Supreme Court to Decide Whether to Kick Trump Off Ballot

[F1fan]

I agree with your basic point, but I have to correct you. The 14 amendment does in fact mention members of Congress. "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress ...".

It does not specifically mention President.

The fact that it doesn't specifically mention President does seem a little odd. But the idea that this would not apply to the most powerful position in the government is extremely odd.

I’m aware there are sections. Does this mention include the bit that we are discussing? Judge Luttig interprets the meaning to include the president.

I’ve not read the 14th so not sure what is stated in the various sections. Do you know, and can expand? I’ve seen Luttig interviewed but not aware of this bit you mentioned.

 

[fantome profane]

I’m aware there are sections. Does this mention include the bit that we are discussing? Judge Luttig interprets the meaning to include the president.

I’ve not read the 14th so not sure what is stated in the various sections. Do you know, and can expand? I’ve seen Luttig interviewed but not aware of this bit you mentioned.

Yes, of course.

"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."

The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution

SECTION. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United...

constitutioncenter.org

 

[Sargonski]

Your the one started the pud measurement contest and now you go boo hoo when you lose. Do you have anything of substance to say about the topic .. I don't mind the constant personal invective so much if there is some coherent content .. for example, are you exited that the Biden kangaroo clownshow failed to Kick Trump out of the Race ?

It may or may not cure the disease. One thing that it would do is to remove his access to the microphone. He could not rile up his supporters as he does so often with his hate speech. I am hoping that. I would love for the party to regain its old conservative and rational roots, but it has been abandoning those more and more over my lifetime.

I can see that he is a danger to our democracy right now. It is amazing how many people believe the lies that he spouted and is still spouting.

Absolutely Biden is a danger to our democratic process -- not so much to our democracy because we don't have one .. US Gov't is not a democracy friend. Biden has been trampling hard on free speech -- the cancel culture loves Gov't censorship. Without an informed electorate and fair and free media there is no such thing as a functional democratic process.

 

[Sargonski]

And my dad is stronger than your dad! Nahh nahhh boo boo!

As I've pointed out about 7 times, I'm not the only one having a difficult time trying to get through your posts. If you're fine with being difficult to understand, than have at it.

Your the one started the pud measurement contest and now you go boo hoo when you lose. Do you have anything of substance to say about the topic .. I don't mind the constant personal invective so much if there is some coherent content .. for example, are you exited that the Biden kangaroo clownshow failed to Kick Trump out of the Race ?

What was it that you had trouble understanding friend ?

 

[wellwisher]

Yes, of course.

"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."

The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution

SECTION. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United...

constitutioncenter.org

The Biden Family influence peddling with Russia in 2014 under Obama, may disqualify Biden under this Amendment. It is possible he may not have been qualified to run in 2020, but this was covered up by the Swamp.

6) Russia: On February 14, 2014, a Russian oligarch and Russia’s richest woman, Yelena Baturina, wired a Rosemont Seneca entity $3.5 million. On March 11, 2014, the wire was split up: $750,000 was transferred to Devon Archer, and the remainder was sent to Rosemont Seneca Bohai, a company Devon Archer and Hunter Biden split equally. In spring of 2014, Yelena Baturina joined Hunter Biden and Devon Archer to share a meal with then-Vice President Biden at a restaurant in Washington, D.C. The total amount from Russia to the Biden family and their associates is $3.5 million.

This payoff occurred two years before the Democrats ran the Russian Collusion Coup. The Dems and Russia expected Hillary to win, and Biden expected his deal to be swept under the rug, since Hillary also had a side job with Russia. Putin donated money to the Clinton Foundation and Massage Parlor. During the campaignTrump accused the Dems of corruption; drain the swamp and lock up Hillary. The Dems projected their culpability and blamed Trump for the Biden/Hillary Collusion with Russia.

The Coup was a misdirect to hide the Russia and Comrade Biden deal. This Coup helped Russia by destabilizing the USA to almost a Civil War. What else did Russia Get for the money? Maybe it was the classified documents that Biden had in his garage that any spy could take or photograph? China got their quid pro quo documents from the China Town stash.

