Suppression of Free Speech on Covid

[Kathryn]

I see what you mean, we could call it something else for the sake of discussion. But does that make you any less likely to get it? The Flu Shot is a good comparison since it is on a similar cadence.

The flu shot has been thoroughly tested and vetted. Plus, whenever I get a flu shot, I don't get the flu. If I don't get one, I get the flu.
So apparently it works for me. Since I absolutely hate the flu I will get the flu shot. But I got COVID and all that drama in spite of getting three "vaccines" including one less than a year before I got COVID. So no thanks.

 

[Kathryn]

I see what you mean, we could call it something else for the sake of discussion. But does that make you any less likely to get it? The Flu Shot is a good comparison since it is on a similar cadence.

So long story short, I will get a flu shot this year but will forego a COVID shot.

 

[Kathryn]

Why not? Vaccines have a "shelf life". For example even the small pox vaccine was recommended to be repeated eons ago if one was going into areas of active breakouts. There are countless different viruses out there. Flu vaccines need to be taken yearly because the flu virus mutates rather easily. The covid virus mutates too. They are both highly contagious, but we have been exposed to the flu for so long that immunity is built in to a degree in all of us. Those that were to susceptible died out. The same would happen with covid given time. And of course just as the flu kills mainly the elderly so does covid.

Another vaccine that you need repeated is a tetanus shot. It lasts about ten years.

The CDC lists tetanus, the flu, and now covid as diseases that need boosters, the frequency of the boosters depends upon the virus. There are other vaccines that may be needed to be boosted depending upon one's job or what countries that one goes to:

Recommended Vaccines for Adults

Find out what vaccines are recommended for you.

www.cdc.gov

I totally understand what you're saying already, but I stand totally by my statement which was that I refuse to call something that has to be repeated every year AT LEAST a "vaccine." I call flu shots flu shots by the way.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I totally understand what you're saying already, but I stand totally by my statement which was that I refuse to call something that has to be repeated every year AT LEAST a "vaccine." I call flu shots flu shots by the way.

Well, it's a vaccine nonetheless.

 

[Revoltingest]

I totally understand what you're saying already, but I stand totally by my statement which was that I refuse to call something that has to be repeated every year AT LEAST a "vaccine." I call flu shots flu shots by the way.

Well, it's a vaccine nonetheless.

I've heard so many ad hoc definitions of "vaccine",
many invented to disqualify vaccines they dislike.
Here's a good description of it...

Vaccine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Note that vaccines provide a range of immunity, up to total immunity.
Excerpted...
A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious or malignant disease.[1][2] The safety and effectiveness of vaccines has been widely studied and verified.[3][4] A vaccine typically contains an agent that resembles a disease-causing microorganism and is often made from weakened or killed forms of the microbe, its toxins, or one of its surface proteins. The agent stimulates the body's immune system to recognize the agent as a threat, destroy it, and recognize further and destroy any of the microorganisms associated with that agent that it may encounter in the future.

Vaccines can be prophylactic (to prevent or alleviate the effects of a future infection by a natural or "wild" pathogen), or therapeutic (to fight a disease that has already occurred, such as cancer).[5][6][7][8] Some vaccines offer full sterilizing immunity, in which infection is prevented completely.[9]

 

[wellwisher]

The highest official estimate for COVID deaths, world wide, is about 3 million. This is an estimate since deaths due to COVID were not reported the same all over the world. For example, 90% reported in Europe to 25% in Africa. In the USA, if you went to the hospital with a fatal gunshot wound and tested positive for COVID, that would be called COVID related, since the COVID characterization allowed double dipping for hospitals, base on Big Government Standards. Still, say we use 3 million deaths world wide even if USA Big Government was paying for bigger numbers, for a better bogeyman.

The earth has currently 7.88 billion people. If you do the math roughly about 0.05% of the totally world population died because of COVID. However everyone was required to be afraid of the bogeyman and pretend that all 7.88 billion people of the earth were vulnerable to death. Science, Medicine and Big Government were not being fully rational in proportion to the final outcome. We are often Lectured in the rationality of science.. In this science case, this was because there was too much dependency on casino science and math, and its one size fits all approach. How can you get upset with someone who cares 2000% too much? There is no accountable for being overly cautious, including rip off scams with a big heart.

