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Teachings of the Bible based on hatred

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lina11

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The Holy (?) Bible preaches hatred for other religions through its ten commandments!
While narrating to Moses the first of the ten commandments, Jehovah says: You shall have no other gods before me. - Exodus 20.3

The commandments given by the Bible God (?) evoke hatred for idol worshippers!
While narrating to Moses the second commandment, Jehovah says: You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God. - Exodus 20.4 & 5

Bible preaches that idol worshippers be destroyed!

a) Bible God (?) hates idol worship!
(Jehova says to Moses) Neither shalt thou set thee up any image; which the LORD thy God hateth. - Deuteronomy 16.22

Bible preaches that idol worshippers be cursed!
(Moses gave the commandments to people saying) Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place. - Deuteronomy 27.15

c) The Holy (?) Bible preaches that temples of idol worshippers be destroyed!
Destroy completely all the places on the high mountains and on the hills and under every spreading tree where the nations you are dispossessing worship their gods. Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and burn their Asherah poles in the fire; cut down the idols of their gods and wipe out their names from those places. - Deuteronomy 12.2 & 3

This dictum gives permanence to the phenomenon of hatred, and passion for destruction, as long as Jews and Christians live on this earth, as they consider their Bible as Holy Bible, though howsoever unholy it may sound. Circumstances may change, environment may get drastically modified, but their agenda for hate and destruction must never end! - (Ref.: Hidden Face of Christianity, Vol. II. Page 23. Author - Shri. Maanoj Rakhit)

d) Bible spreads peace (?) by propagating that people belonging to other religions be killed!
Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed. - Exodus 22.20

Bible advocates severing of all relations with people belonging to other religions out of hatred
a) Do not marry with idol worshippers!
(In the context of how to transact with nations inhabited by idol worshippers, Jehova says: Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, for they will turn your sons away from following me to serve other gods, and the LORD's anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you. - Deuteronomy 7.3 & 4

Worshipping God of another faith amounts to committing adultery, says the Bible!
(After Joshua's death, the Israelites started worshipping gods other than Jehova. So Jehova put many difficulties on them and appointed judges to save them) Then the LORD raised up judges, who saved them out of the hands of these raiders. Yet they would not listen to their judges but prostituted themselves to other gods and worshiped them. Unlike their fathers, they quickly turned from the way in which their fathers had walked, the way of obedience to the LORD's commands. - Judges 2.16 & 17

c) Bible rates idol worshippers at the same level as people indulging in homosexual relations
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. - Letter to Corinthians 6.9 & 10
 

lina11

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Bible prescribes that people of other faiths are fit to be killed!

a) The Bible god himself killed idol worshippers and ordered his followers to do the same!
For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off. Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images. - Exodus 23.23 & 24

The Bibles preaches that deities of other religions are fake and and their followers should be rightfully killed!
(Elijah challenged 450 prophets of Baal (followers of another faith) on Mt. Carmel and said) Get two bulls for us. Let them choose one for themselves, and let them cut it into pieces and put it on the wood but not set fire to it. I will prepare the other bull and put it on the wood but not set fire to it. Then you call on the name of your god, and I will call on the name of the LORD. The god who answers by fire - he is God.
Then all the people said, "What you say is good." Midday passed, and they continued their frantic prophesying until the time for the evening sacrifice. But there was no response, no one answered, no one paid attention.

At the time of sacrifice, the prophet Elijah stepped forward and prayed: "O LORD, God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, let it be known today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant and have done all these things at your command. Answer me, O LORD, answer me, so these people will know that you, O LORD, are God, and that you are turning their hearts back again." Then the fire of the LORD fell and burned up the sacrifice, the wood, the stones and the soil, and also licked up the water in the trench.

Then Elijah commanded them, "Seize the prophets of Baal. Don't let anyone get away!" They seized them, and Elijah had them brought down to the Kishon Valley and slaughtered there. - 1 Kings 18.23, 24, 29, 36, 37, 38 & 40.

In other words, no human has the right to worship any god other than the God of Christian Bible. If they do, they should all be eliminated from the face of this earth. - (Ref.: Hidden Face of Christianity, Vol. II. Page 23. Author - Shri. Maanoj Rakhit)

c) The Bible God advocates killing Prophets of other Gods out of hatred
(While explaining to Moses the commandments, Jehovah says: If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you. - Deuteronomy 13.1, 2, 3 & 5

Bible advocates that persons who attempt conversion of faith should be mercilessly killed!


a) Bible advocates that a person who attempts to convert faith should be stoned to death
If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. - Deuteronomy 13.6, 8, 9 & 10
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
Bible prescribes that people of other faiths are fit to be killed!

Oh...all of them?

Lev 19:33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.

Lev 19:34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.


Your reading seems a tad selective at times.
 

Lindsey-Loo

Steel Magnolia
Highly amusing.

