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Teenage Boy: I Had Transgender Surgery to Become a Woman at Age 19. Four Years Later I'm Back Being a Man.

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Evidently if you are bullied and your mom thinks your body is disgusting... You qualify.

"Black, 23, says he began his first transition six years ago due to bullying at school. He adds that his mother, a Jehovah’s Witness, implied his male body was disgusting"
That is something that should've been addressed
in pre-transitioning counselling. Would'a saved
the kid much grief.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
That is something that should've been addressed
in pre-transitioning counselling. Would'a saved
the kid much grief.
Agreed. Thats why I said in post #3...

"Evidently this person wasn't a transgender, he was trying to escape a few things. Perhaps counseling would have been better than transistioning"
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
There is no "trend". Wider acceptance isn't a fad or 'trend".

Obvious anti-trans conspiracy theory gobbledygook.

We've seen a 2,000% rise in people identifying as trans in the last decade. So if that's not a trend, when - in your opinion - would it become a trend?
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
It's almost as if there's this universal human need to be understood, respected, and listened to. And when this doesn't happen, it can create various types of dysfunction, especially if it comes from those we look up to or are dependent on (like a parent).
 

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
We've seen a 2,000% rise in people identifying as trans in the last decade. So if that's not a trend, when - in your opinion - would it become a trend?
Trend also implies a negative, as if it were a mere fashion statement or fad dance craze. And I sensed that from the article in the OP. I simply replaced that with it being more widely accepted. In the raw sense, it could be considered a trend just not "trendy", hip or cool.

The article in the OP is bull anyways.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
We've seen a 2,000% rise in people identifying as trans in the last decade. So if that's not a trend, when - in your opinion - would it become a trend?
The trend would be in identification, rather than
actually being trans-gender. It has become more
accepted & accessible, which could account for
the rise in such people identifying as such.
But I can also see the rise in false positives when
kids have such issues as the Czech one in the OP.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
That's what all medical and psychological research says is currently required. So I'd they didn't, they made a mistake and so did their doctors.
@The Sum of Awe

Many trans counseling companies are springing up recently. One of their selling points is the speed with which a patient can zip thru counseling and start getting drugs.

Folx and Plume are two such companies that are fast-tracking therapy.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Trend also implies a negative, as if it were a mere fashion statement or fad dance craze. And I sensed that from the article in the OP. I simply replaced that with it being more widely accepted. In the raw sense, it could be considered a trend just not "trendy", hip or cool.

The article in the OP is bull anyways.

I'm making a factual claim independent of the article. :)
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
@The Sum of Awe

Many trans counseling companies are springing up recently. One of their selling points is the speed with which a patient can zip thru counseling and start getting drugs.

Folx and Plume are two such companies that are fast-tracking therapy.
To be fair, that is merely what happens when you apply the capitalist mindset to something. In this case medicine.

There is a sensed need in the market, if you like of clients wanting to speed through a process that is supposed to take ages, add into the mix all the laws trying to ban the procedure/s, and you get increased anxiety and anxious youths by default. Inevitably you end up with companies rising to fulfill that need. And since these companies usually want profit, it’s not surprising that they choose money over actual medical application. By offering a supposed solution. Speed.

The medical community has always stressed the need for thorough in depth therapy as part of gender affirming care
But people inevitably want shortcuts, especially in the modern era with everything being on offer immediately at any given time.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
To be fair, that is merely what happens when you apply the capitalist mindset to something. In this case medicine.

There is a sensed need in the market, if you like of clients wanting to speed through a process that is supposed to take ages, add into the mix all the laws trying to ban the procedure/s, and you get increased anxiety and anxious youths by default. Inevitably you end up with companies rising to fulfill that need. And since these companies usually want profit, it’s not surprising that they choose money over actual medical application. By offering a supposed solution. Speed.

The medical community has always stressed the need for thorough in depth therapy as part of gender affirming care
But people inevitably want shortcuts, especially in the modern era with everything being on offer immediately at any given time.

Wouldn't you say that offering such counseling ought to be well regulated?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
To be fair, that is merely what happens when you apply the capitalist mindset to something. In this case medicine.
When government fails to deliver,
at least business can step up.
There is a sensed need in the market, if you like of clients wanting to speed through a process that is supposed to take ages, add into the mix all the laws trying to ban the procedure/s, and you get increased anxiety and anxious youths by default. Inevitably you end up with companies rising to fulfill that need. And since these companies usually want profit, it’s not surprising that they choose money over actual medical application. By offering a supposed solution. Speed.

The medical community has always stressed the need for thorough in depth therapy as part of gender affirming care
But people inevitably want shortcuts, especially in the modern era with everything being on offer immediately at any given time.
The poster claims that the process is speedy,
I assume to imply that it's irresponsibly so.
Is this supported?
If so, government is failing to usefully regulate it.
I wouldn't criticize capitalism for government's
failure to act.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
@The Sum of Awe

Many trans counseling companies are springing up recently. One of their selling points is the speed with which a patient can zip thru counseling and start getting drugs.

Folx and Plume are two such companies that are fast-tracking therapy.

"The number of gender clinics treating children in the United States has grown from zero to more than 100 in the past 15 years"

 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member

We Never Know

No Slack
To be fair, that is merely what happens when you apply the capitalist mindset to something. In this case medicine.

There is a sensed need in the market, if you like of clients wanting to speed through a process that is supposed to take ages, add into the mix all the laws trying to ban the procedure/s, and you get increased anxiety and anxious youths by default. Inevitably you end up with companies rising to fulfill that need. And since these companies usually want profit, it’s not surprising that they choose money over actual medical application. By offering a supposed solution. Speed.

The medical community has always stressed the need for thorough in depth therapy as part of gender affirming care
But people inevitably want shortcuts, especially in the modern era with everything being on offer immediately at any given time.

Several countries disagree with how America is handling it all.

Gender dysphoria is rising—and so is professional disagreement​


 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Stepping back for a minute..

The "trans issue" is a hot topic recently. I see a lot of posters on RF whose arguments boil down to "well I'M not aware, therefore, no problem".

IMO, you have a fine reputation on RF, so I don't feel your question is in bad faith. But it does seem to be adjacent to a "lmgtfy" sort of question ;)

Transgender Population Size in the United States: a Meta-Regression of Population-Based Probability Samples
You don't suppose it correlates with an increase of social acceptance? In the past more stayed closeted due to rejection and reprisal.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Stepping back for a minute..

The "trans issue" is a hot topic recently. I see a lot of posters on RF whose arguments boil down to "well I'M not aware, therefore, no problem".

IMO, you have a fine reputation on RF, so I don't feel your question is in bad faith. But it does seem to be adjacent to a "lmgtfy" sort of question ;)

Transgender Population Size in the United States: a Meta-Regression of Population-Based Probability Samples
A source for 2,000% would be useful
to understand the assumptions &
results.
 
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