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Suppression of Free Speech on Covid

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Tell that to the doctors who had to put bodies in refrigerated trailers because they were dying to fast because they didn't even have enough beds to treat them as well as they could.

There is plenty of hard evidence and it is not in the hands of the deniers.
Didn't happen anywhere close to where I lived. Sorry. Did it happen where you live? I fell and shattered my right elbow so I needed a titanium replacement (good times) and they had to open up an entire wing of the hospital for me and they were NOT happy about that, believe me. I got terrible service for the record.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
Didn't happen anywhere close to where I lived. Sorry. Did it happen where you live? I fell and shattered my right elbow so I needed a titanium replacement (good times) and they had to open up an entire wing of the hospital for me and they were NOT happy about that, believe me. I got terrible service for the record.
Oh yeah and we took the spacing and stay at home seriously and slowed the spread way down such that it took a long time to get to much of Texas. In the meantime we would have sporadic outbreaks almost all related to people coming back from higher infection areas or after school breaks. The University set up a whole dorm for isolation so that sick roomates could be isolated from their healthy cohorts.
It was very definitely real. The first Covid deaths in the county were actually patients that had transferred from other hospitals downstate due to overcrowding.

that said, the isolation worked well enough that many rural areas were never really even exposed and understandably questioned the need for some of the measures,
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Oh yeah and we took the spacing and stay at home seriously and slowed the spread way down such that it took a long time to get to much of Texas. In the meantime we would have sporadic outbreaks almost all related to people coming back from higher infection areas or after school breaks. The University set up a whole dorm for isolation so that sick roomates could be isolated from their healthy cohorts.
It was very definitely real. The first Covid deaths in the county were actually patients that had transferred from other hospitals downstate due to overcrowding.

that said, the isolation worked well enough that many rural areas were never really even exposed and understandably questioned the need for some of the measures,
I'm so sorry that you experienced that. I did not live in a rural area - I lived in Tyler, TX (around 200,000 people and actually less than 2 hours from Dallas) which is a medical hub for East Texas. and frankly we never had any sort of experience like the one you are describing. I only knew one person in fact, who actually died of COVID, and she had five immunizations against it. And this was around three years after the start of everything.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Tell that to the doctors who had to put bodies in refrigerated trailers because they were dying to fast because they didn't even have enough beds to treat them as well as they could.

Didn't happen anywhere close to where I lived.

It happened here big time as I mentioned earlier as s.e. Michigan was hit early and hard with a death rate only slightly behind the NYC and their nearby New Jersey cities. In a hospital 1 mile from my home, the hospital brought in refrigerator trucks and outside tents to help handle those infected and dead, and there were not enough ventilators to handle the load. This is why we acted so quickly to get the vaccines when they came out, and Canada wanted them so bad that there was talk about an exchange in the Detroit/Windsor tunnel. However, that would violate international law.

I have a niece who had it in 2020, and she does not have her taste and smell restored. Church and synagogue services went on-line here, and even our family gatherings were heavily restricted. We almost lost an anti-vaxer friend earlier this year as she was hospitalized for around 3 weeks.

IOW, "horrific" doesn't even cover how nasty it got here.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
It happened here big time as I mentioned earlier as s.e. Michigan was hit early and hard with a death rate only slightly behind the NYC and their nearby New Jersey cities. In a hospital 1 mile from my home, the hospital brought in refrigerator trucks and outside tents to help handle those infected and dead, and there were not enough ventilators to handle the load. This is why we acted so quickly to get the vaccines when they came out, and Canada wanted them so bad that there was talk about an exchange in the Detroit/Windsor tunnel. However, that would violate international law.

I have a niece who had it in 2020, and she does not have her taste and smell restored. Church and synagogue services went on-line here, and even our family gatherings were heavily restricted. We almost lost an anti-vaxer friend earlier this year as she was hospitalized for around 3 weeks.

IOW, "horrific" doesn't even cover how nasty it got here.
I'm amazed or maybe I am not at the basic lack of understanding all of the elements of math and science that go into making rational decisions. Yes we do make value of life decisions on a monetary basis, how much pollution is allowed etc, but out right denying evidence is a whole nother problem.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I'm amazed or maybe I am not at the basic lack of understanding all of the elements of math and science that go into making rational decisions. Yes we do make value of life decisions on a monetary basis, how much pollution is allowed etc, but out right denying evidence is a whole nother problem.

Amen.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
I am from Holland. On RF most are from USA, there they seem to trust their billionaires to be unselfishly doing this global mass vaccination.

