Suppression of Free Speech on Covid

[metis]

I doubt you're protected in any way, shape, or form now. But oh well. Who knows?

In an indirect way I am. Yes, I probably have 0 antibodies for covid left, but our bodies also contain "memory cells" whereas it can recognize a virus we previously have had. At 79, I have a strong immunity system-- too strong at times, thus my autoimmune issues.

 

[metis]

BTW, some know-it-all may want to read these: The New Technology Behind COVID-19 RNA Vaccines and What This Means for Future Outbreaks | Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

COVID-19 vaccines: The new technology that made them possible

The COVID-19 pandemic served as an unexpected proof of concept for mRNA vaccines.

www.livescience.com

The powerful technology behind the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines

There are lots of different ways to make a vaccine, but the ultimate goal of any shot is to introduce the body to the biological equivalent of a “most wanted” poster so that if the real enemy ever shows up, our immune systems know how to fight it off.

www.pbs.org

Someone should work on getting over their own arrogance.

 

[Ebionite]

And you can't even see that fallacy with partisan politics in that?

Stop pretending that there is a fallacy involved in addressing an issue of public interest.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Stop pretending that there is a fallacy involved in addressing an issue of public interest.

Your fallacy is in your cost-benefit analysis. You only looked at short-term complications from vaccines, most of which are non-lethal.

There are no long-term complications known for that or any other vaccine, meaning morbidity or mortality appearing a year or more after the injection. When severe complications have arisen from vaccines, such as Guillan-Barre following flu shots in the seventies, the onset was generally within two months and always within six.

But we do know of long-term complications from viral infections. You probably know that shingles is long VZV (varicella-zoster virus) and that AIDS is long HIV (human immunodeficiency virus), but I don't think most people realize that cervical cancer is long HPV (papillomavirus), Multiple Sclerosis is long EBV (Epstein-Barr Virus), Alzheimer's is long HSV (herpes simple virus), and liver cancer is long HCV (hepatitis C virus). It's obviously best to never get that infection, but if you do, to have antibodies ready to limit it already in the blood stream to prevent or minimize deep-seated tissue infection is desirable.

You didn't consider the dramatic reduction in mortality and severe morbidity from the infection in the vaccinated.

You didn't consider the significant reduction in long-COVID in the vaccinated nor irreversible organ damage from the infection:

LUNG
New study into long-term impacts of lung damage after COVID-19 – UKRI
Study examines the effect of long COVID on lung health (medicalnewstoday.com)

KIDNEY
Kidney Damage Another Consequence of 'Long COVID' (webmd.com)
Long-term effects of Covid-19 on the kidney | QJM: An International Journal of Medicine | Oxford Academic (oup.com)

HEART
The COVID Heart—One Year After SARS-CoV-2 Infection, Patients Have an Array of Increased Cardiovascular Risks | Cardiology | JAMA | JAMA Network
COVID-19 (coronavirus): Long-term effects - Mayo Clinic

BRAIN
Severe COVID-19 can trigger drop in IQ similar to aging 20 years, study shows - UPI.com
Study Finds COVID-19 May Lower Intelligence (webmd.com)

None of this analysis considered civic duty, financially breaking households with medical expenses, in the cases of severe long-COVID, the loss of the ability to work, and orphaned children.

If you're one who has had an adverse reaction, perhaps the vaccine isn't for you, but everyone eligible ought to take it to find that out, because as I said, it's usually non-lethal and most people don't have significant reactions apart from the desired one.

And if you're immunocompromised, it might do little or nothing in the way of generating a protective immune response, but unless vaccines are contraindicated, even those people ought to take the vaccine and hope for some protection.

The cost-benefit analysis is a no-brainer for those eligible to take the vaccine.

 

[Kathryn]

Well, three is enough for me.

 

[metis]

Stop pretending that there is a fallacy involved in addressing an issue of public interest.

"Public interest" did not develop the vaccines that have saved millions of lives worldwide, which is not a hypothesis as it's well documented.

I recommend going by the science, not the partisan politics.

 

[metis]

Well, three is enough for me.

Can't count any higher?

 

[Kathryn]

Can't count any higher?

Oh come on, you know that numbers = infinity.

 

[metis]

Oh come on, you know that numbers = infinity.

That's how old I am.

 

[Kathryn]

That's how old I am.

Me too! LOL

 

[Revoltingest]

Oh come on, you know that numbers = infinity.

