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Talking Snakes, Donkeys and Bushes

Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
nPeace said:
I believe the Bible is the word of God, and is not understood by those who are critical of it, because God does not let them understand.

It is a collection of books that therefore is not to be understood as either literal or figurative. Some parts are figurative, others are literal.
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So now you are claiming that your version of God is immoral. Interesting.
 
nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
Subduction Zone said:
Nope, that is not the Tyre prophesy, though the odds are that that is a failed prophesy as well.

The Tyre prophesy begins in Ezekiel 26:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+26&version=NIV

Continues through Ezekiel 27:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+27&version=NIV

And finishes in Ezekiel 28:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+28&version=NIV


The short version is that he predicts that Nebuchadnezzar will attack and totally obliterate Tyre never to be found again. He failed.
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Ezekiel 26-28
...be right back.
 
nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
Subduction Zone said:
That tells us either your logic is faulty or you have very poor morals yourself. Your version of God won't let others understand his book of myths according to you. Since one's salvation would. Depend upon understanding you are saying that God is evil.
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Why do you like to take your words that come from your atheistic mind and try to put them in the mouth of Godly people?
I'm sure you would not like the same to be done to you.

So maybe you can try applying some of those texts you like to pull out in order to wrongfully judge others.
Like this one.
(Matthew 7:12) . . .“All things, therefore, that you want men to do to you, you also must do to them. This, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
nPeace said:
Why do you like to take your words that come from your atheistic mind and try to put them in the mouth of Godly people?
I'm sure you would not like the same to be done to you.

So maybe you can try applying some of those texts you like to pull out in order to wrongfully judge others.
Like this one.
(Matthew 7:12) . . .“All things, therefore, that you want men to do to you, you also must do to them. This, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean.
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Don't put on false airs. You are no more "Godly" than I am. Your post was rather rude and it got what you perceived as a rude post in response. You made an error in trying to claim that atheists did not understand the Bible. Then you said that God plays hide and seek and cheats for his friends. That was a claim that God is immoral.
 
nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
Subduction Zone said:
Don't put on false airs. You are no more "Godly" than I am. Your post was rather rude and it got what you perceived as a rude post in response. You made an error in trying to claim that atheists did not understand the Bible. Then you said that God plays hide and seek and cheats for his friends. That was a claim that God is immoral.
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It's pointless showing you anything regarding your arrogance, so I am not going to try anymore. I'll leave to to yourself.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
nPeace said:
It's pointless showing you anything regarding your arrogance, so I am not going to try anymore. I'll leave to to yourself.
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Amazing projection. I only gave you a small dose of your own behavior. And then applied applied bit of logic to your claim.

Try not to make false claims about others and see if you can apply reason to tye consequences of your own claims. Your description of God paints him applied an evil being. Perhaps you might want to reconsider what your God's traits are. You claimed that he punishes people unjustly.
 
allfoak

allfoak

Alchemist
RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
In all of these cases it is't the snake, or the a s s or the bush that are speaking.
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None of the Bible should be taken literally.
The history is a cloak used to hide what can be found by turning what is written within.
The history is full of holes because it was never meant to be accurate.
The contradictions and absurdities are there in order to get people to look deeper for meaning that can be found behind the historical account.
 
nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
allfoak said:
None of the Bible should be taken literally.
The history is a cloak used to hide what can be found by turning what is written within.
The history is full of holes because it was never meant to be accurate.
The contradictions and absurdities are there in order to get people to look deeper for meaning that can be found behind the historical account.
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What reliable source are you speaking from?
 
Earthling

Earthling

David Henson
allfoak said:
None of the Bible should be taken literally.
The history is a cloak used to hide what can be found by turning what is written within.
The history is full of holes because it was never meant to be accurate.
The contradictions and absurdities are there in order to get people to look deeper for meaning that can be found behind the historical account.
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You do realize that when you make unsupported claims like that you are just preaching to the choir, don't you?
 
nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
Subduction Zone said:
Nope, that is not the Tyre prophesy, though the odds are that that is a failed prophesy as well.

The Tyre prophesy begins in Ezekiel 26:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+26&version=NIV

Continues through Ezekiel 27:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+27&version=NIV

And finishes in Ezekiel 28:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+28&version=NIV


The short version is that he predicts that Nebuchadnezzar will attack and totally obliterate Tyre never to be found again. He failed.
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I have to say. I find this quite amazing.