They don't think twice, it seems, when the headlines in the news mentions that the same billionaires made extra tens of billions thanks to their vaccination forcing on the world (forced it was, by instilling fear, chaos, anger and then quickly, because all were busy beeing to scared to revolt, push all the new rules.

Code:
How much do Bill Gates earn per hour?
Bill Gates

According to Bloomberg, his net worth increased by $9.28 billion over the last 12 months, which comes out to around $44.6 million per hour.

Funny fact...I make a mistake OR bug in RF OR the money facts on Gates are censored (missing above="increased by $9.28 billion over the last 12 months, which comes out to around $44.6 million per hour; spoiler below has no bug? and just shows us these facts)
How much do Bill Gates earn per hour?
Bill Gates

According to Bloomberg, his net worth increased by $9.28 billion over the last 12 months, which comes out to around $44.6 million per hour.

Simple math and economics. Gates earnstakes the billions from all of us. Money doesn't fall out of the sky, someone has to pay for it. Very Adharmic (unrighteous), his behavior
Bill Gates? Oh boy. :facepalm:
 

Ebionite

Well-Known Member
“It was wild. It was just wild. They had to do it. They had to discredit ivermectin because, you know why? Because there’s a federal law. The Federal Emergency Use Authorization statute says that you cannot cancel you cannot issue an emergency use authorization to a vaccine if there is an existing medication that has been approved for any purpose that it is demonstrated effective against the target illness. So they had to destroy ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and discredit. And they had to tell everybody it’s not effective because if they had acknowledged that it’s effective in anybody. The whole $200 billion vaccine enterprise would have collapsed.” ~ RFK Jr interviewed by Joe Rogan
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
“It was wild. It was just wild. They had to do it. They had to discredit ivermectin because, you know why? Because there’s a federal law. The Federal Emergency Use Authorization statute says that you cannot cancel you cannot issue an emergency use authorization to a vaccine if there is an existing medication that has been approved for any purpose that it is demonstrated effective against the target illness. So they had to destroy ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and discredit. And they had to tell everybody it’s not effective because if they had acknowledged that it’s effective in anybody. The whole $200 billion vaccine enterprise would have collapsed.” ~ RFK Jr interviewed by Joe Rogan
Once again, you've chosen an extremely poor source of information.

A conspiracy-minded individual with absolutely zero expertise on the subject matter, just spouting off on things he knows nothing about to another guy who knows nothing about anything.

VERSUS The findings of science. "They" told us it's not an effective treatment for COVID because it's not an effective treatment for COVID.


Hmmm, who to choose ,.... .? :rolleyes:
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
We found that 73.9% of deaths were directly due to or significantly contributed to by COVID-19 vaccination.

Our data suggest a high likelihood of a causal link between COVID-19 vaccination and death.


"On 5 July 2023, a manuscript titled “A systematic review of autopsy findings in deaths after COVID-19 vaccination” was uploaded to the Social Science Research Network (SSRN), a preprint server associated with The Lancet. The review analyzed autopsy reports of people vaccinated against COVID-19, concluding that 73.9% of those deaths were “directly due to or significantly contributed to by COVID-19 vaccination”.

The authors’ list included several names well-known for having spread COVID-19 misinformation in the past, including Harvey Risch, Roger Hodkinson, and William Makis. The last author is cardiologist Peter McCullough, whose false claims about COVID-19 vaccines eventually led The American Board of Internal Medicine to recommend revoking his board certification in October 2022.

It is noteworthy that six of the nine authors of the review are affiliated with The Wellness Company. McCullough is the chief scientific officer of this company, which markets supplements that allegedly protect against “vaccine injury”. ...

... The review is a preprint, not a published study as claimed
Contrary to online claims, the review isn’t a published study but a preprint, which is a scientific manuscript that hasn’t been evaluated by other experts (peer review).

Since 2018, the Lancet group has collaborated with the SSRN preprint server as a platform for scientific advance and discussion of unpublished research. But a disclaimer on the group’s website warns that preprints “are not Lancet publications or necessarily under review with a Lancet journal”. Therefore, presenting this preprint as “a Lancet article” is inaccurate.

The SSRN website also clarifies that preprints “should not be used for clinical decision making or reporting of research to a lay audience without highlighting that they are preliminary research and have not been peer-reviewed”.

Indeed, peer review is a crucial step in scientific publication because it helps ensure that the methodology used in a study is adequate and the conclusions well-supported by the data presented. In contrast, preprints like the one published in SSRN lack this quality control. ...

