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Teenagers Set Dog on Fire

Buttons*

Glass half Panda'd
what the main problem with this is is that setting dogs and cats on fire is the first signs of a sociopath/sycopath, and they do harm people
Sure, that's one problem, but that's not the only one.

3.14 said:
the side issues are that dogs trigger the pet emotion (noone want's a pet to get hurt)

though i gota say 26000 just to get couple 17 year olds is alot of wasted money, especialy if you compair it to how many stray dogs and cats the peta kills every year
PETA probably doesn't kill animals. You may be thinking of the SPCA who actually tries to find homes for homeless animals, but can't support them all - so they have to kill some to make room for the hundreds of animals that come in there all the time. It's not easy to do, and they don't set the animals on fire. That's very different than burning a creature alive.


3.14 said:
ps
(same as whereismynotecard i also used to torture bugs a bit, i was always facinated by fly's who spasm after you hit them with i electric lyswatter)
I think you're sickening.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
though i gota say 26000 just to get couple 17 year olds is alot of wasted money, especialy if you compair it to how many stray dogs and cats the peta kills every year

There is a large and obvious difference between mercifully and humanely euthanizing an animal, and cruelly torturing one to death.
 

cardero

Citizen Mod
When I saw the title, I thought there was going to be a video link like that thread where they threw the puppy off the cliff. Does anyone remember that thread?
 

Phasmid

Mr Invisible
When I was a child I used to torture insects... pull off their wings/legs/ etc. as a lot of children do. It wasn't until later on in my life that I began to think, "Wait... how would this make me feel?" and of course I felt guilt and stopped harming insects for fun (I still feel bad that I have to feed my gecko live crickets, which I have to shake up in a bag of calcium powder).

In other words, it was my ignorance that allowed me to harm insects. In the same way, I think these kids are just ignorant about the feelings of animals. It's easy to dehumanize people you see as different, or animals you may see as inferior, because humans have an extreme capacity for ignorance, which in terms creates less empathy.

I think these kids are just caught up in an igorant thought pattern... perhaps they think dogs are lesser creatures and so they don't make the connection that they're much like us in that they feel physical pain and emotional pain... these kids, in my opinion, are just unaware of what they're really doing.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not excusing their actions, and I doubt I'd be so calm about it if it were my own dog they harmed. But I don't think these kids deserve torture for what they've done. They just need to wake up.
 

BucephalusBB

ABACABB
When I was a child I used to torture insects... pull off their wings/legs/ etc. as a lot of children do. It wasn't until later on in my life that I began to think, "Wait... how would this make me feel?" and of course I felt guilt and stopped harming insects for fun (I still feel bad that I have to feed my gecko live crickets, which I have to shake up in a bag of calcium powder).

In other words, it was my ignorance that allowed me to harm insects. In the same way, I think these kids are just ignorant about the feelings of animals. It's easy to dehumanize people you see as different, or animals you may see as inferior, because humans have an extreme capacity for ignorance, which in terms creates less empathy.

I think these kids are just caught up in an igorant thought pattern... perhaps they think dogs are lesser creatures and so they don't make the connection that they're much like us in that they feel physical pain and emotional pain... these kids, in my opinion, are just unaware of what they're really doing.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not excusing their actions, and I doubt I'd be so calm about it if it were my own dog they harmed. But I don't think these kids deserve torture for what they've done. They just need to wake up.
These "kids" were 17 years old. :sarcastic
 

3.14

Well-Known Member
Sure, that's one problem, but that's not the only one.

PETA probably doesn't kill animals. You may be thinking of the SPCA who actually tries to find homes for homeless animals, but can't support them all - so they have to kill some to make room for the hundreds of animals that come in there all the time. It's not easy to do, and they don't set the animals on fire. That's very different than burning a creature alive.



I think you're sickening.

PETA Kills Animals | PetaKillsAnimals.com

now think of all the animals that could have been left alive with that money


o well to each your own opinion , but next time remember i didn't ask for your oppinion
 

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
This is just horrible.

