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Supreme Court to Decide Whether to Kick Trump Off Ballot

Sargonski

Well-Known Member
How anyone can't see that he is total scum is beyond me. I am certain that if after everything you're a Trump cultist still, then you're morally bankrupt and mentally deficient. Which is what human evil is imo, morally bankrupt psychological deficiency.

Clearly there is a plenty of morally bankrupt and mentally deficient people out there that can not see that Biden is evil .. according to your definition .. and how anyone can not see the scum-bucketry of Biden and progressive cancel culture .. is something I have come to understand a little.

Good that you have managed to see that Trump is a scum -- although I am certain your arguments supporting your perspective are far weaker than mine ..and far weaker than they should be. The concern here is what has defened and blinded you to the "morally bankrupt and psychological deficiancies" of the Biden Blue clown show .. who are now in a state "of morally bankrupt and mentally deficient" far greater than was the case during Trump. Far more authoritarian as well .. didn't think that was possible but .. who knew of this morally bankrupt and psychologically deficient crew.
 

Sargonski

Well-Known Member
He challenged the elections, something perfectly legal to do.

Trump offered to have the national guard there before his speech but the democrats refused.

Trump told them to protest peacefully and they ignored him so they certainly wouldn’t listen to him telling them to stop and anyways it was a law enforcement issue at that point.

As for the rest of your post none of that is verified.

And don't forget "freedom of speech-information- press" too !! :) -- without having the Storm Troopers label you a "Domestic Terrorist" and shooting you in the head. Real good precident the Blue team has set .. using the "Terrorist" Club to lower the State's legal responsibilities and strip away the legal rights and legal recourse of the victim .. GITMO Style justice .. Espionage act Justice = 3rd world Kangaroo Justice ..

and now we see this precdent in action at "Cop City" - where the storm troopers shot the Protester Dead .. and these protesters labeled "Terrorists"
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
He challenged the elections, something perfectly legal to do.
And he lost every challenge. And he lied about there being fraud, which he continues to do to this day, without any evidence. And conservatives still believe his lies.
Trump offered to have the national guard there before his speech but the democrats refused.
That is a dubious claim I have read before, and I don't believe you. All I notice here is your claim, and the lack of evidence that it's true. You need to offer evidence if you are going to post dubious claims in these forums. If you aren't going to show your claims true and credible why bother posting at all?
Trump told them to protest peacefully and they ignored him so they certainly wouldn’t listen to him telling them to stop and anyways it was a law enforcement issue at that point.
First of all there never should have been a protest because there was nothing to protest, the election was secure and fair. The protest happened because he lied. Only his stupid followers believed this nonsense, and they ignored Bill Barr, Chris Wrey, all 50 election officials, and other ethical people. So right from the start Trump fed a conspiracy of stupidity, and of course this led to violence because there was a criminal conspiracy by militia groups. All this happened because of Trump and his lies.

Trump does what Trump does, he makes conflicting statements. He also said things like "Fight like hell" to his audience. He would say things like "protest peacefully" but he would say it with a certain inflection in his voice as if he was being sarcastic. So some of his followers didn't become violent, and the rest did. If Trump wanted them to be peaceful, why didn't they obey him? Why were so many willing to be violent? Their testimony after being arrested was that they believed Trump wanted them to be violent. To my mind Trump implied violence, even though he said "be peaceful", and his followers heard what they wanted.

And one more thing that suggests your claim here is wrong is that Trump did not Tweet his violent followers to stop their attack on the Capitol.


If he wanted his followers to be peaceful why didn't he tell them to stop? It was nearly three hours before he finally Tweeted an appeal.
As for the rest of your post none of that is verified.
Funny thing to say given your dubious claims. And no evidence, and no argument.
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
How anyone can't see that he is total scum is beyond me. I am certain that if after everything you're a Trump cultist still, then you're morally bankrupt and mentally deficient. Which is what human evil is imo, morally bankrupt psychological deficiency.

In addition to what I said in my other post, I'd also like to mention that some of the most hateful, obnoxious, and bigoted people I've ever met in my life are conservative Christians (MAGA Trump supporters). And I say that as a former conservative Christian. For twenty-six years (1992–2018), I was a loyal conservative Christian and a registered Republican. During this time, I had conflict with other conservative Christians over their abhorrent contempt for women, minorities, immigrants (documented or not), and LGBTQ individuals. I also grew up in a predominantly conservative Christian environment (home and town) before that and have known many conservative Christians over the years through church and in places I've lived. I'm quite familiar with them.