Should Biden be disqualified for aid and comfort to enemies? And since the entire Democrat leadership; swamp, was involved in the Russian Collusion Coup, to cover up the 2014 Russia and Biden payout, the entire legacy Democrat party from 2016-2020, may not be qualified to run again. ever. Biden could be illegitimate right now and may have to be impeached just for that. That may involve deeper legal issues. Schiff, Schumer and all the Demo dinosaurs may need to go to trial. Those who came later than 2020, are OK.

The upcoming Impeachment trial may purge the legacy Democrat party, as fall out. Thanks for pointing out the 14th Amendment. It can be a useful tool for getting crooks with mixed loyalties.

The Left tends to project, accusing their enemies of the very things they are or are doing. Biden/Russian Collusion was protected onto Trump, and used as smoke screen for a cover up. So many Dems then conspired to that projection cover up.

 

[fantome profane]

The Biden Family influence peddling with Russia in 2014 under Obama, may disqualify Biden under this Amendment. It is possible he may not have been qualified to run in 2020, but this was covered up by the Swamp.


This payoff occurred two years before the Democrats ran the Russian Collusion Coup. The Dems and Russia expected Hillary to win, and Biden expected his deal to be swept under the rug, since Hillary also had a side job with Russia. Putin donated money to the Clinton Foundation and Massage Parlor. During the campaignTrump accused the Dems of corruption; drain the swamp and lock up Hillary. The Dems projected their culpability and blamed Trump for the Biden/Hillary Collusion with Russia.

The Coup was a misdirect to hide the Russia and Comrade Biden deal. This Coup helped Russia by destabilizing the USA to almost a Civil War. What else did Russia Get for the money? Maybe it was the classified documents that Biden had in his garage that any spy could take or photograph? China got their quid pro quo documents from the China Town stash.

Should Biden be disqualified for aid and comfort to enemies? And since the entire Democrat leadership; swamp, was involved in the Russian Collusion Coup, to cover up the 2014 Russia and Biden payout, the entire legacy Democrat party from 2016-2020, may not be qualified to run again. ever. Biden could be illegitimate right now and may have to be impeached just for that. That may involve deeper legal issues. Schiff, Schumer and all the Demo dinosaurs may need to go to trial. Those who came later than 2020, are OK.

The upcoming Impeachment trial may purge the legacy Democrat party, as fall out. Thanks for pointing out the 14th Amendment. It can be a useful tool for getting crooks with mixed loyalties.

The Left tends to project, accusing their enemies of the very things they are or are doing. Biden/Russian Collusion was protected onto Trump, and used as smoke screen for a cover up. So many Dems then conspired to that projection cover up.

No, you can't have someone removed from the ballot for eating a meal in a restaurant with his son.

And that is the only thing you can accuse Joe Biden of.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Your the one started the pud measurement contest and now you go boo hoo when you lose. Do you have anything of substance to say about the topic .. I don't mind the constant personal invective so much if there is some coherent content .. for example, are you exited that the Biden kangaroo clownshow failed to Kick Trump out of the Race ?

What was it that you had trouble understanding friend ?

Your posts are difficult to read, friend.
I've lost nothing except maybe some sanity from trying to sift through your posts.

I've added substance to the discussion but you must have missed it while you were having your temper tantrum. Oh well, I guess. I have already addressed your "kangaroo court" assertions many times over.

 

[SkepticThinker]

The Biden Family influence peddling with Russia in 2014 under Obama, may disqualify Biden under this Amendment. It is possible he may not have been qualified to run in 2020, but this was covered up by the Swamp.

If someone, anyone could just produce some evidence ... nah, still waiting.

This payoff occurred two years before the Democrats ran the Russian Collusion Coup. The Dems and Russia expected Hillary to win, and Biden expected his deal to be swept under the rug, since Hillary also had a side job with Russia. Putin donated money to the Clinton Foundation and Massage Parlor. During the campaignTrump accused the Dems of corruption; drain the swamp and lock up Hillary. The Dems projected their culpability and blamed Trump for the Biden/Hillary Collusion with Russia.

The Coup was a misdirect to hide the Russia and Comrade Biden deal. This Coup helped Russia by destabilizing the USA to almost a Civil War. What else did Russia Get for the money? Maybe it was the classified documents that Biden had in his garage that any spy could take or photograph? China got their quid pro quo documents from the China Town stash.

