact, if you replace the word "superstition" in that blog with the word "faith" it changes nothing.

Care to try again?

You're just being stubborn.
Show to me how your sense of superstition is applicable.