First of all, most of your verses are from the Old Testament. That renders them void for Christians. We don't follow the Old Testament. So no, we aren't supposed to kill idol worshipers now. In fact, in the New testament, Jesus teaches against all hatred.

Secondly, I didn't read anywhere in the primary sources you presented that God commands hatred for other religions, or people of other religions. I just read that I as a Christian am not allowed to do certain things.

Thirdly, even though the Bible doesn't say this, um...no, duh, of course God is going to tell his followers that other religions are a little bad. That's kind of a given. If you're a christian, you're generally going to believe that your religion is the true one.

No where in what we follow does it say that we are supposed to hate anyone. On the contrary, Christians are commanded to love everyone.

And just curious, but is there anyone these days that literally worships a graven image? I'm sure there must be some out there, but I'm not positive.

So, anyway, no. I'm afraid I'll have to reject your claim that the Bible is based on hatred.
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
And just curious, but is there anyone these days that literally worships a graven image? I'm sure there must be some out there, but I'm not positive.

Actually, yes. Though it's much less in fashion than it used to be.

Anyway, that's a different thread.
 

Kcnorwood

Well-Known Member
Highly amusing.

First of all, most of your verses are from the Old Testament. That renders them void for Christians. We don't follow the Old Testament. So no, we aren't supposed to kill idol worshipers now. In fact, in the New testament, Jesus teaches against all hatred.

Secondly, I didn't read anywhere in the primary sources you presented that God commands hatred for other religions, or people of other religions. I just read that I as a Christian am not allowed to do certain things.

Thirdly, even though the Bible doesn't say this, um...no, duh, of course God is going to tell his followers that other religions are a little bad. That's kind of a given. If you're a christian, you're generally going to believe that your religion is the true one.

No where in what we follow does it say that we are supposed to hate anyone. On the contrary, Christians are commanded to love everyone.

And just curious, but is there anyone these days that literally worships a graven image? I'm sure there must be some out there, but I'm not positive.

So, anyway, no. I'm afraid I'll have to reject your claim that the Bible is based on hatred.


There are places in the NT where God is not so nice also There are bible versus about Jesus that are less then flattering. I disagree with you on the OT you can preach the good things in the OT but you all pay no heed to the killings on the OT. Why is that?



Romans 5:12 God punishes everyone for someone else's sin; then he saves them by killing an innocent victim.

Ephesians 5:12 The bloody death of Jesus smelled good to God.

1 Thessalonians 1:10 God is planning a messy, mass murder in "the wrath to come" and only Jesus can save you from it.

Don't get me into the book of Revelation.
 

Lindsey-Loo

Steel Magnolia
There are places in the NT where God is not so nice also There are bible versus about Jesus that are less then flattering. I disagree with you on the OT you can preach the good things in the OT but you all pay no heed to the killings on the OT. Why is that?



Romans 5:12 God punishes everyone for someone else's sin; then he saves them by killing an innocent victim.

Ephesians 5:12 The bloody death of Jesus smelled good to God.

1 Thessalonians 1:10 God is planning a messy, mass murder in "the wrath to come" and only Jesus can save you from it.

Don't get me into the book of Revelation.

I preach nothing from the OT. I don't believe we can preach that we are bound by anything in the OT, unless it is reiterated in the NT. Just so's ya knows. ;)

Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—
Romans 5:12

All this says to me is that human beings brought sin into the world, and when mankind is in sin, we are all dead. It also says that all have sinned, so I don't know where you're getting that we're being punished for someone else's sin from.

For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret.
Ephesians 5:12

Ummm...I think you might have had the wrong verse?

and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead,
even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.
1 Thessalonians 1:10

Ok, what this says to me is that Jesus is going to save us from the wrath to come. Which I'm assuming is eternal punishment.

How is all of that so very bad?
 

cardero

Citizen Mod
Razzamatazz writes: First of all, most of your verses are from the Old Testament. That renders them void for Christians.
I don’t remember them rendered as null.
Razzamatazz writes:We don't follow the Old Testament.
Oh no? Then what is it doing in the Bible?
Razzamatazz writes:So no, we aren't supposed to kill idol worshipers now. In fact, in the New testament, Jesus teaches against all hatred.
Jesus and God as two separate entities, now there's a concept.
 
The Holy (?) Bible preaches hatred for other religions through its ten commandments!
While narrating to Moses the first of the ten commandments, Jehovah says: You shall have no other gods before me. - Exodus 20.3

The God of the bible declares that he is the ONly true GOd. Therefore he commands that no other so called "god" be brought before him. This is not hatred, it is simply truth.

The commandments given by the Bible God (?) evoke hatred for idol worshippers!
While narrating to Moses the second commandment, Jehovah says: You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God. - Exodus 20.4 & 5

You are adding to what the verse says. God does not hate anyone, he hates the sin, the act that persons do. God hates idoltry, he doesn't hate idolterers. Afterall, just becuase the perfect God declares something wrong doesn't mean he is "hating on you." It simply means he's stating what is true.