I'm not a fan of the eye for an eye sentiment going on here, but emotionally, I know where ya'll are coming from.

I hope they have to spend some time in jail. I know a lot of times animal cruelty just gets a slap on the wrist.

Phasmid~ though I could see how people can view animals as lesser beings, I hardly can believe that two 17 year olds were so ignorant that they didn't know setting a dog on fire would cause it immense pain and suffering.
 

Phasmid

Mr Invisible
Phasmid~ though I could see how people can view animals as lesser beings, I hardly can believe that two 17 year olds were so ignorant that they didn't know setting a dog on fire would cause it immense pain and suffering.

I'm trying to articulate something very difficult to describe... it's not that they weren't aware the dog would feel pain. My argument is that they weren't mindful of what they were doing. Have you ever done something and genuinely thought afterwards, "What was I thinking?" It's almost like having blinders on, which only let you see one thing - in this case, probably the youth's twisted sense of humour, but I don't think they fully comprehended what they were doing. I'm sure if they reflected fully on what they'd done, they would realise and feel guilt.

It reminds me of the case of a young man who was murdered with an ice pick, to my shame I do not recall his name. He was attacked by two other youths who were later aprehended. The mother of the deceased was a strong (and she must have been) Christian and publicly forgave the murderers of her son.

So moved by this one (or maybe both, my memory is fuzzy) wrote to the woman an appologised, expressing his guilt. He was ignorant of the whole picture until he was forgiven and showed some compassion.

I believe the same is true for all people. We only see a small picture and act accordingly.
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
A lot of people used to torture insects as kids. There is a difference between insects and bigger animals like rodents, dogs and cats. The big difference is that we can identify with the non-insects. They are a lot more like us and we can see their emotions. We can empathize with them. We are a lot more detached from insects because of how different they are from us.

For instance, Buttons, do you have any problem smushing a mosquito or ant that's on your arm? Now, do you have a problem with smushing a mouse that jumps in your lap?

I'm not saying killing or torturing bugs is perfectly acceptable. The killing can be in some cases, but the torturing is indeed wrong. However, I don't think a kid torturing insects is a sign of anything wrong with him, whereas a kid doing something like this definitely is. As others have said, if you can do this to a dog, you can do it to a human. The same connection can't be said about insects.
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
Also, in case you didn't read the article, the dog did not die while on fire. A police officer put her out and got her to an emergency clinic where she was treated. Unfortunately, the damage was too severe, and she ended up having to be euthanized due to complications. She was wagging her tail even in the emergency clinic, though.
 

whereismynotecard

Treasure Hunter
First of all, I think that behavior towards another living thing - in any form, is absolutely horrendous. You should be ashamed. Now, if something was attacking you, I understand that it's you or the thing. But in this context, going outside, where the bugs are minding their own business, and covering them with wax, is pretty sadistic. I think it's wrong.

I'm sorry, but I don't feel ashamed. I don't like Japanese Beetles or ants or cicadas. I did feel bad after drowning a spider once though... which is weird, because I don't like spiders either.
 

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
I'm sorry, but I don't feel ashamed. I don't like Japanese Beetles or ants or cicadas. I did feel bad after drowning a spider once though... which is weird, because I don't like spiders either.
Do insects have pain receptors? I think that would make a difference for me.

I do remember lighting ants on fire, but I was always mortified that you had to cut earthworms in half when you go fishing (to make your bait last longer ;)) and when my mom would leave ladybugs to drown in the toilet. I mean, at least flush it for goodness sakes! Do you have to let them futilely try to swim out of certain death?

I'm also rather protective of spiders...
 