Should Biden be disqualified for aid and comfort to enemies? And since the entire Democrat leadership; swamp, was involved in the Russian Collusion Coup, to cover up the 2014 Russia and Biden payout, the entire legacy Democrat party from 2016-2020, may not be qualified to run again. ever. Biden could be illegitimate right now and may have to be impeached just for that. That may involve deeper legal issues. Schiff, Schumer and all the Demo dinosaurs may need to go to trial. Those who came later than 2020, are OK.

The upcoming Impeachment trial may purge the legacy Democrat party, as fall out. Thanks for pointing out the 14th Amendment. It can be a useful tool for getting crooks with mixed loyalties.

The Left tends to project, accusing their enemies of the very things they are or are doing. Biden/Russian Collusion was protected onto Trump, and used as smoke screen for a cover up. So many Dems then conspired to that projection cover up.

Broken record.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your the one started the pud measurement contest and now you go boo hoo when you lose. Do you have anything of substance to say about the topic .. I don't mind the constant personal invective so much if there is some coherent content .. for example, are you exited that the Biden kangaroo clownshow failed to Kick Trump out of the Race ?

Look at that falsehoods are personal attacks. This is why you are on corrections only because recently it appears that everything that you post here is wrong and you cannot even learn from your errors.

I also need to remind you that you are far from a legal expert and appear to have been advocating for a kangaroo court ironically. TDS strikes deep.

Absolutely Biden is a danger to our democratic process -- not so much to our democracy because we don't have one .. US Gov't is not a democracy friend. Biden has been trampling hard on free speech -- the cancel culture loves Gov't censorship. Without an informed electorate and fair and free media there is no such thing as a functional democratic process.

Citations needed.

 

[Sargonski]

Look at that falsehoods are personal attacks. This is why you are on corrections only because recently it appears that everything that you post here is wrong and you cannot even learn from your errors.

I also need to remind you that you are far from a legal expert and appear to have been advocating for a kangaroo court ironically. TDS strikes deep.

Citations needed.

"Everything you post is wrong and you cannot learn from your errors" you Cry.. but fail to cite one of those errors .. too lost .. shouting out to the sky "Everything .. Everything is wrong" - ridiculous hyperbole and fallacious generalization - desperate playground name calling -- calling out "TDS" - when it is you who is fixated and obsessed with Trump . so much so, that you wish to enact authoritarisn police state legislation - trample on civil liberties .. 3rd world Kangaroo Style .. in some ends justifies the means obsession.

Sorry friend but don't be projection of your advocacy of 3rd world court antics onto others - in this partisan haze you are missing the big picture -- myopically focused on "Get Trump" -- just like Hillary was, the main reason she was such a horrible candidate. Thats what "TDS" looks like.

Did you have anything to say on the topic friend .. something non fallacious .. something other than personal invective - Why is it that you think the Cop City - "Terrorists" .. should be treated like our friends in GITMO - have their legal rights stripped away. I call that advocating for a Police State .. based on fallacious utilitarian collectivism ... new wave Commie Collectivist Socialism .. but, if that makes you proud .. then stand up and own it rather than trying to project onto others these authoritarian urges.

 

[We Never Know]

"Everything you post is wrong and you cannot learn from your errors" you Cry.. but fail to cite one of those errors .. too lost .. shouting out to the sky "Everything .. Everything is wrong" - ridiculous hyperbole and fallacious generalization - desperate playground name calling -- calling out "TDS" - when it is you who is fixated and obsessed with Trump . so much so, that you wish to enact authoritarisn police state legislation - trample on civil liberties .. 3rd world Kangaroo Style .. in some ends justifies the means obsession.

Sorry friend but don't be projection of your advocacy of 3rd world court antics onto others - in this partisan haze you are missing the big picture -- myopically focused on "Get Trump" -- just like Hillary was, the main reason she was such a horrible candidate. Thats what "TDS" looks like.

Did you have anything to say on the topic friend .. something non fallacious .. something other than personal invective - Why is it that you think the Cop City - "Terrorists" .. should be treated like our friends in GITMO - have their legal rights stripped away. I call that advocating for a Police State .. based on fallacious utilitarian collectivism ... new wave Commie Collectivist Socialism .. but, if that makes you proud .. then stand up and own it rather than trying to project onto others these authoritarian urges.

I agree. The TDS is stronger in Trump haters. I see more rhetorical posts from Trump haters than from Trump supporters.

 

[Revoltingest]

I agree. The TDS is stronger in Trump haters. I see more rhetorical posts from Trump haters than from Trump supporters.

