Suppression of Free Speech on Covid

[Revoltingest]

Oh no need to check those.

I have a serious question though. Weren't all fliers within the US and nearly all fliers internationally screened beforehand for COVID, and if they tested positive they couldn't fly?

Not the one time I flew to Germany & back
in 2022 (for antique scrap iron retrieval).
But masks were required on the plane.
I wore mine in the airports too....those could
be even more dangerous than the planes.

I was, and I flew multiple times, nationally and internationally. If they were screened and tested positive, how were they able to fly? See, this is the information that makes their findings suspect. I don't blame them though, they were between a rock and a hard place.

The findings of CDC, Mayo Clinic, etc aren't based
upon policies of airlines or government requirements
of travelers. This should make government lawmakers
suspect, not epidemiologists.

 

[Kathryn]

Not the one time I flew to Germany & back
in 2022 (for antique scrap iron retrieval).
But masks were required on the plane.
I wore mine in the airports too....those could
be even more dangerous than the planes.

The findings of CDC, Mayo Clinic, etc aren't based
upon policies of airlines or government requirements
of travelers. This should make government lawmakers
suspect, not epidemiologists.

I flew to Germany in 2022 and had to have a negative COVID test. And masks were required on the plane and in the airport. i had to have a negative test to fly in and to fly out.

 

[Revoltingest]

I flew to Germany in 2022 and had to have a negative COVID test. And masks were required on the plane and in the airport. i had to have a negative test to fly in and to fly out.

Perhaps because you look suspicious?
Or they knew you're from Texas?

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Wait, what? That hasn't been proven yet. There's a correlation but causation hasn't been determined, that I know of. If you have more info, I'd be interested.

Little is proven in science. And yes, there is a correlation. I can't think of a reason that would be the case if HSV wasn't a cause of Alzheimer dementia:

Overwhelming Evidence for a Major Role for Herpes Simplex Virus Type 1 (HSV1) in Alzheimer’s Disease (AD); Underwhelming Evidence against

https://www.healio.com/news/dermatology/20231030/herpes-simplex-virus-1-may-be-associated-with-increased-risk-for-alzheimers-dementia#:~:text=To evaluate the epidemiological associations,present in the brain vs.

 

[anna.]

Little is proven in science. And yes, there is a correlation. I can't think of a reason that would be the case if HSV wasn't a cause of Alzheimer dementia:

Overwhelming Evidence for a Major Role for Herpes Simplex Virus Type 1 (HSV1) in Alzheimer’s Disease (AD); Underwhelming Evidence against

https://www.healio.com/news/dermatology/20231030/herpes-simplex-virus-1-may-be-associated-with-increased-risk-for-alzheimers-dementia#:~:text=To evaluate the epidemiological associations,present in the brain vs.

I know you understand that correlation does not equal causation.

It’s important to note that all studies, including our own, only show an association between the herpes virus and Alzheimer’s – they don’t prove that the virus is an actual cause.

---

Not everyone with HSV-1 develops Alzheimer’s disease, and a question remains as to whether HSV-1 is a cause of or a reaction to the development of amyloid plaque and subsequent changes in the brain.

 

[Kathryn]

Perhaps because you look suspicious?
Or they knew you're from Texas?

Hey, I just live here. I'm not FROM here. I am FROM New Orleans! Not sure that's any better (certainly not any better weather wise) but it's no worse, that's for sure. Except maybe the weather IS worse in New Orleans, which is why I am probably not going back any time soon.

 

[Ebionite]

Global Intel Hub -- Knoxville, TN -- 3/8/2024- In one of the most ridiculous and hilarious data drops ever coming from the US Government, the CDC released 148 pages of redacted yellow squares, in order to comply with an FOIA request.

LEAKED: CDC releases 148 Blank Pages about COVID risks to fulfill FOIA request | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

 

[Revoltingest]

Hey, I just live here. I'm not FROM here. I am FROM New Orleans! Not sure that's any better (certainly not any better weather wise) but it's no worse, that's for sure. Except maybe the weather IS worse in New Orleans, which is why I am probably not going back any time soon.

But you have that Texas drawl.
It betrays you.

BTW, did you ever read A Confederacy Of Dunces?

 

[Kathryn]

But you have that Texas drawl.
It betrays you.

BTW, did you ever read A Confederacy Of Dunces?

I did and I really liked it! I believe you and my cousin both recommended it to me!

 

[metis]

So apparently I am really good with real life stuff, but not theoretical stuff.

Our oldest granddaughter has a graduate degree in math with a specialization in quantum mathematics at the University of Michigan, and I look at her formulas and it's all "Greek" to me. She worked on the quantum math to help develop the first quantum computers now used by Google.

 

[Kathryn]

Our oldest granddaughter has a graduate degree in math with a specialization in quantum mathematics at the University of Michigan, and I look at her formulas and it's all "Greek" to me. She worked on the quantum math to help develop the first quantum computers now used by Google.

Wow, that's really amazing! Congrats! Ummm, that's not me or my daughters or granddaughters. We are all "math challenged." Or maybe it's "maths challenged," who knows? All of 'em, though, other than math based in reality. None of this theoretical mumbo jumbo.