3.14

Well-Known Member
though this was fitting :D

The Milgram Experiment (1961) The Setup:
When the prosecution of the Nazis got underway at the Nuremberg Trials, many of the defendants' excuse seemed to revolve around the ideas of, "I'm not really a prick" and, "Hey man, I was just following orders." Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram wanted to test willingness of subjects to obey an authority figure using an experiment where the subject was told he was a "teacher" and that his job was to give a memory test to another subject, located in another room. The whole thing was fake and the other subject was an actor.
The subject was told that whenever the other guy gave an incorrect answer, he was to press a button that would give him an electric shock. A guy in a lab coat was there to make sure he did it (again no real shock was being delivered, but the subject of course did not know this).
The subject was told that the shocks started at 45 volts and would increase with every wrong answer. Each time they pushed the button, the actor on the other end would scream and beg for the subject to stop.
So, can you guess how this went?
The Result:
Many subjects began to feel uncomfortable after a certain point, and questioned continuing the experiment. However, each time the guy in the lab coat encouraged them to continue. Most of them did, upping the voltage, delivering shock after shock while the victim screamed. Many subjects would laugh nervously, because laughter is the best medicine when pumping electrical currents through another person's body.
Eventually the actor would start banging on the wall that separated him from the subject, pleading about his heart condition. After further shocks, all sounds from victim's room would cease, indicating he was dead or unconscious. If you had to guess, what percentage of the subjects kept delivering shocks after that point?
Five percent? Ten?
Shockingly (pun intended), two thirds of the subjects (between 61 and 66 percent) continued the experiment until it reached the maximum voltage of 450, continuing to deliver shocks after the victim had been zapped into unconsciousness or the afterlife. Repeated studies have shown the same result: Subjects will mindlessly deliver pain to an innocent stranger as long as a dude in a lab coat says it's OK.
Most subjects wouldn't even begin to object until after 300-volt shocks. Zero of them asked to stop the experiment before that point (keep in mind 100 volts is enough to kill a man, in some cases).


Charles Sheridan and Richard King took this experiment one step further, but asked subjects to shock a helpless puppy for every incorrect action it made. Unlike Milgram's experiment, this shock was real. Exactly 20 out of 26 subjects went to the highest voltage.
Almost 80 percent. Think about that when you're walking around the mall: Eight out of ten of those people you see would torture the **** out of a puppy if a dude in a lab coat asked them to. If you would guess that women—commonly believed to be more nurturing than men—were more compassionate in this study, then you would guess wrong. The six students who refused to go on were all men. All thirteen women who participated in the experiment shocked the hell out of the sweet, adorable puppy right up until the end.
 

Buttons*

Glass half Panda'd
A lot of people used to torture insects as kids. There is a difference between insects and bigger animals like rodents, dogs and cats. The big difference is that we can identify with the non-insects. They are a lot more like us and we can see their emotions. We can empathize with them. We are a lot more detached from insects because of how different they are from us.

For instance, Buttons, do you have any problem smushing a mosquito or ant that's on your arm? Now, do you have a problem with smushing a mouse that jumps in your lap?

I'm not saying killing or torturing bugs is perfectly acceptable. The killing can be in some cases, but the torturing is indeed wrong. However, I don't think a kid torturing insects is a sign of anything wrong with him, whereas a kid doing something like this definitely is. As others have said, if you can do this to a dog, you can do it to a human. The same connection can't be said about insects.

Yes I do. I think that hurting living things is wrong. If I do mess up and slap a mosquito in self defense, I usually pray for it afterwards. Torture is torture. I'm sorry.

I realize that the "real" fear here is what they could do to people, and yes that's a concern, but as long as we feel it's OK to torture other living creatures whatsoever without a thought of their lives, that is the breeding ground for the mess these kids are in. It begins with a messed up mentality. It could have very well started with mice, bugs, and cats. We don't know how many things these boys have set on fire.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Yes I do. I think that hurting living things is wrong. If I do mess up and slap a mosquito in self defense, I usually pray for it afterwards. Torture is torture. I'm sorry.

You can't really compare the brain and nervous system of insects to that of mammals. A fly doesn't have the same level of emotion and awareness that a dog has.
 
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