Consider a hypothetical future when medicine can pre-test young people for a wide range of current and potential vulnerability, and thereby be able to target the riskiest and most vulnerable to any new virus, like COVID, while also allowing the other 7.8 billion to go about their business. No more unaccountable herd stampeding for power, profit and political advantages. Would that type of medical Science be more advanced? Or is it better to treat every brush fire as a forest fire, due to the same math oracles of science also being used by politicians and marketeers?

It was known fairly early that children were the least vulnerable. In the early and final analysis, children accounted for 0.04% of the total death toll. This was interpreted by one political party as meaning all children were at risk, disrupting their education. The oracles of casino math can be spun with the word risk, to make the risk appear like a fog that everyone has to walk through, at the mercy of the whims of the gods. The other political party was more rational, to the early data and attempted to keep schools open and allow parental choice. It is like they used a more advanced medical protocol. What made the latter act more rational, as though they did not care as much with squishy feelings that could have made them unaccountable?

The dynamics of censorship is not too much different from fighting a virus. Things are censored to prevent exposure to sounds and sights that can enter the brain and make people think. Instead of a mask to cover the mouth and nose, to filter COVID, Government put a collective mask to cover the ears and eyes for censorship therapy.

In the case of COVID, censoring what would turn out to be true, was not there to fight a virus, but censor a truth vaccine. In 20/20 hindsight, the final result would be like not allowing a truth vaccine, that could return people to mental health. It appeared a mental viral sickness needed to perpetuate since it was optimized for those in power; needed their zombie army. This outcome was still based on casino math and weighing the risks, that these powerful truth vaccines may work and undermine the entire viral exposure experiments of their lab rats. They would be needed in 2020. When the riots of summer of 2020 started, the concern for children being exposed was lifted so they could bust up cities in a zombie frenzy. It was never about the children, just their zombie army.

In both cases; children and censorship, one side overreacted, with a one size fits all approach; fear and censorship, to prevent exposure to what turned out to be truth vaccines for return to health. That is also how racism and sexism work, with censorship there to prevent truth vaccines. Science needs to get away from casino math since political math, will oracle spin that oracle and add mental virus to biological virus for power and profit. A rational interface can block this baton pass.

 

[Ebionite]

Nope. I'm pointing directly to the valid criticisms of the non-peer-reviewed, preprint article that you posted as the gospel truth, that you've ignored no less than four times. This is the fifth time.

Sorry, I confused you response with Quetzal's from around the same time. (#793/#794).

What do you mean by "gospel truth" ? There's a lot of religious bias attached to the defence of big pharma re covid.

 

[Ebionite]

Well, it's a vaccine nonetheless.

They had to change the definition of what vaccination is so that their gene therapy could be labelled as such.

 

[Ebionite]

No, it didn't. This was a survey of lay people's opinions about who died or was otherwise harmed from a vaccine and who died or was harmed by the virus. Why would we consider that evidence of what actually occurred?

Because evidence begins with observations. An observer doesn't have to be an expert to know whether or not someone died and/or was injected with pharmaceutical product.

 

[Koldo]

The highest official estimate for COVID deaths, world wide, is about 3 million.

Incorrect from the start.

This is an estimate since deaths due to COVID were not reported the same all over the world. For example, 90% reported in Europe to 25% in Africa. In the USA, if you went to the hospital with a fatal gunshot wound and tested positive for COVID, that would be called COVID related, since the COVID characterization allowed double dipping for hospitals, base on Big Government Standards. Still, say we use 3 million deaths world wide even if USA Big Government was paying for bigger numbers, for a better bogeyman.

The earth has currently 7.88 billion people. If you do the math roughly about 0.05% of the totally world population died because of COVID. However everyone was required to be afraid of the bogeyman and pretend that all 7.88 billion people of the earth were vulnerable to death. Science, Medicine and Big Government were not being fully rational in proportion to the final outcome. We are often Lectured in the rationality of science.. In this science case, this was because there was too much dependency on casino science and math, and its one size fits all approach. How can you get upset with someone who cares 2000% too much? There is no accountable for being overly cautious, including rip off scams with a big heart.