... The methodology of the preprint is flawed, leading to poorly-founded conclusions​

The fact that a person dies after COVID-19 vaccination isn’t sufficient in itself to draw conclusions about the safety of the vaccines. The reason for this is that, while a temporal association between vaccination and death is necessary to demonstrate causality, it isn’t sufficient on its own.

That is why case reports are generally inadequate for assessing causal associations, as Mitchell Levine, a professor of medicine and health research methods at McMaster University, explained to Logically Facts. Levine said that, to draw any meaningful conclusions, the preprint would at least need to compare the findings in the autopsies of vaccinated people to a control, unvaccinated group. However, the preprint showed no attempt to do so.

Instead, it proceeded to speculate on the supposed mechanisms by which COVID-19 vaccines cause harm, focusing on the alleged “deleterious effects” of the spike protein induced by vaccination.

Health Feedback evaluated earlier claims by McCullough linking the spike protein induced by vaccination with long COVID, other medical conditions, and deaths and found them to be inaccurate and incorrect. McCullough even proposed a way to counter these alleged harmful effects from vaccination. This consisted of using a supplement with no proven effectiveness that his company sells to “detoxify” from the spike protein.

Some evidence suggests that the spike protein produced during SARS-CoV-2 infection can be toxic to organs like the heart. However, this effect can’t be directly extrapolated to the spike protein induced by COVID-19 vaccines, which is different from that of the virus and produced in much smaller amounts. In fact, the evidence available indicates that the spike protein produced through vaccination is generally safe.

While certain COVID-19 vaccines have been associated with some serious side effects, including heart inflammation and blood clotting, these are very rare. This argues against a generalized toxic effect of vaccination. That said, the biological mechanisms by which the vaccine might cause these side effects remain under investigation[1], and our current understanding about the effects of the spike protein might evolve with emerging research. ...

... Studies show that COVID-19 vaccination doesn’t increase risk of death​

The preprint’s discussion went on claiming that “The large number of COVID-19 vaccine induced deaths evaluated in this review is consistent with multiple papers that report excess mortality after vaccination”.

In support of this claim, the authors cited a retracted study and a preprint (again, not peer-reviewed or published in a scientific journal) by Pantazatos and Seligmann that has also been criticized for its methodological flaws.

Contrary to what the autopsy preprint suggested, reports of death following vaccination are scarce, as the CDC website explains. Furthermore, the hypothesis that COVID-19 vaccines cause or increase the risk of death is inconsistent with the results from peer-reviewed studies showing that vaccinated people don’t die at a higher rate than unvaccinated people[2,3].

Many factors other than vaccination can influence a person’s risk of death. For example, the mean age of death in the autopsies evaluated in the preprint was 70.4 years. Being of older age and underlying health conditions increase a person’s risk of death regardless of vaccination status. However, neither of these potential confounding factors was taken into account in the analysis.

Older adults also have the highest vaccine coverage in many countries, including the U.S. and many European countries, with rates close to or over 90%. In this scenario, it is expected that most deaths occur among vaccinated people. But this fact doesn’t imply that the vaccines were the cause.

In short, the preprint’s narrative directly contradicts the large body of evidence showing that COVID-19 vaccines are safe and only rarely cause serious side effects. This potential risk is very small and doesn’t outweigh the benefits of vaccination."

 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
What do they say...something about where there's smoke there's fire? I am about to choke from the smoke up in here.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
I am from Holland. On RF most are from USA, there they seem to trust their billionaires to be unselfishly doing this global mass vaccination.

They don't think twice, it seems, when the headlines in the news mentions that the same billionaires made extra tens of billions thanks to their vaccination forcing on the world (forced it was, by instilling fear, chaos, anger and then quickly, because all were busy beeing to scared to revolt, push all the new rules.

Code:
How much do Bill Gates earn per hour?
Bill Gates

According to Bloomberg, his net worth increased by $9.28 billion over the last 12 months, which comes out to around $44.6 million per hour.

Funny fact...I make a mistake OR bug in RF OR the money facts on Gates are censored (missing above="increased by $9.28 billion over the last 12 months, which comes out to around $44.6 million per hour; spoiler below has no bug? and just shows us these facts)
How much do Bill Gates earn per hour?
Bill Gates

According to Bloomberg, his net worth increased by $9.28 billion over the last 12 months, which comes out to around $44.6 million per hour.

Your post wasn't touched by any of the staff. The part you referred to is not missing from the code tag; it is there but, because the code tag seems not to wrap text onto a new line, needs scrolling to the right inside the code box so that you can see it on the same line.
 
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