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Suppression of Free Speech on Covid

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
BTW, covid triggered my immune system to develop psoriasis for the first time in my life [it's an autoimmune response], and the booster last year triggered it again and I had the itchies in my legs for several months, so I chose not to get the last vaccine.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
And most people who die in car crashes were wearing seatbelts.
Well, it would be one thing if she had died from something else but she didn't. She died from COVID, after trying so hard not to catch it. Her last "vaccine" against COVID was two months beforehand. I thought that was so sad.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
And you can't even see that fallacy with partisan politics in that?

IOW, you're being "played". Instead, let me suggest you go with the scientific research on this instead of political sources. The vaccines are not perfect, but the record of what they helped the world to achieve is amazing. Maybe consider getting a subscription to Scientific American as they have had a great many articles dealing with covid and the amazing vaccines that used a brand-new technology.
Note that the Covid 19 vaccines used existing technology.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
BTW, covid triggered my immune system to develop psoriasis for the first time in my life [it's an autoimmune response], and the booster last year triggered it again and I had the itchies in my legs for several months, so I chose not to get the last vaccine.
I doubt you're protected in any way, shape, or form now. But oh well. Who knows?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It didn't do anything to protect some people.
You don't know that.
It's impossible to say that an individual's suffering
with Covid 19 wouldn't have been been more
severe without vaccination.
Vaccine efficacy is a statistical thing.
and other people didn't even have the vaccine and were fine even though they got COVID.
So who knows?
Only your epidemiologist knows for sure (statistically).

Drunk driving analogy.....
I've known sober people who died in car accidents.
I know drunks who didn't die in car accidents.
Does this mean that driving drunk doesn't increase
the risk of deadly accidents?

Don't make me give you the smoking analogy.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I once had good legs.
Now I'm just happy that my knees are still obedient.
Same here, same here.

On an aside note, my knee was hurting and so was my hip (different times) but they are both fine now so I guess it was weather related, who knows.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
You don't know that.
It's impossible to say that an individual's suffering
with Covid 19 wouldn't have been been more
severe without vaccination.
Vaccine efficacy is a statistical thing.


Only your epidemiologist knows for sure (statistically).

Drunk driving analogy.....
I've known sober people who died in car accidents.
I know drunks who didn't die in car accidents.
Does this mean that driving drunk doesn't increase
the risk of deadly accidents?

Don't make me give you the smoking analogy.
OK please don't.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
It didn't do anything to protect some people. and other people didn't even have the vaccine and were fine even though they got COVID. So who knows?
You cannot say that. It did not give them enough protection to keep them from getting it, and in at least one case someone still died from it.

That is not how you judge if a vaccination is working or not. When it comes to cause of death for one person it is impossible to nail down the cause. But with statistics involved we can be very sure. If the death rate of a population all of a sudden soars along with the appearance of a virus we can be very certain that the virus was the cause. Especially when quite a few of the dead test positive for it. When that same death rates drops by more than a factor of five after t people are immunized we can be very sure that the vaccination is working. Are some people still dying from covid even after they got the vaccination? Yep. But far fewer in the targeted age groups. Vaccinations are never perfect. The MMR vaccine, which takes two doses is 96% effective against Measles. It is 86% effective against Mumps, and it is 89% effective again Rubella.


In an outbreak 4% of the kids that were vaccinated will still get the disease. But it will probably be a more mild does than without the vaccination.

You are right at the end where you say the vaccine efficacy is a statistical thing. But even when it does not prevent getting the disease the odds are that it will make it more tolerable.

Are you aware that this was not the first Covid epidemic in the US? I posted an article earlier about the other one. It affected swine. And rather strongly. Death was usually of piglets. They would get the symptoms of that verse was diarrhea. Quite often deadly diarrhea. The poor little piggies would poop themselves to death. We were rather lucky that the version that hit us mainly affected the elderly. Think how parents would have reacted if it was the other way around. Young children dying from a disease that they were helpless to control. Even at a mere 70% efficiency you would probably be demanding it for you and yours.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Even the highly effective polio vaccine isn't 100%
effective at preventing the disease. And polio
appears to be returning because many people
are now opposing vaccination.
Only 1% of those infected become paralyzed.
For 25% it's just like a case of the flu. And most
have no symptoms, so they might conclude that
polio is nothing to worry about. But they don't
remember back as far as I do, when tens of
thousands became unable to walk or even
breathe on their own
 
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