Consider a hypothetical future when medicine can pre-test young people for a wide range of current and potential vulnerability, and thereby be able to target the riskiest and most vulnerable to any new virus, like COVID, while also allowing the other 7.8 billion to go about their business. No more unaccountable herd stampeding for power, profit and political advantages. Would that type of medical Science be more advanced? Or is it better to treat every brush fire as a forest fire, due to the same math oracles of science also being used by politicians and marketeers?

It was known fairly early that children were the least vulnerable. In the early and final analysis, children accounted for 0.04% of the total death toll. This was interpreted by one political party as meaning all children were at risk, disrupting their education. The oracles of casino math can be spun with the word risk, to make the risk appear like a fog that everyone has to walk through, at the mercy of the whims of the gods. The other political party was more rational, to the early data and attempted to keep schools open and allow parental choice. It is like they used a more advanced medical protocol. What made the latter act more rational, as though they did not care as much with squishy feelings that could have made them unaccountable?

The dynamics of censorship is not too much different from fighting a virus. Things are censored to prevent exposure to sounds and sights that can enter the brain and make people think. Instead of a mask to cover the mouth and nose, to filter COVID, Government put a collective mask to cover the ears and eyes for censorship therapy.

In the case of COVID, censoring what would turn out to be true, was not there to fight a virus, but censor a truth vaccine. In 20/20 hindsight, the final result would be like not allowing a truth vaccine, that could return people to mental health. It appeared a mental viral sickness needed to perpetuate since it was optimized for those in power; needed their zombie army. This outcome was still based on casino math and weighing the risks, that these powerful truth vaccines may work and undermine the entire viral exposure experiments of their lab rats. They would be needed in 2020. When the riots of summer of 2020 started, the concern for children being exposed was lifted so they could bust up cities in a zombie frenzy. It was never about the children, just their zombie army.

In both cases; children and censorship, one side overreacted, with a one size fits all approach; fear and censorship, to prevent exposure to what turned out to be truth vaccines for return to health. That is also how racism and sexism work, with censorship there to prevent truth vaccines. Science needs to get away from casino math since political math, will oracle spin that oracle and add mental virus to biological virus for power and profit. A rational interface can block this baton pass.

I take it no one in your family died from Covid?

 

[Koldo]

They had to change the definition of what vaccination is so that their gene therapy could be labelled as such.

Source?

 

[Koldo]

I totally understand what you're saying already, but I stand totally by my statement which was that I refuse to call something that has to be repeated every year AT LEAST a "vaccine." I call flu shots flu shots by the way.

You know that is your own personal thing, right?
Because you know flu shots are also called flu vaccines by pretty much everone else, right?

 

[Ebionite]

You know that is your own personal thing, right?

No, it's from the history of the language.

Because you know flu shots are also called flu vaccines by pretty much everone else, right?

You know about the ad populum fallacy, right?

 

[Koldo]

No, it's from the history of the language.

What history?

You know about the ad populum fallacy, right?

Sure. Do you happen to be claiming I am making use of it?

 

[Ebionite]

What history?

Merriam-Webster:

2013 definition of VACCINE: “a preparation of killed microorganisms, living attenuated organisms, or living fully virulent organisms that is administered to produce or artificially increase immunity to a particular disease

2021 definition of VACCINE: “a preparation or immunotherapy that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against noninfectious substances, agents, or diseases”

Sure. Do you happen to be claiming I am making use of it?

What do you think is implied by this? "Because you know flu shots are also called flu vaccines by pretty much everone else, right?"

 

[Unfettered]

So long story short, I will get a flu shot this year but will forego a COVID shot.

You are in the significant majority. Current uptake rates indicate that people understand that the shot provides little to no benefit over the default (no shot). And this in spite of continuing efforts to boogey-man the disease. Relatively few are still yielding to the scare.