My family is overwhelmingly evangelical conservative Christians who firmly believe that Trump is a Christian and that God sent him to reclaim America. I'm now estranged from both sides of my family because of how they treated me while I was still a Christian and refused to support and vote for Trump. I have aunts, uncles, and cousins who have turned on me and talked about me behind my back. I was intentionally left out and not invited to our annual family reunion in the summer following Trump's election. I found out from a friend of the family that I wasn't invited to the reunion because my presence there would have upset everyone else. Unfortunately, the verbal abuse, the bullying, and the harassment increased substantially after I voted for Biden. I had to block the phone numbers of my relatives and former conservative friends, and I blocked a few of them on Facebook. But one of the worst experiences for me was having to call the police on my cousin because he threatened to physically hurt me after he found out that I voted for Biden. I've had conservative friends whom I've known for years turn their backs on me because I don't support Trump. I had to block their phone numbers and block them on Facebook.

And, lastly, I'm a former member of a Christian forum where the majority of the evangelicals genuinely believed and declared in their posts that Trump is a Christian, that God anointed him to reclaim America, and that God appointed him to purge America of liberals. When I initially voiced my objection to Trump in response to one of these Christians, I was immediately and persistently disparaged, called derogatory names, and accused of not being a true Christian. I was called evil and godless, and I was constantly called a "demon rat." After I informed another member who was also being harassed for not supporting Trump that I had voted for Biden, the harassment intensified even more. I was accused of being demon-possessed and was told that was what caused me to vote for Biden. I was also spitefully reported by several members, which led to my being permanently banned without a warning. But when I reported the members who harassed me, I was told that I was the troublemaker, and I received a warning, not the members who degraded and harassed me. A staff member who secretly sympathized with me emailed me the day after I was banned to let me know about a thread where these members were gloating about how they got me and the other harassed user perma-banned. It was upsetting to read the scathing remarks about me and the other user.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
That, in my opinion, also includes the evangelical Christians who continue to support him. It seems clear to me that they, along with Trump, have dragged the public's opinion of Christianity through the mud, severely damaging the reputation and Christian witness of every evangelical who supports him.

Losing Our Religion review: Trump and the crisis of US Christianity
I think Christianity has a long history with being irrational and on the wrong side of facts. Creationism opens the door for many Christians to use the emotional part of their brains to make decisions, and this has spread into politics, mostly identity politics on issues that have nothing that impacts them. It is fake morality, and republicans have learned how they can manipulate these voters with emotional arguments.

The elections last night seems to indicate the far right MAGA politics is not popular with the majority. Republicans lost the Senate in Virginia, a severe blow to Youngkin. Abortion rights won in Ohio. Bashir was re-elected with a higher margin in Kentucky. So democrats seem to have the energy and momentum going in to the next year of candidates running for major offices.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
How anyone can't see that he is total scum is beyond me.
Jesus said "love others as you love yourself." But Jesus never says to "love the self", so a person who is self-loathing, unhappy, miserable, angry, mean, cruel, will treat others as they treat themselves, terribly, and still follow what Jesus said, even if it misses the meaning. This is part of the chaos of mind.

I have noticed that the Trump supporters on the forums I'm on are rather mean and miserable people. They don't seem to respect otehrs any more than they have self-respect. So how else does a person support a corrupt and offensive person like Trump unless they are similar in character? I think the same reason we have seen a rise in racism is the same reason we see support for Trump, many citizens ARE racist, and ARE corrupt and lack character. They see their worse selves in Trump, and he gives them permission to be the worst person they can be.

