Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe reason works in most cases. You should try it sometime.
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Taken me a lifetime to believe as I do and I still have questions
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe as usual you are wasting our time proclaiming this falsehood again and again as though it were true.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe that is a fantasy on your part.
FredVB
Member
There is something to this. There are those who say they follow Jesus, but they don't. They have the claim of being saved in Jesus name, and maybe prayed at some time, for the basis they see, but there is no spiritually meaningful change in their life. They have some beliefs about Jesus, but without observing what Jesus is known to have said, they do not do those things.
But, I do not believe there is some conflict or competition between Jesus and God. Scriptures are clear, there is one real God. There are scriptures that are clear that Jesus is God. Jesus is the Son from when he came in the incarnation. He is Logos in eternity, the Word with God who is God. We can just know Jesus through the incarnation, and he came as the promised Christ. Scriptures are clear that he said, "If you have seen me you have seen the Father," and he is fully one with the Father, with complete unity. There is the same purpose with no disagreement ever between the Word, who we know through the incarnation, and the heavenly Father, and those of us who are really believers with changed lives know of the Spirit of God who works through us. It will be with observing what Jesus Christ shows, with all he said included.
Audie
Veteran Member
Cute.
Show me how it's done.
How to use reason to defeat the entire
world scientific community in favour of
your chosen Bible readin'.
Audie
Veteran Member
Of course. Always a belief, never
a reason.
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chinu
chinu
How ?
Audie
Veteran Member
See above
Brian2
Veteran Member
1Cor 1:2 To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:
And from this site: 1 Corinthians 1:2 Commentaries: To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours: I get the following commentary on the verse.
I. First, it gives us a glimpse into the worship of the primitive Church.
To ‘call on the name of the Lord’ is an expression that comes straight out of the Old Testament. It means there distinctly adoration and invocation, and it means precisely these things when it is referred to Jesus Christ.
We find in the Acts of the Apostles that the very first sermon that was preached at Pentecost by Peter all turns upon this phrase. He quotes the Old Testament saying, ‘Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved,’ and then goes on to prove that ‘the Lord,’ the ‘calling on whose Name’ is salvation, is Jesus Christ; and winds up with ‘Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.’
Again we find that Ananias of Damascus, when Jesus Christ appeared to him and told him to go to Paul and lay his hands upon him, shrank from the perilous task because Paul had been sent to ‘bind them that call upon the name of the Lord,’ and to persecute them. We find the same phrase recurring in other connections, so that, on the whole, we may take the expression as a recognised designation of Christians.
This was their characteristic, that they prayed to Jesus Christ. The very first word, so far as we know, that Paul ever heard from a Christian was, ‘Lord Jesus! receive my spirit.’ He heard that cry of calm faith which, when he heard it, would sound to him as horrible blasphemy from Stephen’s dying lips. How little he dreamed that he himself was soon to cry to the same Jesus, ‘Lord, what wilt thou have me to do?’ and was in after-days to beseech Him thrice for deliverance, and to be answered by sufficient grace. How little he dreamed that, when his own martyrdom was near, he too would look to Jesus as Lord and righteous Judge, from whose hands all who loved His appearing should receive their crown! Nor only Paul directs desires and adoration to Jesus as Lord; the last words of Scripture are a cry to Him as Lord to come quickly, and an invocation of His ‘grace’ on all believing souls.
Prayer to Christ from the very beginning of the Christian Church was, then, the characteristic of believers, and He to whom they prayed, thus, from the beginning, was recognised by them as being a Divine Person, God manifest in the flesh.
The object of their worship, then, was known by the people among whom they lived. Singing hymns to Christus as a god is nearly all that the Roman proconsul in his well-known letter could find to tell his master of their worship. They were the worshippers-not merely the disciples-of one Christ. That was their peculiar distinction. Among the worshippers of the false gods they stood erect; before Him, and Him only, they bowed. In Corinth there was the polluted worship of Aphrodite and of Zeus. These men called not on the name of these lustful and stained deities, but on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. And everybody knew whom they worshipped, and understood whose men they were. Is that true about us? Do we Christian men so habitually cultivate the remembrance of Jesus Christ, and are we so continually in the habit of invoking His aid, and of contemplating His blessed perfections and sufficiency, that every one who knew us would recognise us as meant by those who call on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ?
If this be the proper designation of Christian people, alas! alas! for so many of the professing Christians of this day, whom neither bystanders nor themselves would think of as included in such a name!
Further, the connection here shows that the divine worship of Christ was universal among the churches. There was no ‘place’ where it was not practised, no community calling itself a church to whom He was not the Lord to be invoked and adored. This witness to the early and universal recognition in the Christian communities of the divinity of our Lord is borne by an undisputedly genuine epistle of Paul’s. Etc Etc
Rev 22: 20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.”
Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.
Rev 22:20 is praying to Jesus to come back.
Single line answer,
it's because the covenant between God and men says that men need to be so to be saved.
To dive deeper,
God's plan is to build an eternity we call Heaven for humans and angels to live with God, who is completely sin-incompatible, happily together. Humans and angels are entities created with the capabiblity of acting by freewill. Freewill in the end means one can choose to oppose God or obey Him. In terms of Law, those chose to oppose God means they will sin in accordance to their will thus cannot pass the Judgment of Law. By the hint given in the book of Revelation, there will be 1/3 angels failed the Judgment of Law. And since humans, though much less capable, are granted a much larger degree of freewill, by math there will be more than 2/3 humans failed the same Judgment.