On the other hand, folks fear the flu and trust its vaccine by a factor of over ten. I give the COVID-powers that be an A+ for effort, though. It was an impressive, if not horrific, ride we were all subjected to.

‘On track’: 3 percent of Americans have gotten the new Covid shot, but the CDC director remains confident

By contrast, 33 percent more people have had their flu shot.

www.politico.com

 

[Koldo]

Merriam-Webster:

2013 definition of VACCINE: “a preparation of killed microorganisms, living attenuated organisms, or living fully virulent organisms that is administered to produce or artificially increase immunity to a particular disease

2021 definition of VACCINE: “a preparation or immunotherapy that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against noninfectious substances, agents, or diseases”

What does that have to do with flu vaccines?

What do you think is implied by this? "Because you know flu shots are also called flu vaccines by pretty much everone else, right?"

The recognition that someone's usage/definition of a term is peculiar to that person. What else?

 

[Koldo]

You are in the significant majority. Current uptake rates indicate that people understand that the shot provides little to no benefit over the default (no shot).

Source?

And this in spite of continuing efforts to boogey-man the disease. Relatively few are still yielding to the scare.

On the other hand, folks fear the flu and trust its vaccine by a factor of over ten. I give the COVID-powers that be an A+ for effort, though. It was an impressive, if not horrific, ride we were all subjected to.

‘On track’: 3 percent of Americans have gotten the new Covid shot, but the CDC director remains confident

By contrast, 33 percent more people have had their flu shot.

www.politico.com

What about the continuing efforts to boogeyman the Covid vaccines? Why aren't you taking that into consideration?

 

[McBell]

Merriam-Webster:

2013 definition of VACCINE: “a preparation of killed microorganisms, living attenuated organisms, or living fully virulent organisms that is administered to produce or artificially increase immunity to a particular disease

2021 definition of VACCINE: “a preparation or immunotherapy that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against noninfectious substances, agents, or diseases”

Peter Sokolowski, editor at large for Merriam-Webster, told USA TODAY in an email that the company changed its "vaccine" definition to include more scientifically accurate language.​

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"Merriam-Webster adds definitions and evolves existing ones to accurately report on how words are used," he said.​

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According to an archived version of the dictionary's website, Merriam-Webster formerly said a "vaccine" was "a preparation of killed microorganisms, living attenuated organisms, or living fully virulent organisms that is administered to produce or artificially increase immunity to a particular disease."​

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The new definition of "vaccine", published in May, reads: "a preparation that is administered – as by injection – to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease."​

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The editors changed "artificially increase immunity" to "stimulate the body’s immune response" because they believed it would be more helpful to readers, according to Sokolowski.​

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Fact check: Missing context in claim that Merriam-Webster changed 'vaccine' definition​

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vaccine​

1: a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease:​

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: an antigenic preparation of a typically inactivated or attenuated (see ATTENUATED sense 2) pathogenic agent (such as a bacterium or virus) or one of its components or products (such as a protein or toxin)​

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: a preparation of genetic material (such as a strand of synthesized messenger RNA) that is used by the cells of the body to produce an antigenic substance (such as a fragment of virus spike protein)​

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2: a preparation or immunotherapy that is used to stimulate the body's immune response against noninfectious substances, agents, or diseases​

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Definition of VACCINE

a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease: such as… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

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"matter used in vaccination," 1846, from French vaccin, noun use of adjective, from Latin vaccina, fem. of vaccinus "pertaining to a cow" (see vaccination). Related: Vaccinal; vaccinic.​

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vaccine | Etymology, origin and meaning of vaccine by etymonline

VACCINE Meaning: "matter used in vaccination," 1846, from French vaccin, noun use of adjective, from Latin vaccina, fem.… See origin and meaning of vaccine.

www.etymonline.com

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I am disinclined to reception of your conspiracy theory.

 

[Ebionite]

What does that have to do with flu vaccines?

The original context was about the covid injections that was sold as "safe and effective". Flu vaccines are something different.

I totally understand what you're saying already, but I stand totally by my statement which was that I refuse to call something that has to be repeated every year AT LEAST a "vaccine." I call flu shots flu shots by the way.