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Talking Snakes, Donkeys and Bushes

nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
Subduction Zone said:
Wrong, I merely know much more than you do. That is obvious. There are many people that know more than I do. As I pointed out you can't even ask proper questions and hypocritically complain when your poorly asked questions are answered for you.

Once again, can you be honest?
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That's okay. I don't mind you knowing more nonsense than I do.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
Now, everyone who has read the Genesis account knows that the text, if taken literally at face value, would read that the serpent in the garden of Eden who deceived Eve was talking. But, at the same time we all know that not to be the case. Atheists seem to have a difficult time with distinguishing the difference between the literal and the figurative. I personally think this is a mock stupidity in order to make a point, for example, saying that the Bible has talking snakes when it is abundantly clear, even to a simple child, that it was Satan, not the literal serpent, that was speaking to Eve. The account is given in her perspective so the snake seems to be talking.

The same principle applies to Balaam's a s s and the burning bush. Numbers 22:28 / 2 Peter 2:16 / Exodus 3:2-5

In all of these cases it is't the snake, or the a s s or the bush that are speaking.
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I believe you are wrong on two counts about the serpent. It was a real being not a figurative one and could talk. It is not Satan although it certainly acted in a sinful manner but then humans don't have a monopoly on sin.

As for Balaam's *** I suspect a spirit put words in its mouth since an *** can't talk.

I believe a bush can't speak but God can speak from wherever He is and He is everywhere.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Subduction Zone said:
Yet the Bible clearly says that Balaam's Donkey spoke. It may have had assistance, but if you read the story it does say that the donkey spoke, not that Balaam thought that he heard the donkey talk.

I guess that one does not take the Bible literally when it is obviously stupidly wrong. Amazing that they do not realize the Bible is stupidly wrong in regards to the flood myth.
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I believe it isn't wrong if the donkey spoke with assistance and the Bible is not wrong about the flood either.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
columbus said:
You might be surprised by how many people don't recognize Genesis for the primitive fiction that it is.

I thought you were one of them. How did I mistake you for a person who believes that Genesis is true and evolution is false?
Tom
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I believe evolution is fiction and Genesis is the word of God.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Muffled said:
I believe it isn't wrong if the donkey spoke with assistance and the Bible is not wrong about the flood either.
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Then you are demonstrably wrong. It is easy to show that there was no flood. All of the evidence out there tells us that there was no flood. To claim that there was a worldwide flood is to call your God a liar. Why would you do that?
 
C

columbus

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Muffled said:
I believe evolution is fiction and Genesis is the word of God.
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People once commonly believed that the sun revolved around the earth and black people were cursed to be servants of white people.

They usually supported their beliefs by quoting Genesis. I came to the belief that the Bible has almost nothing to do with God. Except in the sense of people creating God in their own image for their own purposes.
Tom
 
nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
columbus said:
People once commonly believed that the sun revolved around the earth and black people were cursed to be servants of white people.

They usually supported their beliefs by quoting Genesis. I came to the belief that the Bible has almost nothing to do with God. Except in the sense of people creating God in their own image for their own purposes.
Tom
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Sad. The Bible did warn against believing false prophets.
Believing what others say without doing thorough research could be disastrous.
 
nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
columbus said:
But they weren't believing in false prophets. They were supporting their beliefs with Scripture.
Tom
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Anybody can pull a scripture or two to support anything they like, but does the scriptures overall support those ideas? I don't find support for those claims in the scriptures.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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nPeace said:
If it's so full of failed prophecies, surely you can provide more than one of those - can you?
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Of course I can. Let's see if you can be honest. The Tyre prophesy is probably the most obvious failed prophecy in the Old Testament. It also tests Bible believers. To claim that it has been fulfilled they have to denigrate prophecy to the point of it being worthless.
 
AManCalledHorse

AManCalledHorse

If you build it they will come
Subduction Zone said:
Of course I can. Let's see if you can be honest. The Tyre prophesy is probably the most obvious failed prophecy in the Old Testament. It also tests Bible believers. To claim that it has been fulfilled they have to denigrate prophecy to the point of it being worthless.
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Its can only be viewed as a failed prophecy if you take the bible literally, as written, without error. Only fundies do that.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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AManCalledHorse said:
Its can only be viewed as a failed prophecy if you take the bible literally, as written, without error. Only fundies do that.
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It is a worthless prophesy if not read fairly literally. It was aimed at the King of Tyre. Nebuchadnezzar failed in his attack. One has to be very dishonest and ignorant of history to try to extend it beyond him.
 
nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
Subduction Zone said:
Of course I can. Let's see if you can be honest. The Tyre prophesy is probably the most obvious failed prophecy in the Old Testament. It also tests Bible believers. To claim that it has been fulfilled they have to denigrate prophecy to the point of it being worthless.
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You'll have to be more specific about the prophecy, and its failed fulfillment, because I from what I know, the prophecy concerning Tyre was fulfilled, and I mentioned it here.
 
nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
AManCalledHorse said:
Do you believe the bible is the word of god and should be taken literally?
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I believe the Bible is the word of God, and is not understood by those who are critical of it, because God does not let them understand.

It is a collection of books that therefore is not to be understood as either literal or figurative. Some parts are figurative, others are literal.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
nPeace said:
You'll have to be more specific about the prophecy, and its failed fulfillment, because I from what I know, the prophecy concerning Tyre was fulfilled, and I mentioned it here.
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Nope, that is not the Tyre prophesy, though the odds are that that is a failed prophesy as well.

The Tyre prophesy begins in Ezekiel 26:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+26&version=NIV

Continues through Ezekiel 27:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+27&version=NIV

And finishes in Ezekiel 28:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+28&version=NIV


The short version is that he predicts that Nebuchadnezzar will attack and totally obliterate Tyre never to be found again. He failed.
 
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