We all have tempations to do the wrong thing at times, but for those who have integrity, and doing the right thng is a matter of self-resepect, the self rises to their better self. To my mind our challenege as humans is to recognize our faults, but also identify what we are capable of being, and working towards that criteria. If others don't recognize good character, that is irrelevant if the self DOES. Many of the people arrested and convicted of Jan 6 crimes acknowledged their guilt. Jenna Ellis admitted her guilt and flaws as she plead guilty for her crimes. Moral and ethical people learn to self-check their own motives, intentions, and actions. As bad as Bill Barr was he resigned rather than be involved with Trump's scheme, and he saved his skin. I'm not sure he is ethical, but he knew crimes when he saw them, and didn't see a good outcome for himself if he joined the conspiracy.
I am certain that if after everything you're a Trump cultist still, then you're morally bankrupt and mentally deficient. Which is what human evil is imo, morally bankrupt psychological deficiency.
And this is why we see comments like "Biden is evil". It's the same sort of "evil" as not feeding your cat a kind of cat food that you think is best. Trump supporters are certainly squirming, and trying to reset definitions for words that make Trump not seem as bad as he is. I'm not fooled, but the Trump supporter continues to sink deeper in their self-deception and chaos of mind.
 

Little Dragon

Well-Known Member
And, lastly, I'm a former member of a Christian forum where the majority of the evangelicals genuinely believed and declared in their posts that Trump is a Christian, that God anointed him to reclaim America, and that God appointed him to purge America of liberals. When I initially voiced my objection to Trump in response to one of these Christians, I was immediately and persistently disparaged, called derogatory names, and accused of not being a true Christian. I was called evil and godless, and I was constantly called a "demon rat.
Christian nationalism is the number one existential threat to the United States of America. Without a shadow of a doubt. Not Putin. Not any foreign enemy.
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
The vetting process, is the democratic mandate, the vote.

I wish the Democrats would choose a better candidate, but if it comes down to President Biden and Donald Trump again, my choice is clear. I'll vote for Joe Biden again. I consistently voted Republican for 26 years until the 2016 presidential election. I voted third party for the first time ever in that election, and I voted Democratic for the first time ever in the 2020 presidential election. I won't support the Republican Party with my votes or money again as long as Trump and his cohorts are controlling it. I'll continue to support Democrats. In my opinion, Trump and his cohorts are a serious threat to our democracy.
 

Little Dragon

Well-Known Member
The concern here is what has defened and blinded you to the "morally bankrupt and psychological deficiancies" of the Biden Blue clown show .. who are now in a state "of morally bankrupt and mentally deficient" far greater than was the case during Trump
I am not a US citizen, I am not into your political stone throwing. However Biden for all his faults, is not Trump. Trump is ******* disgusting, on every conceivable level.
 
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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Trump offered to have the national guard there before his speech but the democrats refused.
False. Did you get this from Fox?
Trump told them to protest peacefully and they ignored him so they certainly wouldn’t listen to him telling them to stop and anyways it was a law enforcement issue at that point.
He said they must be "strong" and that it would be "wild". Almost all of the January 6th testimony by his own appointees admitted that he was behind it all and enjoyed watching it unfold as he watched it on tv and ignored some in his own staff's telling him to call it off until almost 4 hours after it began.
 

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
In addition to what I said in my other post, I'd also like to mention that some of the most hateful, obnoxious, and bigoted people I've ever met in my life are conservative Christians (MAGA Trump supporters). And I say that as a former conservative Christian. For twenty-six years (1992–2018), I was a loyal conservative Christian and a registered Republican. During this time, I had conflict with other conservative Christians over their abhorrent contempt for women, minorities, immigrants (documented or not), and LGBTQ individuals. I also grew up in a predominantly conservative Christian environment (home and town) before that and have known many conservative Christians over the years through church and in places I've lived. I'm quite familiar with them.

My family is overwhelmingly evangelical conservative Christians who firmly believe that Trump is a Christian and that God sent him to reclaim America. I'm now estranged from both sides of my family because of how they treated me while I was still a Christian and refused to support and vote for Trump. I have aunts, uncles, and cousins who have turned on me and talked about me behind my back. I was intentionally left out and not invited to our annual family reunion in the summer following Trump's election. I found out from a friend of the family that I wasn't invited to the reunion because my presence there would have upset everyone else. Unfortunately, the verbal abuse, the bullying, and the harassment increased substantially after I voted for Biden. I had to block the phone numbers of my relatives and former conservative friends, and I blocked a few of them on Facebook. But one of the worst experiences for me was having to call the police on my cousin because he threatened to physically hurt me after he found out that I voted for Biden. I've had conservative friends whom I've known for years turn their backs on me because I don't support Trump. I had to block their phone numbers and block them on Facebook.