Dang!
At least when I disrespect you, I won't
go nuclear, ie, mocking your math skills.
That is beyond the pale.
BTW, you have a piece of spinach stuck
between 2 teeth.

BTW, since you have had Covid 19 with some
symptoms, you might be more vulnerable than
I am.
(I'm in the old age risk group, but I've never
had Covid 19. So it seems my genes are
blessed.)
Keep your eye on the news....just in case a
particularly nasty variant darkens our doors.
Until then, you're likely good skipping the
boosters.

 

[anna.]

Alzheimer's is long HSV (herpes simple virus)

Wait, what? That hasn't been proven yet. There's a correlation but causation hasn't been determined, that I know of. If you have more info, I'd be interested.

 

[Kathryn]

Dang!
At least when I disrespect you, I won't
go nuclear, ie, mocking your math skills.
That is beyond the pale.
BTW, you have a piece of spinach stuck
between 2 teeth.

BTW, since you have had Covid 19 with some
symptoms, you might be more vulnerable than
I am. (I'm in the old age risk group, but I've
never had Covid 19. So it seems that I'm
blessed with the right genes.)
Keep your eye on the news....just in case a
particularly nasty variant darkens our doors.
Until then, you're likely good skipping the
boosters.

I feel like I'm fine. I had a HORRIBLE cold recently by the way, much worse than COVID 19 - I only get a cold like this about once every ten years but I sho nuff got it this year. You know what I didn't get this year though? I didn't get COVID or the flu, and I wasn't vaccinated against either, which is not my usual state.

Oh and you can mock my math skills since I have none. I am more of a word person than a numbers person, if that makes sense. And I probably do have something stuck between some teeth. In front.

TRUE STORY TIME:

I was contemplating going back to college a few years ago and took a placement test. It was MULTIPLE CHOICE. I scored really high on the math side (for me) and I was like "No, no, no, I need remedial math, not calculus! I don't know how I got those answers right, it just made sense to me!" I also recently won a nice pair of binoculars by guessing correctly the number of beans in a big jar. I also can tell you exactly what the tax will be on just about anything. I traveled all over Europe before the Euro (and GPS but I digress) and could tell you exactly how much in dollars anything was anywhere (but that's shopping math so of course I'm good at that). So apparently I am really good with real life stuff, but not theoretical stuff.

 

[Revoltingest]

I feel like I'm fine. I had a HORRIBLE cold recently by the way, much worse than COVID 19 - I only get a cold like this about once every ten years but I sho nuff got it this year. You know what I didn't get this year though? I didn't get COVID or the flu, and I wasn't vaccinated against either, which is not my usual state.

I haven't had a cold, flu, or anything
ever since the start of Covid 19.
All the social distancing has been great
in so many ways....no one tries to kiss
me (that east coast nasty habit)...& no
one tries to hug me.

 

[Kathryn]

I haven't had a cold, flu, or anything
ever since the start of Covid 19.
All the social distancing has been great
in so many ways....no one tries to kiss
me (that east coast nasty habit)...& no
one tries to hug me.

Oh I doubt very seriously that I caught either a cold or COVID from anyone kissing or hugging me, believe me.

 

[Revoltingest]

Oh I doubt very seriously that I caught either a cold or COVID from anyone kissing or hugging me, believe me.

Well, you're doing something wrong.
Advice....
- Don't inhale when passing people.
- Wash your hands obsessively.
- Scowl a lot....that keeps people away.
They're all filthy animals.

 

[Kathryn]

Well, you're doing something wrong.
Advice....
- Don't inhale when passing people.
- Wash your hands obsessively.
- Scowl a lot....that keeps people away.
They're all filthy animals.

It's pretty hard for me to scowl but I do have a resting B face. This was over about three or four years and I was sick twice. I was working at the time too, and I think that had a lot to do with it. I worked with the public. Also, that weird cold swept through our workplace like a wildfire!

 

[Revoltingest]

It's pretty hard for me to scowl but I do have a resting B face. This was over about three or four years and I was sick twice. I was working at the time too, and I think that had a lot to do with it. I worked with the public. Also, that weird cold swept through our workplace like a wildfire!

The public....they're the worst.
I hate colds.
Mine last at least a month.
The several days of sore throat are the worst.

 

[anna.]

@Kathryn and @Revoltingest, you have found your tribe.

 

[Kathryn]

@Kathryn and @Revoltingest, you have found your tribe.

Har!