"Teaching Creationism is Child Abuse"

[Walkntune]

Generally a tyranny of mass government starts with a tyrant/revolution. I'd ultimately agree with you the people ignore eternal causes for problems, but I don't think Bibles and guns are exactly blameless. If the Anarchist Cookbook is lying around, a seven year old kid starts a fire, we tend to be mad at the book. I don't think there was evil or self-righteousness there with the kid, and certainly if the book wasn't laying around, some kid's ignorance wouldn't have got them in trouble. Takes two to tango, as they say. Same for people doing evil stuff with objects.

To blame the Bible for the evil men do it is name is the same as blaming love for hatred. The bible teaches to love you enemies and bless those who curse you.Do you believe doing away with love will solve the problem of Haterd.
Psychiatrist J. T. Fisher states: "If you were to take the sum total of all authoritative articles ever written by the most qualified of psychologists and psychiatrists on the subject of mental hygiene ‑- if you were to combine them and refine them, and cleave out the excess verbiage -‑ if you were to take the whole of the meat and none of the parsley, and if you were to have these unadulterated bits of pure scientific knowledge concisely expressed by the most capable of living poets, you would have an awkward and incomplete summation of the Sermon on the Mount. And it would suffer immeasurably through comparison. For nearly 2,000 years the Christian world has been holding in its hands the complete answer to its restless and fruitless yearnings. Here ... rests the blueprint for successful human life with optimism, mental health, and contentment."
We can't blame love for hatred.We can lower the standards all we want but eventually we will have to look at ourselves for who we truly are.

 

[Walkntune]

Interesting that a thread about the age of the earth became a thread about the 2nd amendment. I think it just shows how important it is to some people to hang onto their ignorance.

"You can take my ignorance when you can pry it out if my cold dead hands".

We speak from such hatred in a self perspective way that we are not even aware that the one we attack does not own a gun.

 

[Walkntune]

The difference is that science and the gun are just tools, whereas the Bible has often been the reason. Huge difference. HUGE!

Not the bible. Power, control, and money are the culprits.Those who operate as such will use any means necessary including the bible.

 

[dust1n]

Interesting that a thread about the age of the earth became a thread about the 2nd amendment. I think it just shows how important it is to some people to hang onto their ignorance.

"You can take my ignorance when you can pry it out if my cold dead hands".

I was trying to tie it all back in. I failed.

 

[fantome profane]

I was trying to tie it all back in. I failed.

Well I thought I would give it a try.

 

[Walkntune]

It all ties in to the fact man has become so evil in his heart they would accuse teaching a child the love of Christ as child abuse. They have turned the truth into a lie.

 

[dust1n]

To blame the Bible for the evil men do it is name is the same as blaming love for hatred. The bible teaches to love you enemies and bless those who curse you.Do you believe doing away with love will solve the problem of Haterd.

No. People do evil things with random objects. Random objects are still part of the equation, you can't divorce them for the evil or good in which an object is capable of inspiring some act, whether good or bad.

 

[dust1n]

Well I thought I would give it a try.

You did much better than me. I'll let the topic normalize before commenting further. That ought help the situation.

 

[fantome profane]

It all ties in to the fact man has become so evil in his heart they would accuse teaching a child the love of Christ as child abuse. They have turned the truth into a lie.

So scientists tell us that the earth is around 4.5 billion years old not because of the evidence, but because "man has become so evil in his heart". Is that the idea?

 

[Walkntune]

No. People do evil things with random objects. Random objects are still part of the equation, you can't divorce them for the evil or good in which an object is capable of inspiring some act, whether good or bad.

The inspiration for death comes from life.To do away with one for the sake of the other is the foolishness of the argument.

 

[Walkntune]

So scientists tell us that the earth is around 4.5 billion years old not because of the evidence, but because "man has become so evil in his heart". Is that the idea?

How many of these sicientists are Christian who follow the Good book?

 

[Skwim]

Not the bible. Power, control, and money are the culprits.Those who operate as such will use any means necessary including the bible.