Trump haters have a better basis for hate
than Trump lovers have for their love.
He tried to stage a coup.
He now threatens a purge of his foes.

To love a treasonous power mad thug
who's suffering obvious mental decline
is utterly loopy.
To hate him...that's reasonable.
To fear his return to power....that's sanity.

 

[We Never Know]

Trump haters have a better basis for hate
than Trump lovers have for their love.
He tried to stage a coup.
He now threatens a purge of his foes.

To love a treasonous power mad thug
whose mental decline continues is utterly
loopy. To hate him...that's reasonable.
To fear his return to power....that's sanity.

Nice speech. Thanks for supporting my post.

 

[Revoltingest]

Nice speech. Thanks for supporting my post.

And here I mistakenly thought you loved Trump.

 

[metis]

All one has to do is to watch even one of his rallies and note the utter moral bankruptcy he spews out continually. It is just so utterly bizarre that so many "religious right" cheer this guy on, and the more sarcastic and nastier he is, the louder they cheer!

How can a person who says he believes in Jesus, the "Prince of Peace", be attracted to Trump??? Same with an observant Jew. The reality appears to be that their main allegiance is to a neo-fascist with 91 charges against him, thus he's truly their real "messiah".

 

[Stevicus]

I agree. The TDS is stronger in Trump haters. I see more rhetorical posts from Trump haters than from Trump supporters.

I think TDS was coined originally to refer to those who expressed extreme shock and outrage at the very idea that Trump was President at all. Every President has had a certain segment of the electorate which has had a certain special hatred for whoever it was, along with a certain segment which has had certain special love for them. But most of the electorate might be rather "meh" or lukewarm about whoever is President, depending on who it is and their particular personality and style.

JFK had a lot of people who loved him like a god, whereas others hated him and saw him as an enemy of America. Reagan also had a large fan club of people who loved him intensely, but he also had many detractors who hated him just as intensely. It was somewhat the same with Clinton and Obama, although not so much with Bush. That is, a lot of people hated Bush, but not too many people loved him all that much; he was just kind of "there." (Actually it was the same for both Bush Sr. and Bush Jr.)

With Trump, the same phenomenon took place, but it seemed to escalate to unprecedented levels. I don't know if the nature of politics has changed all that much, although it appears that within the political culture, people may be more sensitive or more easily triggered by words, actions, and events which Americans were once able to endure and overcome more stoically. There seems to be a tendency to want to create more drama than there really is.

 

[F1fan]

I think TDS was coined originally to refer to those who expressed extreme shock and outrage at the very idea that Trump was President at all. Every President has had a certain segment of the electorate which has had a certain special hatred for whoever it was, along with a certain segment which has had certain special love for them. But most of the electorate might be rather "meh" or lukewarm about whoever is President, depending on who it is and their particular personality and style.

JFK had a lot of people who loved him like a god, whereas others hated him and saw him as an enemy of America. Reagan also had a large fan club of people who loved him intensely, but he also had many detractors who hated him just as intensely. It was somewhat the same with Clinton and Obama, although not so much with Bush. That is, a lot of people hated Bush, but not too many people loved him all that much; he was just kind of "there." (Actually it was the same for both Bush Sr. and Bush Jr.)

With Trump, the same phenomenon took place, but it seemed to escalate to unprecedented levels. I don't know if the nature of politics has changed all that much, although it appears that within the political culture, people may be more sensitive or more easily triggered by words, actions, and events which Americans were once able to endure and overcome more stoically. There seems to be a tendency to want to create more drama than there really is.

Jimmy Carter was a wall flower who got a lot done, and done well, but he lost to Reagan, who knew how to perform and sound tough. Biden is much the same way, he is quiet and getting the job done for America, but who notices?

Voters have since wanted rock stars for president, which is an oddity to me. You don't want your insurance agent able to be bombastic and sound tough. Nor your mechanic. Nor your tax preparer, you want them competent and honest. But for Trump as president? No, corrupt is OK. Dishonest is OK. Racist is OK. Breaking international and fedaral laws is OK. Election fraud is OK. Just perform like a clown for us, and he gets their vote. If he wins again (certainly by a minority of voters, again) it will be what America deserves. The economy is predicted to take a hit:

Donald Trump’s second term would be a protectionist nightmare

His first term was bad enough

www.economist.com

A second Trump term could bring more global instability, which could lead to more conflict as nations seek ways to bolster thier assets. Russia would definately gain a huge ally in Trump, even if a passive ally. We have already heard his rants about the war in Ukraine, and that by ending aid would mean less spending, and a possible boost to Russia and perhaps a victory. Sure, it will end a war, but also end Ukraine's democracy, and bring more instability in Europe as Russia becomes a bigger threat.

