Teenage knife fights a time honored tradition?

[Twilight Hue]

I think they're banned everywhere, but how do you ban 'steak knives?

They still are banned to this day, however hunters can carry switchblades for cleaning kills but it's only legal with a hunting license.

Steak knives? Thats as puzzling as plastic knives. I can see it now....

Chef uses assault steak knife to stab porterhouse and ribeye.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

They still are banned to this day, however hunters can carry switchblades for cleaning kills but it's only legal with a hunting license.

Steak knives? Thats as puzzling as plastic knives. I can see it now....

Chef uses assault steak knife to stab porterhouse and ribeye.

In Ohio, it's only illegal to carry one around in public and get caught with it. Somehow I doubt these laws are really enforced, though. I never hear people getting arrested for switchblade possession. Those laws are silly holdovers from 60 years ago.

 

[Augustus]

While this is true, there is an abundance of evidence that police use a disproportionate amount of force against black and poor people compared to white and rich people. Nobody is holding a completely black and white thinking. The expression of it is cynical sarcasm as a rethorical tool not a literal statement of fact (at least in such an overwhelmingly large amount of case that it should be considered a norm to ease communication). Not recognising this is trying to strawman someone.

Obviously it is not a literal statement of fact, but the idea that it generally a rationally derived and nuanced rhetorical tool is equally false.

And the extent to which any disparities in police killing statistics are racially motivated is very difficult if not impossible to actually work out.

We don't assume that the fact 95% of victims are male is due primarily to misandry, but understand it has to do with behavioural patterns, situational factors and perceived threat based on experience. That is the consequence of the way the human mind works, we are flawed pattern recognising machines.

Do you know, for example, if black officers shoot black people at significant lower rates than white officers?

As for how the media would have reacted had the police officer failed, it's probable it would have been met with cries of outrage.

That's what you get when you create a society where individual social media videos and political hot takes on them are key factors in creating the political 'reality' in a country of 350 million people.

 

[Revoltingest]

if the knife wielder was white they would have found a way not to kill her

It's always hard to argue with hypothetical evidence
(which is always invented ad hoc when there's no
real argument or evidence to be had).

 

[epronovost]

Do you know, for example, if black officers shoot black people at significant lower rates than white officers?

Take that with a grain of salt, but I have read there is no significant difference between black police officers and white police officers when it comes to the use of violence against suspects though there is a difference when it comes to gender.

 

[Revoltingest]

This was unfortunately a no win situation for the police officer. He would be decried as being racist if he let the attacker kill the other girl and as we know he has been called racist for saving the black girls life.

There does need to be some police reform but this was not an example of it.

It does stress the importance of continually searching for
non-lethal means to address such circumstances.
Alas, I see no solution yet.
I've posted before that this is a no-win scenario for the cops.
Shoot the assailant with the knife, or let the victim be stabbed.
The girl with the knife imposed this upon them, ie, they'll be
attacked as racists no matter how they respond.

 

[Revoltingest]

Don't forget the guy with a sword much less and knife. He may be on one of the top bad *** , bad guys of all time and nope. They did not kill him.

There appeared to be no need to shoot him.
He kept his distance, thereby posing no immediate threat to anyone.

 

[Augustus]

Take that with a grain of salt, but I have read there is no significant difference between black police officers and white police officers when it comes to the use of violence against suspects though there is a difference when it comes to gender.

This is the problem of ascribing differences to 'racism' if a white cop is involved.

Just as there are with the male/female discrepancy, there are reasons why we would expect a black/white discrepancy or even a white/Asian discrepancy even assuming zero racism existed.

(not that I am arguing that racism is never an issue)

 

[epronovost]

This is the problem of ascribing differences to 'racism' if a white cop is involved.

Just as there are with the male/female discrepancy, there are reasons why we would expect a black/white discrepancy or even a white/Asian discrepancy even assuming zero racism existed.

(not that I am arguing that racism is never an issue)

Quantifying racism, like quantifying any motive is almost impossible. That racial disparities exist is undeniable; that racism and other prejudices plays a role in those disparities is also undeniable, but it's just as unlikely to say that it's the sole cause.

 

[Lyndon]

Last I heard 1 in 1000 black men will be killed by a cop, is that possible?

 

[epronovost]

Last I heard 1 in 1000 black men will be killed by a cop, is that possible?

It's about right. The chance to go to jail or prison is one in 5 apparently. For being shot by someone, no specific, it's about one in 250.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's about right. The chance to go to jail or prison is one in 5 apparently. For being shot by someone, no specific, it's about one in 250.

Ref....
Population by race in the U.S. 2019 | Statista
44,080,000 blacks in Ameristan
Assume half are men.
Divide by 1,000
220,400 black men killed by cops would be the claim.

Ref....
People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2021 | Statista
Pick 2020 (most recent full year) for consideration.
241 blacks (men & women) shot & killed by cops

At that rate, it would take about 10 centuries to meet the claim.

 

[Orbit]

Something else to think about:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EziwjGkVEAETSlV?format=jpg&name=large

 

[epronovost]

Ref....
Population by race in the U.S. 2019 | Statista
44,080,000 blacks in Ameristan
Assume half are men.
Divide by 1,000
220,400 black men killed by cops would be the claim.

Ref....
People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2021 | Statista
Pick 2020 (most recent full year) for consideration.
241 blacks (men & women) shot & killed by cops

At that rate, it would take about 10 centuries to meet the claim.

That's not how you calculate a probability of a lifetime event.

Risk of being killed by police use of force in the United States by age, race–ethnicity, and sex

You can consult the methodology section of this scientific publication to get the proper methodology and relevent data. Of course this is 1/1000 occurence isn't a hard number, but an estimate.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's not how you calculate a probability of a lifetime event.

I didn't calculate that.
I addressed a specific claim.
Do you believe that a black guy has a 1 in 1000
chance of being shot dead by a cop? If so, let's
see your calculations.

 

[epronovost]

I didn't calculate that.
I addressed a specific claim.
Do you believe that a black guy has a 1 in 1000
chance of being shot dead by a cop? If so, let's
see your calculations.

I just posted the scientific research from which the claim come from in my post above. Feel free to consult it.

 

[Revoltingest]

I just posted the scientific research from which the claim come from in my post above. Feel free to consult it.

I could read the link.
Or, since you disagree with what I posted,
you could explain why.

 

[epronovost]

I could read the link.
Or, since you disagree with what I posted,
you could explain why.

Well I disagree with what you posted in light of the link I have provided you which shows the proper methodology to calculate the probability of a lifetime event occuring in a limited population. Did you read the section about the methodology and the table of calculations?

 

[Revoltingest]

Well I disagree with what you posted in light of the link I have provided you which shows the proper methodology to calculate the probability of a lifetime event occuring in a limited population. Did you read the section about the methodology and the table of calculations?

I'm active on 2 forums at the moment, while holding
conversations at home. The time to read a link will
be later. I see no error in what I posted....which is a
seat-of-the-pants rough check on the claim.

 

[epronovost]

seat-of-the-pants rough check on the claim.

For a big tl;dr version, you forgot to discount children and teen from your count as well as adults passed the age of 34. You also forgot to take into account the number number of years passed in the ''danger zone'' compound... amongst other things.