"Teen Sent To Principal's Office For Not Wearing A Bra"

[HonestJoe]

In the video the principal's office is turned into a prison complete with steel bars. The implication is that clothes are prisons from which the students should be freed.

There are two videos relating to two separate incidents. The first is a relatively reasonable (if a little presumptive) discussion about an incident alleged to relate to not wearing a bra. That incident is the focus of this discussion.

The second was a much lower quality pseudo-news piece about a different case at a different school (with different rules), using a made up (and clearly massively exaggerated) cartoon depiction of events. I quite deliberately ignored the second video.

 

[YmirGF]

I'll agree to the rule on making bra's mandatory if males are also ordered to wear jockstraps to keep things in order. Why is one allowed to swing in the wind while the other is not?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

As long as they don't wear bras outside of school, I don't care one way or the other.

 

[Skwim]

It’s the more honest and realistic response to the actual issue. The OP piece actually quotes the school saying their rules don’t specifically refer to bras and there’s no further details about exactly what basis the girl’s clothing was deemed inappropriate.

The real question here is whether schools should have dress codes and if so, how they can be best structured to be effective, fair, reasonable and practical. There’s also the all too common (but oft-ignored) questions here about how private disputes like this are brought to the public attention and reported by the media.

If that's what you want as the question feel free to start your own thread on the subject, but for the purposes here it is not the issue.


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[Skwim]

IMO Americans have a really puritanical sex culture.

Edit: by this I mean, Americans seem really prudish. Overly so.

That they are. A carryover from America's puritanical attitude toward sex and the body. For reasons beyond reason a lot of Americans, primarily fundie Christians, are real squeamish about the two. I've met people who won't even say the word "penis" or "vagina."


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[Revoltingest]

I've met people who won't even say the word "penis"....
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But try to discuss gun control, & the word abounds.

 

[metis]

I knew a woman who served as a secretary to an assistant principle at a high school near where I live, and she told me of an incident like the OP whereas a student was sent to the office because she didn't have a bra on, then sent home. Shortly thereafter, her mother showed up and asked the assistant principle whether he was wearing jockey shorts, boxer shorts, or none at all. He responded that this was none of her business, and her response was that it was not any of his business what her daughter wore or didn't wear under her shirt.

She won.

 

[Skwim]

But try to discuss gun control, & the word abounds.

As well it should.


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[Skwim]

I knew a woman who served as a secretary to an assistant principle at a high school near where I live, and she told me of an incident like the OP whereas a student was sent to the office because she didn't have a bra on, then sent home. Shortly thereafter, her mother showed up and asked the assistant principle whether he was wearing jockey shorts, boxer shorts, or none at all. He responded that this was none of her business, and her response was that it was not any of his business what her daughter wore or didn't wear under her shirt.

She won.

Makes one's heart warm to see reason triumph over prudery. Thank you for sharing.


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[metis]

Makes one's heart warm to see reason triumph over prudery. Thank you for sharing.


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Thanks, and let me just add that the secretary was on the side of the mother & daughter.

Also, when my wife & I were in our 20's and 30's, she didn't wear a bra most of the time even in public, and even in her 60's today she doesn't wear one in our house.

 

[Smart_Guy]

If it is part of the school's rules, I don't see a problem. If it is not, and was done based on sexism/racism/bigotry/etc., then it is bad.

 

[McBell]

Hi Folks..

YES - schools should force such a dress code....From the male perspective - can you remember what it is like to be 15..??.. Raging hormones and sex drive in top gear ALWAYS constantly....Having girls revealing nipples in that manner is not a good idea at all if the aim is to be a focused student there to learn...lol....

And from the girls perspective - surely she must KNOW the outcomes..?...MUST notice that guys NOTICE HER..?..And if she does realise this - WHY is she choosing to do it..?..Clearly she seeks the attention FROM the guys I believe - at least it was always that way when I was at school....Nipples ARE sexual to the male mind and there is no escaping that fact of life - and ladies you just cant get away from it...Put them on display by going braless IS A sexual invitation as you ARE displaying yourself to those guys AS a sexual creature - and if you KNOW that is what you are doing - then what can I say..??..

Sometimes - guidance is necassary - a dress code in such a situation is a definate requirement to my mind....But thta second example - lol - man they took political correctness way way too far...collar bones - not sexual - nipples - very sexual

Next you will be posting: "it was the woman's fault she got raped, just look at her clothes!"

 

[SomeRandom]

I knew a woman who served as a secretary to an assistant principle at a high school near where I live, and she told me of an incident like the OP whereas a student was sent to the office because she didn't have a bra on, then sent home. Shortly thereafter, her mother showed up and asked the assistant principle whether he was wearing jockey shorts, boxer shorts, or none at all. He responded that this was none of her business, and her response was that it was not any of his business what her daughter wore or didn't wear under her shirt.

She won.

Hahahaha! That lady is such a legend!

I remember once on a free dress day in primary school, some girl dressed up as Spiderman and some jerk teacher, not even a regular teacher, he was our sub for the day berated her because that was a "boys" thing. Mind you this girl was special needs and even the other kids were disgusted by this display. So all the guys in his class went over to like the grade one area of the school and put glitter on their faces in a show of solidarity. It was really sweet. Incidentally never saw that sub again. In hindsight, surprised it didn't really go beyond that as a thing.