 

[SkepticThinker]

No .. and No .. unless one sounds like darth vader .. the mask is not protecting you or others.. .. thought the science has proven this but its just common sense .. put mind to thought .. and ask yourself .. using a typical cloth mask .. where the air you breath in is coming from .. ??

The gaps right ! .. almost no air is coming through the mask itself like in the case of a darth vader mask.

K .. now in a normal breath .. where is the air you breath in coming from ?? .. obviously that small area .. a foot or so from your mouth .. think of what particles you are going to inhale .. where they are comming from ..

and now you realize .. there is zero difference in the particulate loading coming into the mask .. so you are not safe.. and as for others .. when you are standing in line at the grocery check out .. cough or sneeze while wearing a mask .. where do all those nano particles go .. if not a concentrated blast to the person standing behind you..

Verdict in general is false sense of security ..

Yes, common sense indeed.

Like covering your mouth when you sneeze, versus not covering your mouth when you sneeze. No difference at all between those, right? Oh wait ...

 

[Sargonski]

Yes, common sense indeed.

Like covering your mouth when you sneeze, versus not covering your mouth when you sneeze. No difference at all between those, right? Oh wait ...

And the difference is ? Oh -- wait .. "you don't actually have any idea " is clearly what was to follow .. right ?

 

[SkepticThinker]

And the difference is ? Oh -- wait .. "you don't actually have any idea " is clearly what was to follow .. right ?

Let your common sense guide you here .... you've got this!

 

[Sargonski]

Let your common sense guide you here .... you've got this!

One would hope so .. but you seem not to be able to support your position .. so while I "get it" .. you don't seem to. Tell us the difference between sneezing with cloth mask on - or to putting hand over nose .. to the person standing behind you..

Here is a visual to help .. from MIT news hope this helps to make common sense sensible

In the cloud: How coughs and sneezes float farther than you think​

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Tell us the difference between sneezing with cloth mask on - or to putting hand over nose .. to the person standing behind you..

That wasn't her claim. She didn't refer to sneezing with a mask, nor did she refer to the person behind the sneezer, although everybody in the room with the sneezer benefits by covering it (see below).

The difference to which she referred was the difference between sneezing uncovered and covered. All off the sneeze that ends up on one's palm or in the crook of his elbow is sneeze that ISN'T in the air.

you seem not to be able to support your position

She didn't try. I think she assumed that you knew what I just wrote about sneezes.

You, on the other hand tried to support YOUR position with the following:

Here is a visual to help .. from MIT news hope this helps to make common sense sensible

In the cloud: How coughs and sneezes float farther than you think​

Is there a reason you didn't include a link here? I found it at In the cloud: How coughs and sneezes float farther than you think . This is the first line, which seems to contradict your apparent thesis:

"The next time you feel a sneeze coming on, raise your elbow to cover up that multiphase turbulent buoyant cloud you’re about to expel."

Your link doesn't support the position that masks are ineffective at reducing Covid transmission, nor that covering your mouth when sneezing does nothing. It's about how the amount of a sneeze that isn't captured stays in the air longer and travels further than one might think, and that this time and distance varies with droplet size.

This is also from your link. This is what an unobstructed sneeze looks like:

They didn't include an analogous video of a covered sneeze, but every bit of that sneeze that ends up ends up in your palm or on your sleeve isn't aerosolized into the ambient air.

Here's an article on covered versus uncovered sneezes from https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...b2e45a-06fa-11ea-8292-c46ee8cb3dce_story.html

"a hearty sneeze can spew forth droplets at speeds of up to 100 mph, according to research from the University of Bristol, in England. Particles expelled in a sneeze or cough can carry germs for an array of infectious diseases — colds, the flu, chickenpox, measles and more. To keep from spreading germs this way, cover your nose and mouth with a tissue whenever you sneeze or cough. If you’re caught without a tissue, health experts suggest using the crook of your elbow. That will keep the germs from becoming airborne and will keep your hands from getting germy."

 

[Sargonski]

That wasn't her claim. She didn't refer to sneezing with a mask, nor did she refer to the person behind the sneezer, although everybody in the room with the sneezer benefits by covering it (see below).

The difference to which she referred was the difference between sneezing uncovered and covered. All off the sneeze that ends up on one's palm or in the crook of his elbow is sneeze that ISN'T in the air.

She didn't try. I think she assumed that you knew what I just wrote about sneezes.

You, on the other hand tried to support YOUR position with the following:


Is there a reason you didn't include a link here? I found it at In the cloud: How coughs and sneezes float farther than you think . This is the first line, which seems to contradict your apparent thesis:

"The next time you feel a sneeze coming on, raise your elbow to cover up that multiphase turbulent buoyant cloud you’re about to expel."

Your link doesn't support the position that masks are ineffective at reducing Covid transmission, nor that covering your mouth when sneezing does nothing. It's about how the amount of a sneeze that isn't captured stays in the air longer and travels further than one might think, and that this time and distance varies with droplet size.