A Second Trump Term: Opportunities and Risks • Stimson Center

A Trump victory in the 2024 presidential election would present both old and new challenges for the international liberal order

www.stimson.org

 

[Subduction Zone]

"Everything you post is wrong and you cannot learn from your errors" you Cry.. but fail to cite one of those errors .. too lost .. shouting out to the sky "Everything .. Everything is wrong" - ridiculous hyperbole and fallacious generalization - desperate playground name calling -- calling out "TDS" - when it is you who is fixated and obsessed with Trump . so much so, that you wish to enact authoritarisn police state legislation - trample on civil liberties .. 3rd world Kangaroo Style .. in some ends justifies the means obsession.

Sorry friend but don't be projection of your advocacy of 3rd world court antics onto others - in this partisan haze you are missing the big picture -- myopically focused on "Get Trump" -- just like Hillary was, the main reason she was such a horrible candidate. Thats what "TDS" looks like.

Did you have anything to say on the topic friend .. something non fallacious .. something other than personal invective - Why is it that you think the Cop City - "Terrorists" .. should be treated like our friends in GITMO - have their legal rights stripped away. I call that advocating for a Police State .. based on fallacious utilitarian collectivism ... new wave Commie Collectivist Socialism .. but, if that makes you proud .. then stand up and own it rather than trying to project onto others these authoritarian urges.

This is just ignorance and projection on your part. And yes, you do show all the signs of TDS.

I see that you are back to using "Green Ink" again. That was just a matter of time. You call legitimate courts of law "Kangaroo courts" and yet can never properly support that term. You cannot properly support any of your claims.

Lastly if you seriously want an answer to questions you need to learn how to ask them properly.


So much TDS to cut through.

 

[We Never Know]

I think TDS was coined originally to refer to those who expressed extreme shock and outrage at the very idea that Trump was President at all. Every President has had a certain segment of the electorate which has had a certain special hatred for whoever it was, along with a certain segment which has had certain special love for them. But most of the electorate might be rather "meh" or lukewarm about whoever is President, depending on who it is and their particular personality and style.

JFK had a lot of people who loved him like a god, whereas others hated him and saw him as an enemy of America. Reagan also had a large fan club of people who loved him intensely, but he also had many detractors who hated him just as intensely. It was somewhat the same with Clinton and Obama, although not so much with Bush. That is, a lot of people hated Bush, but not too many people loved him all that much; he was just kind of "there." (Actually it was the same for both Bush Sr. and Bush Jr.)

With Trump, the same phenomenon took place, but it seemed to escalate to unprecedented levels. I don't know if the nature of politics has changed all that much, although it appears that within the political culture, people may be more sensitive or more easily triggered by words, actions, and events which Americans were once able to endure and overcome more stoically. There seems to be a tendency to want to create more drama than there really is.

IMO people that were/are sick of both party and wanted something different got that with Trump.
Trump wasn't a politician, he didn't play by their party rules(made some rules up as he went) and he shook things up. That doesn't make him the answer, it makes him different, people wanted different.
I'm sick of both party's that are full of corruption and greed. Neither IMO care that much about America or the people. Its about themselves, getting wealthy and keeping their career political offices.
Both party's try very hard to hinder and work against each other and put very little effort into working together. Both party's have their groups they cater to only to get votes.
Right now the two best candidates are Trump and Biden.... One from a nursing home and one from a psych ward... That pretty much shows how bad American politics has gotten.

 

[We Never Know]

This is just ignorance and projection on your part. And yes, you do show all the signs of TDS.

I see that you are back to using "Green Ink" again. That was just a matter of time. You call legitimate courts of law "Kangaroo courts" and yet can never properly support that term. You cannot properly support any of your claims.

Lastly if you seriously want an answer to questions you need to learn how to ask them properly.


So much TDS to cut through.

"And yes, you do show all the signs of TDS"

What are all the signs of TDS per what it means?