And, lastly, I'm a former member of a Christian forum where the majority of the evangelicals genuinely believed and declared in their posts that Trump is a Christian, that God anointed him to reclaim America, and that God appointed him to purge America of liberals. When I initially voiced my objection to Trump in response to one of these Christians, I was immediately and persistently disparaged, called derogatory names, and accused of not being a true Christian. I was called evil and godless, and I was constantly called a "demon rat." After I informed another member who was also being harassed for not supporting Trump that I had voted for Biden, the harassment intensified even more. I was accused of being demon-possessed and was told that was what caused me to vote for Biden. I was also spitefully reported by several members, which led to my being permanently banned without a warning. But when I reported the members who harassed me, I was told that I was the troublemaker, and I received a warning, not the members who degraded and harassed me. A staff member who secretly sympathized with me emailed me the day after I was banned to let me know about a thread where these members were gloating about how they got me and the other harassed user perma-banned. It was upsetting to read the scathing remarks about me and the other user.

I'm so sorry about the treatment you received and continue to receive from your family and friends in real life. While we've talked before about how we have similarities in our move from the GOP, your treatment was far worse than mine, but maybe in part because you were more brave than I was/am, I continue to stay in the closet with much of my current worldview even now, over 10 years later.

Regarding the other forum you were on, I wonder if we were members of the same forum, because that sounds all too familiar.
 

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
IMO, if Trump wins in 2024 and has a majority in both houses of Congress, our democracy is over. Even he doesn't have control of both houses, he can still reap massive damage on our democracy and country as a whole.

Project 2025, I think Orbit has a thread on it here.


 

Little Dragon

Well-Known Member
Project 2025, I think Orbit has a thread on it here.


Some sort of quasi theocratic fascist state I imagine. With no presidential term limits and only one party, the Maga Republican party. Something horrific.
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
Jesus said "love others as you love yourself." But Jesus never says to "love the self", so a person who is self-loathing, unhappy, miserable, angry, mean, cruel, will treat others as they treat themselves, terribly, and still follow what Jesus said, even if it misses the meaning. This is part of the chaos of mind.

I have noticed that the Trump supporters on the forums I'm on are rather mean and miserable people. They don't seem to respect otehrs any more than they have self-respect. So how else does a person support a corrupt and offensive person like Trump unless they are similar in character? I think the same reason we have seen a rise in racism is the same reason we see support for Trump, many citizens ARE racist, and ARE corrupt and lack character. They see their worse selves in Trump, and he gives them permission to be the worst person they can be.

We all have tempations to do the wrong thing at times, but for those who have integrity, and doing the right thng is a matter of self-resepect, the self rises to their better self. To my mind our challenege as humans is to recognize our faults, but also identify what we are capable of being, and working towards that criteria. If others don't recognize good character, that is irrelevant if the self DOES. Many of the people arrested and convicted of Jan 6 crimes acknowledged their guilt. Jenna Ellis admitted her guilt and flaws as she plead guilty for her crimes. Moral and ethical people learn to self-check their own motives, intentions, and actions. As bad as Bill Barr was he resigned rather than be involved with Trump's scheme, and he saved his skin. I'm not sure he is ethical, but he knew crimes when he saw them, and didn't see a good outcome for himself if he joined the conspiracy.

And this is why we see comments like "Biden is evil". It's the same sort of "evil" as not feeding your cat a kind of cat food that you think is best. Trump supporters are certainly squirming, and trying to reset definitions for words that make Trump not seem as bad as he is. I'm not fooled, but the Trump supporter continues to sink deeper in their self-deception and chaos of mind.

Based on my years of personal interactions with some Trump supporters, I believe that you are spot-on in your description of the majority of them. They remind me a lot of Trump because they are rude and obnoxious, and they maliciously disparage those who oppose him. I'm including those that I interact with online as well. If they are this rude, obnoxious, hateful, and maliciously belittling of others online, I shudder to think what they are like in person.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
He challenged the elections, something perfectly legal to do.
Yes, he did, and lost all his court cases. If that's all he did, there wouldn't be a problem.

But he and his co-conspirators also set up a slate of fake electors in seven different states, broke into voting machines, Trump himself called and harassed state officials over and over again trying to convince them to "find" votes for him (at least one of these calls were even caught on camera) and another was recorded. They had a whole grand plan in place that only started with defrauding the US Government and conspiring to obstruct the certification of the vote on January 6th.

