Supreme Court to Decide Whether to Kick Trump Off Ballot

[Subduction Zone]

Was he found guilty? Did I miss something?

He does not have to have been found guilty. They would only have to be able to show that he did so in the trial where they decided whether or not to take him off the ballot.

One of the problems with trials is that one Trumpista slipping through the vetting process for the jury could dishonestly be an agent for jury nullification. This could potentially avoid that. And since judges tend to be much harder to fool than the average citizen he is likely to be kept off in at least one state which would lead to lawsuits between states. And that would bring it up to the Supreme Court.

Now the problem is that the present day SC has lost all credibility. But perhaps they would like to regain it. They know that they do not owe any loyalty to Trump since he never shows any loyalty to anyone .

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yeah And those states that don’t allow it probably would like to see Felon presidents not be able to run. Can’t win em all

Felons can and have run for President. Even from prison. Google Lyndon Larouche. He did not do very well. But he did not do any of the acts mentioned in the 14th Amendment.

 

[Viker]

He does not have to have been found guilty. They would only have to be able to show that he did so in the trial where they decided whether or not to take him off the ballot.

One of the problems with trials is that one Trumpista slipping through the vetting process for the jury could dishonestly be an agent for jury nullification. This could potentially avoid that. And since judges tend to be much harder to fool than the average citizen he is likely to be kept off in at least one state which would lead to lawsuits between states. And that would bring it up to the Supreme Court.

Now the problem is that the present day SC has lost all credibility. But perhaps they would like to regain it. They know that they do not owe any loyalty to Trump since he never shows any loyalty to anyone .

I'm deeply interested to see if SCOTUS will uphold the Law, as they claim, or just throw it away for knee-jerk reactionary politics.

SCOTUS, rule in favor of the Law!

 

[fantome profane]

I'm deeply interested to see if SCOTUS will uphold the Law, as they claim, or just throw it away for knee-jerk reactionary politics.

SCOTUS, rule in favor of the Law!

I am just interested see what kind of twisted pretzel logic they come up with to ignore the Constitution this time.

 

[Shaul]

Castro is a Republican, running against Trump.

Castro, a tax attorney running for the Republican nomination next year, sent his petition to the Supreme Court last month, asking the justices to answer whether political candidates can challenge the eligibility of another candidate of the same party running for the same nomination "based on a political competitive injury in the form a diminution of votes."

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And? There are a minority of Republicans, such as Christie, that hate Trump. Whether Castro hates Trump, I don't know. But my comment was not specific to him.

 

[Shaul]

The Law

14th Amendment, Section 3:

the Disqualification Clause, bars any person from holding federal or state office who took an “oath…to support the Constitution of the United States” and then has “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”

And since an active court case involving such will continue to drag on, likely well after the next major national election, we may need to favor that clause.

Which doesn't apply in Trump's case.

 

[fantome profane]

Which doesn't apply in Trump's case.

Please explain how it doesn't apply in Trump's case?

 

[Viker]

Which doesn't apply in Trump's case.

How not?

 

[Shaul]

Please explain how it doesn't apply in Trump's case?

Trump has not been convicted of such a crime.

 

[Shaul]

How not?

Please provide the name of any state election official that has made a determination that this applies to Trump and is using that to keep him off the ballot in that state.

 

[fantome profane]

Trump has not been convicted of such a crime.

And your point is? Where does the 14th amendment mention a conviction?

There is no indication that those who wrote the 14th amendment intended it to apply only if there was a conviction, and lots of reason to thing that conviction of a crime was not necessary.

 

[Viker]

Please provide the name of any state election official that has made a determination that this applies to Trump and is using that to keep him off the ballot in that state.

It doesn't have to be determined by any state official. Nonofficial citizens can petition the government over such a matter.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Trump has not been convicted of such a crime.

According to Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment (read it here), a criminal conviction is not a prerequisite for disqualification from office.


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[Subduction Zone]

Trump has not been convicted of such a crime.

You do not have to be convicted. Guilt can be determined by the judge that decides if it applies.

 

[F1fan]

Was he found guilty? Did I miss something?

Would Jan 6 have happened if Trump had accepted his election loss? Would the fake elector conspiracy have happened? No. The cause and effect is apparent.

 

[Revoltingest]

Here is something curious. Trump haters spout that he is so unpopular. Yet they are maniacally attempting to keep him off the ballot. If they truly think he isn't popular they should welcome having him on the ballot so he would lose.

I hear no one saying trump is unpopular.
(Although his popularity appears to be waning.)
If we really do honor the Constitution, there's nothing
"maniacal" about preventing an insurrectionist from
running for Prez. It's the law. He attempted a coup,
so he should be ineligible.
The only question is whether courts will see it thus.
There's a great risk of fervent partisanship & his
appointees letting him skirt the law.

 

[Riders]

Here is a link. It says Colorado filed a lawsuit against Trump to keep I'm off the ballet because of insurrection.

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[F1fan]

Of course not, just as it should not be forfeited because of animus towards populism or DJT.

It's DJT's criminal activity. Why do Trump supporters ignore that?

And many, many of those attempting to keep Trump off the ballot care more for their hatred than they do about any Rule of Law.

No they aren't. You just can't believe there are ethical people out there, and they understand Trump poses a threat to America.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It's DJT's criminal activity. Why do Trump supporters ignore that?

They cannot defend him based upon the facts. They need some sort of strawman to defend him.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Here is a link. It says Colorado filed a lawsuit against Trump to keep I'm off the ballet because of insurrection.

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The link does not work. But maybe this one to another article does:

New lawsuit aims to keep Trump off the ballot in Colorado

The suit contends Trump’s actions after the 2020 election disqualify him for office under the 14th Amendment.

www.cpr.org

"Four Republican voters and two unaffiliated voters initiated the suit, including some prominent names from Colorado politics, such as Former Republican state Sen. Norma Anderson, who is in her 90s. The plaintiffs declined to comment and directed CPR News to a spokesperson for the liberal group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, which is spearheading the effort. "