Please note that I have since edited the post to which you have replied here.

FYI> The definition of "Religious War" from Wikipedia.

"A religious war (Latin: bellum sacrum) is a war caused by, or justified by, religious differences. It can involve one state with an established religion against another state with a different religion or a different sect within the same religion, or a religiously motivated group attempting to spread its faith by violence, or to suppress another group because of its religious beliefs or practices. The Muslim conquests, the Crusades, the Reconquista, and the French Wars of Religion are frequently cited historical examples."
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And if you're familiar with Christian religious history you'll remember that the Bible was the raison d'être for the French Wars of Religion. This, plus the fact that the Bible itself relates how god incited his believers to war, leaves no doubt about the role the Bible plays in condoning violence and killing. The point being, were it not for the Bible these wars would have never occurred.

 

[fantome profane]

How many of these sicientists are Christian who follow the Good book?

Around 40 percent. Why?

 

[Walkntune]

Please note that I have since edited the post to which you have replied here.

FYI> The definition of "Religious War" from Wikipedia.

"A religious war (Latin: bellum sacrum) is a war caused by, or justified by, religious differences. It can involve one state with an established religion against another state with a different religion or a different sect within the same religion, or a religiously motivated group attempting to spread its faith by violence, or to suppress another group because of its religious beliefs or practices. The Muslim conquests, the Crusades, the Reconquista, and the French Wars of Religion are frequently cited historical examples."
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And if you're familiar with Christian religious history you'll remember that the Bible was the raison d'être for the French Wars of Religion. This, plus the fact that the Bible itself relates how god incited his believers to war, leaves no doubt about the role the Bible plays in condoning violence and killing. The point being, were it not for the Bible these wars would have never occurred.

Attempting to spread its faith by violence, or to suppress another group because of its religious beliefs or practices is CONTROL!There will always be wars. Those who can only see a shallow version of reality based in facts from surface materialistic thinking will always be at odds with those who see past the surface in depth no matter what religions are created.It seems those who only see from a surface point of view always become the ones controlling as they have to face the fear of what is the unknown.

 

[Skwim]

Attempting to spread its faith by violence, or to suppress another group because of its religious beliefs or practices is CONTROL!

So?? It goes without saying that the object of an act is not always the same as its impetus.

In any case, teaching creationism is child abuse.

 

[Walkntune]

So?? It goes without saying that the object of an act is not always the same as its impetus.

In any case, teaching creationism is child abuse.

And so the control begins.

 

[Revoltingest]

And so the control begins.

And now we can start prosecuting YEC fundies as though they were child molesters.
Next, let's go after the Jews (Chosen people, indeed!), Muslims (nothing wrong with
pork) & Hindus (castes & so many gods) for teaching their kids religious myths too.

 

[Skwim]

And now we can start prosecuting YEC fundies as though they were child molesters.

Compassion! Compassion! my dear man.        Well, that and a good dose reality.

 

[outhouse]

And now we can start prosecuting YEC fundies as though they were child molesters.
Next, let's go after the Jews (Chosen people, indeed!), Muslims (nothing wrong with
pork) & Hindus (castes & so many gods) for teaching their kids religious myths too.

I agree with you 100%


Yeesh the first thing we teach our children is a bunny brings eggs at easter, a red suited man brings presents, and a fairy brings money for discarded teeth.

And if someone wants to teach creation at home so be it, I dont like it, but they do deserve their freedom.

But in school and what is taught to my child, had better not be mythology in place of known science. At that point it is abuse.


I think its a sharp word that had better be well explained and not thrown around out of context. I do like Laurence and do value his words.

 

[Riverwolf]

Exactly. If it came to a medical emergency, most of these people denouncing science would rush to a hospital at the drop of the hat rather than rely upon their faith and prayer alone (and those that do, well, it never really ends well for them, now does it?)

Even the ancients didn't do that; sure they had their rituals and prayers, but they were accompanied by medicine men administering their simple remedies.