Read the full indictment here:


Also, Trump sat there for over 2 hours watching the events of January 6th unfold, while everyone around him, including his family members begged him to send a message to his supporters to go home, which he refused to do. He also refused to call in the National Guard, which Mike Pence actually ended up doing. What kind of person does this?

Trump was told over and over by multiple different people that he lost the election. He knew he lost. And yet he and his co-conspirators did all of this anyway. What does that tell you?
Trump offered to have the national guard there before his speech but the democrats refused.
No he didn't. That's just another one of his lies he likes to tell over and over.
Trump told them to protest peacefully and they ignored him so they certainly wouldn’t listen to him telling them to stop and anyways it was a law enforcement issue at that point.
They most likely would have, actually. They were following along with his Tweets all day long, including the one he sent out about Mike Pence while the crowd was chanting "Hang Mike Pence."

And wouldn't you know it, when Trump's family finally convinced him to send out a Tweet imploring the mob to go home, guess what? They started dispersing and leaving! So yeah, they do listen to his every word.

If you don't believe me, then you can read it in their own words:

"At least five supporters facing federal charges have suggested they were taking orders from the then-president when they marched on Capitol Hill on Jan. 6 to challenge the certification of Joe Biden’s election win. But now those comments, captured in interviews with reporters and federal agents, are likely to take center stage as Democrats lay out their case. It’s the first time a former president will face such charges after leaving office.

“I feel like I was basically following my president. I was following what we were called to do. He asked us to fly there. He asked us to be there,” Jenna Ryan, a Texas real estate agent who posted a photo on Twitter of herself flashing a peace sign next to a broken Capitol window,
told a Dallas-Fort Worth TV station.


"An ABC News investigation into the nearly 200 accused rioters facing federal charges for their alleged involvement at the Capitol -- based on court filings, military records, interviews, and available news reports-- found that at least fifteen individuals who stormed the building have since said that they acted based on Trump's encouragement, including some of those accused of the most violent and serious crimes.

"I believed I was following the instructions of former President Trump," said Garret Miller in a statement released through his lawyer.
"I also left Washington and started back to Texas immediately after President Trump asked us to go home." ...

... Robert Bauer told FBI Agents in an interview that he "marched to the U.S. Capitol because President Trump said to do so," according to court records. Bauer pleaded not guilty to the charges against him, according to local reports. His lawyer declined to comment when reached by ABC News.

At least one rioter said he is willing to testify during the impeachment trial about how Trump's words resonated with him, according to his lawyer.

"He heard the words of the president. He believed them. He genuinely believed him," Jacob Chansley's lawyer, Al Watkins, told ABC News in an interview. "He thought the president was walking with him."




As for the rest of your post none of that is verified.
All of it is verifiable. You should watch the January 6th Congressional hearings. Oh, and the upcoming trial in March. Several of Trump's co-conspirators have already turned on him.
 
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Little Dragon

Well-Known Member
Based on my years of personal interactions with some Trump supporters, I think that you are spot-on in your description of the majority of them. They remind me a lot of Trump because they are rude and obnoxious, and they maliciously disparage those who oppose him. I'm including those that I interact with online as well. If they are this rude, obnoxious, hateful, and maliciously belittling of others online, I shudder to think what they are like in person.
I have investigated numerous cults (political and religious) over the years, and I would confidently say that their behaviour is cultish. Trumpism reminds me of the early days of the rise of the national socialist worker party of germany and it's figurehead, Adolf Hitler. They have that same aggression, that the fanatics displayed in those days. That same idolization. That same clear identification of an internal enemy.

These are very dangerous people. Democracy is not a game.
 

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
I have noticed that the Trump supporters on the forums I'm on are rather mean and miserable people. They don't seem to respect otehrs any more than they have self-respect. So how else does a person support a corrupt and offensive person like Trump unless they are similar in character? I think the same reason we have seen a rise in racism is the same reason we see support for Trump, many citizens ARE racist, and ARE corrupt and lack character. They see their worse selves in Trump, and he gives them permission to be the worst person they can be.

I remember back around 2016 one online Trump supporter saying they liked how Trump talked because "he speaks for us."

At that, truer words were never spoken.
 
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