However there's another factor jammed in. The much more capable and intelligent angels may have an influence on the co-existing humans, humans are futile in front of the 1/3 fallen angels. Under the influence of angels, no human can survive the Judgment. This is well witnessed (or proved) through Adam till Noah. The purpose of Law itself is for freewill to be expressed within a defined length of time. As a result, humans and earth shall be destroyed (by what we call a flood) as the very purpose of existence of humans and earth is defeated, that is, no humans can pass the Judgment of Law to enter Heaven to live with God. Law demands that the "field incapable of harvesting" shall cease to exist. This is conveyed by the less capable humans as a story (of Noah).
Another story (of Eden) implies that Adam fell due to the lack of obedience and faith in God. Law can only measure the factor of obedience. So if humans failed the Law which can only measure one's obedience, then how about the factor of faith? God thus swiched the measurement from obedience to faith. And since humans have no chance to pass the Judgment of Law, God uses covenants instead if Law as the new tool of measurement. This doesn't come without a price, or else it won't be fair to the angels who are subject to Law. Jesus God the Son thus made a self-sacrifice at some point of humanity, such that humans can be judged by covenants instead of Law.
Law is an objective mean where the chosen saints and angels and witness one's past deeds for a verdict to be made, more or less like the juries in court. Faith however cannot be witnessed the same way. So the Judgment of Covenant is completely different from that of Law. Faith is judged subjectively by God (to be more specific, it's God the Son). Humans are thus judged by the fair God subjectively using covenants as the baseline. Law can only be used to judge one's past and one's behavior, while God can judge not only one's behavior and one's past but also one's heart and even one's future (we humans can't tell to which extent though). Take up your cross and follow Jesus is part of the covenant currently in place.
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
One couldn't quote anything from Jesus/Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah, right?
Regards
I agree after I replace "known to have said" with "believed to have said".
The rapid drop in church attendance is to some degree the ending of the social expectations that people went to church. At one point you were suspect if you did not and suffered social repercussions.
Another reason is that the long list of all kinds of scandals that illustrate that ministers and priests are at best no better than everyone else. So why go to listen to people who are often hypocrites who do not practice what they preach.
I see two groups remaining. One are the fanatics who use religion as a main to obtain power ("Christian nationalists") and a number who truly believe and try to remake their lives based on the principles in scripture.
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
Because Paul taught them that they are saved by him being crucified.
I, [even] I, [am] YHWH; and beside me [there is] no saviour.
Isaiah 43:11
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Christians think Jesus IS god.
Madmogwai
Madmogwai
In the Christian faith, prayer is an essential practice that allows believers to communicate with God. While Christians believe in one God, they also believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ, whom they consider to be the Son of God. As a result, Christians often pray directly to Jesus as an intermediary between them and God.
The choice to address prayers to Jesus is rooted in the belief that Jesus serves as a bridge between humanity and God. Christians view Jesus as the embodiment of God's love and mercy, and they believe that he intercedes on their behalf. They believe that through his life, death, and resurrection, Jesus opened the possibility for humans to have a personal relationship with God.
Furthermore, Christians find solace in the teachings of Jesus, which emphasize compassion, forgiveness, and guidance. Praying to Jesus allows them to seek his wisdom and guidance in their daily lives. They believe that Jesus understands their struggles and can provide comfort and support in times of need.
It is important to note that while Christians pray to Jesus, they also recognize the importance of praying to God the Father. They acknowledge that Jesus himself taught his disciples to pray to the Father, and they follow this example in their own prayer practices. Christians believe in the Holy Trinity, which includes God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit, and they understand that all three are interconnected in their divine nature.
The choice to address prayers to Jesus is rooted in the belief that Jesus serves as a bridge between humanity and God. Christians view Jesus as the embodiment of God's love and mercy, and they believe that he intercedes on their behalf. They believe that through his life, death, and resurrection, Jesus opened the possibility for humans to have a personal relationship with God.
Furthermore, Christians find solace in the teachings of Jesus, which emphasize compassion, forgiveness, and guidance. Praying to Jesus allows them to seek his wisdom and guidance in their daily lives. They believe that Jesus understands their struggles and can provide comfort and support in times of need.
It is important to note that while Christians pray to Jesus, they also recognize the importance of praying to God the Father. They acknowledge that Jesus himself taught his disciples to pray to the Father, and they follow this example in their own prayer practices. Christians believe in the Holy Trinity, which includes God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit, and they understand that all three are interconnected in their divine nature.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I can understand logical fallacies.
Anthrpologists look at the size of the brain cavity in a skull and state it is more intelligent because the space is bigger but elephants have bigger brain cavities and they ae not more intelligent. My conclusion is that they jump to conclusions based on a logical fallacy.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe we know Jesus as God in the flesh. Other people may have thoughts but we have knowledge.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I do not believe that is the case. Paul said we are saved by grace: Eph. 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
I believe Jesus is God and that verse is another proof of it since it was the angel who named Jesus Savior.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe it is a fantasy on your part because there is no way for you to know what goes on in a person's head. I know what goes on in mine and I know the difference between ego and Jesus.
Soandso
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That is definitely not true - not in modern science or even anthropology. Site your sources