 

[SomeRandom]

Hi Folks..

YES - schools should force such a dress code....From the male perspective - can you remember what it is like to be 15..??.. Raging hormones and sex drive in top gear ALWAYS constantly....Having girls revealing nipples in that manner is not a good idea at all if the aim is to be a focused student there to learn...lol....

And from the girls perspective - surely she must KNOW the outcomes..?...MUST notice that guys NOTICE HER..?..And if she does realise this - WHY is she choosing to do it..?..Clearly she seeks the attention FROM the guys I believe - at least it was always that way when I was at school....Nipples ARE sexual to the male mind and there is no escaping that fact of life - and ladies you just cant get away from it...Put them on display by going braless IS A sexual invitation as you ARE displaying yourself to those guys AS a sexual creature - and if you KNOW that is what you are doing - then what can I say..??..

Sometimes - guidance is necassary - a dress code in such a situation is a definate requirement to my mind....But thta second example - lol - man they took political correctness way way too far...collar bones - not sexual - nipples - very sexual

Or, and hear me out, or the lady in question just finds bras uncomfortable. And any lady will tell you the annoyance of such a garment.
Like please, I come from a place that has honest to god Uniforms in all schools and I still found the entire thing ridiculous.

 

[Valjean]

Hi Folks..

YES - schools should force such a dress code....From the male perspective - can you remember what it is like to be 15..??.. Raging hormones and sex drive in top gear ALWAYS constantly....Having girls revealing nipples in that manner is not a good idea at all if the aim is to be a focused student there to learn...lol....

And from the girls perspective - surely she must KNOW the outcomes..?...MUST notice that guys NOTICE HER..?..And if she does realise this - WHY is she choosing to do it..?..Clearly she seeks the attention FROM the guys I believe - at least it was always that way when I was at school....Nipples ARE sexual to the male mind and there is no escaping that fact of life - and ladies you just cant get away from it...Put them on display by going braless IS A sexual invitation as you ARE displaying yourself to those guys AS a sexual creature - and if you KNOW that is what you are doing - then what can I say..??..

Sometimes - guidance is necassary - a dress code in such a situation is a definate requirement to my mind....But thta second example - lol - man they took political correctness way way too far...collar bones - not sexual - nipples - very sexual

As Sunstone pointed out, what's sexual is culturally determined, not a "fact of life."
A century ago, a knee-length skirt or short sleeves might have been shocking. Today no-one raises an eyebrow -- because women pushed the envelope. The key to changing erotic to mundane is exposure.
I remember, in the '70s, bralessness was common. Are we becoming more prudish?
We criticize societies where women are required to wear burqas or cover themselves completely, and the defenders cite the same arguments about raging hormones or provocative distraction should an ankle be exposed.

Weather collar bones or nipples -- or faces -- are sexual is a question of history and geography.

 

[Revoltingest]

If it is part of the school's rules, I don't see a problem. If it is not, and was done based on sexism/racism/bigotry/etc., then it is bad.

It's inherently "sexist".
But not inherently wrong.

 

[Revoltingest]

Next you will be posting: "it was the woman's fault she got raped, just look at her clothes!"

Really?
Why do we require students to wear any clothing at all....should it be optional?

 

[Smart_Guy]

It's inherently "sexist".
But not inherently wrong.

Does that mean sexism could be not wrong?

 

[Revoltingest]

Does that mean sexism could be not wrong?

"Sexism" has connotations of injustice.
But I say it's OK where it serves a useful purpose, eg, segregating some sports, particularly for children.

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

Mestemia; Do try to keep it real - if you can....Indeed, HOW do you even cope out in the real world..?...Its a mystery given some of the conclusions you often jump to here...lol...

Nobody is saying she is asking to be raped - foolish statement aimed at ridicule and nothing more...Just shows you only use this surface mind for guidance with its built in knee jerk reaction...as I say - foolish...So, as said keep it real...

Go LOOK at her picture - and understand she is "hot" for lack of a better term, would you agree..??....Would ALLl you guys agree..??....

And see then there is no way in a high school enviroment that she does NOT know this about herself is there..?...Boys will be constantly telling her and hitting on her and she will be well and truly USED to the attention.....Probably even seeks it out and craves it probably gets all kinds of social kudos becauseo fit - yes..??....She WILL know full well without question what her dress code is provoking in the guys around and that will be her aim and intent TO provoke that response when she CHOOSES to do that....Keep it REAL Folks - no way does she NOT realise she is good looking and no way does she NOT realise the affect she may have....

Indeed - seems to me - intuitively - she did it on purpose and specifically FOR the teacher and FOR the reaction - as clearly this was not a one off issue but a "repeat offence", for after all if it was FIRST time then the teacher would have confronted HER directly yes..?....Let it sink in...Student does something you dont agree with in YOUR class, you tell them DIRECTLY to stop - its YOUR responsibility as head of that class......

But look, he went to HIS superior and had THEM intervene - tells us - if we are smart and honest - that yes indeed this IS a repeat episode and the girl has probably been told many times previously, politely and quietly in all probability, but has chosen to refuse the advise and sought out the attention once again..

I remind you all - she is quite hot yes..?..She is indeed a SEXUAL CREATURE and look she is indeed FULLY AWARE of her status AS that....UNDENIABLE if we are honest and forget all that pc nonesense