According to what I read in the scriptures, I believe you are very much mistaken.
Actually this only validate the truthfulness of scripture.

Ezekiel 26:3-5 . . .Here I am against you, O Tyre, and I will bring up many nations against you, just as the sea brings up its waves. 4 They will destroy the walls of Tyre and tear down her towers, and I will scrape away soil and make her a shining, bare rock. 5 She will become a drying yard for dragnets in the midst of the sea.’. . .

This is all you need. I don't even have to go any further... but I will.

Here is perhaps where you are mistaken.
Ezekiel 26:7-12

I believe you are mistaken into thinking that because the verses start off with the mention of Nebuchadnezzar, then they should supposedly end with Nebuchadnezzar.
This is what I was alluding to earlier.

You totally overlooked, or ignored, the previous verses 3 and 4, and I understand why.

When did Nebuchadnezzar attack Tyre?
Ezekiel 29:17, 18
17 Now in the 27th year, in the first month, on the first day of the month, the word of Jehovah came to me, saying: 18 “Son of man, King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon made his army labor greatly against Tyre. Every head became bald, and every shoulder was rubbed bare. But he and his army received no wages for the labor he expended on Tyre.

Consider the list:
There is one missing from the list.
The Achaemenid Empire of King Cyrus the Great conquered the city in 539 BC and kept it under its rule until 332 BC.

The prophecy was fulfilled, just as it had been prophecied.
This is exactly what we would expect from a book that is of divine origin.

I don't expect that you won't make the same mistake again.
It's expected.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
nPeace said:
I have to say. I find this quite amazing.

According to what I read in the scriptures, I believe you are very much mistaken.
Actually this only validate the truthfulness of scripture.

Ezekiel 26:3-5 . . .Here I am against you, O Tyre, and I will bring up many nations against you, just as the sea brings up its waves. 4 They will destroy the walls of Tyre and tear down her towers, and I will scrape away soil and make her a shining, bare rock. 5 She will become a drying yard for dragnets in the midst of the sea.’. . .
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It appears that you do not understand the prophecy. That prophecy was aimed at the king of Tyre. Nebby failed. He did not tear down the walls of Tyre.

This is all you need. I don't even have to go any further... but I will.

Here is perhaps where you are mistaken.
Ezekiel 26:7-12

I believe you are mistaken into thinking that because the verses start off with the mention of Nebuchadnezzar, then they should supposedly end with Nebuchadnezzar.
This is what I was alluding to earlier.
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But they do. Only very dishonest people would claim anything else.

You totally overlooked, or ignored, the previous verses 3 and 4, and I understand why.

When did Nebuchadnezzar attack Tyre?
Ezekiel 29:17, 18
17 Now in the 27th year, in the first month, on the first day of the month, the word of Jehovah came to me, saying: 18 “Son of man, King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon made his army labor greatly against Tyre. Every head became bald, and every shoulder was rubbed bare. But he and his army received no wages for the labor he expended on Tyre.
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Correct. Zeke admitted his own failure.

Consider the list:
There is one missing from the list.
The Achaemenid Empire of King Cyrus the Great conquered the city in 539 BC and kept it under its rule until 332 BC.

The prophecy was fulfilled, just as it had been prophecied.
This is exactly what we would expect from a book that is of divine origin.

I don't expect that you won't make the same mistake again.
It's expected.
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Sorry, it does not work that way. There was a reason that Tyre had such strong walls. I will let you try to figure it out. And you need to learn when a prophecy is a failed prophecy. Right now you are lowering the level of Biblical prophecy to the value of my claiming that tomorrow you will see a red car.
 
nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
Subduction Zone said:
It appears that you do not understand the prophecy. That prophecy was aimed at the king of Tyre. Nebby failed. He did not tear down the walls of Tyre.



But they do. Only very dishonest people would claim anything else.



Correct. Zeke admitted his own failure.



Sorry, it does not work that way. There was a reason that Tyre had such strong walls. I will let you try to figure it out. And you need to learn when a prophecy is a failed prophecy. Right now you are lowering the level of Biblical prophecy to the value of my claiming that tomorrow you will see a red car.
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Sorry. Only a cheating deck of cards fall the way the cheat wants them to.
 
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