Surprising lack of knowledge among theists.

[Willamena]

The point is... you don't need to know tidily about Moses or Noah's Ark to live a Christian life. Trying to impose YOUR STANDARDS on someone else's belief system is flawed at best and the motivation to do so is highly suspect.

Do you need to fully understand evolution to be an atheist? Yeah, it's just that stupid.

That I agree with.

 

[Storm]

Thanks..I'll take that into consideration..

And no Im not the one refusing to let it go..Look at his remarks..Has he let it go?..

Anyway ...thanks for your insight..

Love

Dallas

I thought you were never going to address me again? As for him not letting it go, you've got 6 posts just on this one page full of ad hominem. He hasn't attacked you personally, you have done the same to him.

 

[DallasApple]

I thought you were never going to address me again? As for him not letting it go, you've got 6 posts just on this one page full of ad hominem. He hasn't attacked you personally, you have done the same to him.

My post and my private PM to you that you just divulged were in synch..minutes apart..

You win..

Love

Dallas

 

[fantome profane]

Atheist do not believe in God in much the same way you do not believe in unicorns....

Actually just as an aside, I do believe in unicorns. I have very recently come to the realization that unicorns do in fact exist. Not pink or invisible unicorns, but cute nonetheless.

 

[Poisonshady313]

Let me try to sort this out...

Hehe. Ok... thats quite the elaboration. Did you even read my post in context? Or any of my posts?

However being told Im, creul, evil and going to hell just comes with the territory as an atheist. I am often misunderstood and then judged and labeled. You are of course entitled to your opinion.

Dallas... you told him he is mean and cruel.

He pointed out that "Cruel" is just one of a few other things he is called simply for being an atheist. NOT BY YOU... but in general, for being an atheist, he is called cruel (as you have done), or evil, or is told he is going to hell.

You are among those who misunderstand him, and judge him and label him.

He did not accuse you of doing anything you haven't done... and telling him he has does indeed make you a liar.

And you can't accuse me of being biased or ganging up on you.... I feel the same way about Atheists as I feel about Christians.

 

[DallasApple]

Let me try to sort this out...



Dallas... you told him he is mean and cruel.

He pointed out that "Cruel" is just one of a few other things he is called simply for being an atheist. NOT BY YOU... but in general, for being an atheist, he is called cruel (as you have done), or evil, or is told he is going to hell.

You are among those who misunderstand him, and judge him and label him.

He did not accuse you of doing anything you haven't done... and telling him he has does indeed make you a liar.

And you can't accuse me of being biased or ganging up on you.... I feel the same way about Atheists as I feel about Christians.

O.K then..Im sorry. But Im not a liar I just misred his intent ..And I do aplogize for calling you mean and cruel..and getting in a silly argument with you..

Love

Dallas

 

[logician]

"don't need to know tidily about Moses or Noah's Ark to live a Christian life"

Define "christian life". Do you need to know who Christ was, or any of his teachings?

Your post seems absurd. It's like saying you don't to take lessons in baking to be a baker.

 

[Scuba Pete]

"don't need to know tidily about Moses or Noah's Ark to live a Christian life"

Define "christian life". Do you need to know who Christ was, or any of his teachings?

Your post seems absurd. It's like saying you don't to take lessons in baking to be a baker.

No, what's absurd is people trying to tell others just HOW they should believe. There is but one tenet, according to Scriptures, that makes a person a Christian: Love. There were PLENTY of Christians before the scriptures, so using a modicum of logic, we can see that scriptures are NOT essential to be a Christian. C'mon, even YOU can see the logic in that.

 

[DallasApple]

No, what's absurd is people trying to tell others just HOW they should believe. There is but one tenet, according to Scriptures, that makes a person a Christian: Love. There were PLENTY of Christians before the scriptures, so using a modicum of logic, we can see that scriptures are NOT essential to be a Christian. C'mon, even YOU can see the logic in that.

I agree...Someone who not only believes there is ZERO God..but that Christ wasnt even a real person(completely made up fairy tale) let alone the Messiah..To instruct or advise people who DO believe they must be educated at a certain level based on his opninion is absurd..