This is also from your link. This is what an unobstructed sneeze looks like:

View attachment 89572

They didn't include an analogous video of a covered sneeze, but every bit of that sneeze that ends up ends up in your palm or on your sleeve isn't aerosolized into the ambient air.

Here's an article on covered versus uncovered sneezes from https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...b2e45a-06fa-11ea-8292-c46ee8cb3dce_story.html

"a hearty sneeze can spew forth droplets at speeds of up to 100 mph, according to research from the University of Bristol, in England. Particles expelled in a sneeze or cough can carry germs for an array of infectious diseases — colds, the flu, chickenpox, measles and more. To keep from spreading germs this way, cover your nose and mouth with a tissue whenever you sneeze or cough. If you’re caught without a tissue, health experts suggest using the crook of your elbow. That will keep the germs from becoming airborne and will keep your hands from getting germy."

Forgot the link --- glad you got it. I am the one referring to the person behind not the article .. from which you only need to understand that there is a big blast of microparticles that go flying out the holes.

The stuff on your hand doesn't significantly help .. because the particles blasting out of holes in the mask make just as much of a cloud as sneezing without .. a more concentrated blast to the person standing behind. The the wet mask makes no difference to the por sob behind you that got the blast.

The large goop in your hand or mask was going to drop out of the air immediatly. "Basically, small drops can be carried a great distance by this gas cloud while the larger drops fall out. So you have a reversal in the dependence of range on size.”

 

[SkepticThinker]

That wasn't her claim. She didn't refer to sneezing with a mask, nor did she refer to the person behind the sneezer, although everybody in the room with the sneezer benefits by covering it (see below).

The difference to which she referred was the difference between sneezing uncovered and covered. All off the sneeze that ends up on one's palm or in the crook of his elbow is sneeze that ISN'T in the air.

She didn't try. I think she assumed that you knew what I just wrote about sneezes.

You, on the other hand tried to support YOUR position with the following:


Is there a reason you didn't include a link here? I found it at In the cloud: How coughs and sneezes float farther than you think . This is the first line, which seems to contradict your apparent thesis:

"The next time you feel a sneeze coming on, raise your elbow to cover up that multiphase turbulent buoyant cloud you’re about to expel."

Your link doesn't support the position that masks are ineffective at reducing Covid transmission, nor that covering your mouth when sneezing does nothing. It's about how the amount of a sneeze that isn't captured stays in the air longer and travels further than one might think, and that this time and distance varies with droplet size.

This is also from your link. This is what an unobstructed sneeze looks like:

View attachment 89572

They didn't include an analogous video of a covered sneeze, but every bit of that sneeze that ends up ends up in your palm or on your sleeve isn't aerosolized into the ambient air.

Here's an article on covered versus uncovered sneezes from https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...b2e45a-06fa-11ea-8292-c46ee8cb3dce_story.html

"a hearty sneeze can spew forth droplets at speeds of up to 100 mph, according to research from the University of Bristol, in England. Particles expelled in a sneeze or cough can carry germs for an array of infectious diseases — colds, the flu, chickenpox, measles and more. To keep from spreading germs this way, cover your nose and mouth with a tissue whenever you sneeze or cough. If you’re caught without a tissue, health experts suggest using the crook of your elbow. That will keep the germs from becoming airborne and will keep your hands from getting germy."

Thank you.

I guess this "common sense" we've been told about, isn't so common after all.

 

[Sargonski]

Thank you.

I guess this "common sense" we've been told about, isn't so common after all.

Clearly not LOL but worry not - that large droplets and big chunks of snot fall out of the air and harmlessly to the ground is perhaps not all that obvious .. fortunately you have the MIT study .. that you can study..

now .. the fact that be it your hand .. or a cloth mask .. the fellow behind you in the grocery line is getting a big blast .. .. and in terms of latency in the air ... as the MIT study shows .. won't be much difference between masked and unmasked the micro-particles in both cases are going to float around for quite some time .. and for the mask wearer .. is absolutely no difference if it is someone else who sneezed .. .. you are pulling just as many of those microparticles in through the gaps in the mask .. as someone breathing normally. .. this part common sense .. just have to think a little .. not much ... just a little ..

Love the schoolgirl gossip behind the fence thing though .. the sign of a true debate warrior !

 

[Ebionite]

Extreme Events

The report, which relies on data from the CDC, paints a troubling picture.

"We show a rise in excess mortality from neoplasms reported as underlying cause of death, which started in 2020 (1.7%) and accelerated substantially in 2021 (5.6%) and 2022 (7.9%). The increase in excess mortality in both 2021 (Z-score of 11.8) and 2022 (Z-score of 16.5) are highly statistically significant (extreme events)," according to the authors.

That said, co-author, David Wiseman, PhD (who has 86 publications to his name), leaves the cause an open question - suggesting it could either be a "novel phenomenon," Covid-19, or the Covid-19 vaccine.

"Extreme Events": US Cancer Deaths Spiked In 2021 And 2022 In "Large Excess Over Trend" | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

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