Worshipping God of another faith amounts to committing adultery, says the Bible!
(After Joshua's death, the Israelites started worshipping gods other than Jehova. So Jehova put many difficulties on them and appointed judges to save them) Then the LORD raised up judges, who saved them out of the hands of these raiders. Yet they would not listen to their judges but prostituted themselves to other gods and worshiped them. Unlike their fathers, they quickly turned from the way in which their fathers had walked, the way of obedience to the LORD's commands. - Judges 2.16 & 17

c) Bible rates idol worshippers at the same level as people indulging in homosexual relations
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. - Letter to Corinthians 6.9 & 10

Yes? And What is your point at stating theses things? If God said so he said so. SIn is sin no matter how many the different forms.
 

cardero

Citizen Mod
Yəhošafat writes: The God of the bible declares that he is the ONly true GOd. Therefore he commands that no other so called "god" be brought before him. This is not hatred, it is simply truth.
The Bible doesn’t declare that He is the only True God but the first God. No other gods existed before Him but that doesn’t mean any other entities existing afterwards are not gods too.

Yəhošafat writes: You are adding to what the verse says. God does not hate anyone, he hates the sin, the act that persons do. God hates idoltry, he doesn't hate idolterers. Afterall, just becuase the perfect God declares something wrong doesn't mean he is "hating on you." It simply means he's stating what is true.
Jealousy is not an aspect best suited to a Supreme Being either.
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
It is so easy to take quotes from the bible out of context and make them seem whatever you want them to seem. (Christians do this, too.)

About this idolatry debate:
We live in a strange society nowadays. Some people think that they should be able to do whatever they want to do, hurt anyone they want, hurt themselves and we are just supposed to accept it. If we do not, then we are called "bigoted" or "intolerant". They certainly can't accept us, though, which makes them hypocrites to their own cause. It is the "You have to accept me but I don't have to accept you" belief that is so common nowadays it is scary. Some Christians are even guilty of this. No one has accept anyone. The only thing that is not allowed is harassment of the one you do not accept. You can't force people to like you. It is not against the law to dislike someone.

And lastly, God does not reject anyone- it is the person who rejects God. If that same person were to follow God, he/she would be saved. The way I see it is that there is no hell except for the cutting off from God, which the person does, not God.
 

Aasimar

Atheist
I'd have to say that though there is an inordinate amount of hatred in the bible, I don't think hatred is the basis of the bible. It seems more based on control. People like to feel like they are part of a group (Atheists included.) It's human nature to separate ourselves into "Us" and "Them." For example, it's much easier to instigate hatred of the Godless atheist communists rather then sympathize with their plight when you're trying to convince your people to go to war with them.

We live in a strange society nowadays. Some people think that they should be able to do whatever they want to do, hurt anyone they want, hurt themselves and we are just supposed to accept it. If we do not, then we are called "bigoted" or "intolerant". They certainly can't accept us, though, which makes them hypocrites to their own cause. It is the "You have to accept me but I don't have to accept you" belief that is so common nowadays it is scary. Some Christians are even guilty of this. No one has accept anyone. The only thing that is not allowed is harassment of the one you do not accept. You can't force people to like you. It is not against the law to dislike someone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjS-YB-jmKQ

You may want to watch this. It's at least worth a laugh
 

worshiper

Picker of Nose
Highly amusing.
And just curious, but is there anyone these days that literally worships a graven image? I'm sure there must be some out there, but I'm not positive.

Definitions of graven on the Web:
[SIZE=-1]cut into a desired shape; "graven images"; "sculptured representations"
engraved: cut or impressed into a surface; "an incised design"; "engraved invitations"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Graven is, simply put, something fashioned by man, or something man-made. Anything made by man's hands to a material state is graven.To 'engrave' something is to carve into it, and carving is done by the hands of man. Graven can also be an implication to something that is made, that is not alive, but made dead, from the grave.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graven[/SIZE]
i think its all around the temple and churches of most religion. from my understanding it is someting made to personify god. e.g, image of christ being crucified. of cors for someone who understands, its not the engraved image of christ that is worshipped. but for a layman, it sure looks like it.
 
The Bible doesn’t declare that He is the only True God but the first God. No other gods existed before Him but that doesn’t mean any other entities existing afterwards are not gods too.


Jealousy is not an aspect best suited to a Supreme Being either.


1)

Isa 43:10Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Isa 45:22Let your hearts be turned to me, so that you may have salvation, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is no other.



2) It matters not what we think is "best" suited for a Supreme Being. We ourselves are not supreme, we are not supirior, we are not sinless. We have no business trying to act as though we're holy enough to judge as to what is "best" suited for God to be, or act like.

God is supreme, if he wants to be jealous he can be jealous. However God doesn't get jealous like we do. He gets jealous because of idoltery, the worship of gods that are in no way actually gods. God is the ONLY TRUE God.
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
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