Having said that?...I do believe we have to be taught about Jesus..CHRIST is the word in Christian..

But honestly?..I dont have to know the story of "Noahs Ark"..or David and Goliath..Or Sodom and Gomorah....or Song Of solomon(I love that one TEE HEE)...

Just Jesus..

Love

Dallas

 

[robtex]

On a sidenote to the OP the early history of the Christian religion, say the first 350 years or so with specific attention to the time line of events from zero a.d. on is quite interesting and if one were a Christian I hope paramount to their understanding of their faith.

 

[DallasApple]

On a sidenote to the OP the early history of the Christian religion, say the first 350 years or so with specific attention to the time line of events from zero a.d. on is quite interesting and if one were a Christian I hope paramount to their understanding of their faith.

You mean during the Constantine times and such?

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

Where pagan practices were incorporated and adopted into Christian "practices"?...To stop the riots ???

Love

Dallas

 

[robtex]

You mean during the Constantine times and such?

Love

Dallas

yeah anything and everything in the first 300-400 years after Christ's birth. I assume part of your (in particular) reason for being on RF is it is part of your spirtual journey. If I could offer my heathen input I think that is an important thing to read and learn about.

 

[DallasApple]

yeah anything and everything in the first 300-400 years after Christ's birth. I assume part of your (in particular) reason for being on RF is it is part of your spirtual journey. If I could offer my heathen input I think that is an important thing to read and learn about.

Lovely...you may offer your "heathen" input with welcome arms..Being that I'm no less heathen..Im no better or less than any other..and Im curious..(LOL!)..Im not a cat (except in my spirit world) so it won't kill me!

Love

Dallas

 

[Popeyesays]

In Dawkin's "The God Delusion", he quotes some statistics in studies about Christians in the U.S. as follows:

1. 75 percent of them could not name 1 old testament prophet.
2. 50 percent of them did not know who gave the Sermon on the Mount.
3. > 50 percent of them thought Moses was one of the disciples of Christ.

And this is in a religious country like the U.S. What conclusions can be drawn from such a woeful lack of knowledge about people's own religion?

Does he say a word about how the statistics were gathered?"Shallow Hal" Dawkins.

Regards,
Scott

 

[logician]

"There is but one tenet, according to Scriptures, that makes a person a Christian: Love"

This simply is an absurd statement.

 

[Scuba Pete]

"There is but one tenet, according to Scriptures, that makes a person a Christian: Love"

This simply is an absurd statement.

Only to an absurd individual. But we knew that.

 

[DallasApple]

Only to an absurd individual. But we knew that.

Love....Its absurd..?

Love

Dallas

 

[lilithu]

In Dawkin's "The God Delusion", he quotes some statistics in studies about Christians in the U.S. as follows:

1. 75 percent of them could not name 1 old testament prophet.
2. 50 percent of them did not know who gave the Sermon on the Mount.
3. > 50 percent of them thought Moses was one of the disciples of Christ.

And this is in a religious country like the U.S. What conclusions can be drawn from such a woeful lack of knowledge about people's own religion?

That this type of knowledge is not important for being Christian? Duh.

The above argument is like asking why many people who are patriotic don't know their U.S. history or their civics.

 

[robtex]

Does he say a word about how the statistics were gathered?"Shallow Hal" Dawkins.

Regards,
Scott

It was a secondary stat from a book by Robert Hinde called "Why God persists." It was taken from a 1954 gallop poll. The reason he used such an old stat is in that part of his book he was positioning the idea that older generations were uneducated in their religion. Really the key chapter in the book is chp 4 "Why there almost certainly is no God." If we were to use that book as an arguement for atheism the premises from that chapter would be a better starting point. The book was a New York times best seller. If theists could be less thin-skinned about an atheists/scientist disagreement on the existence of an Abrahamic God it really is an insightful read.

I don't think his states he quotes on page 383 of his book really matter much given that people who were polled there are very unlikely to be alive anymore. We would really need more modern states to honestly examine the OP.