Tell me why God doesn't exist, and I'll tell you why your'e wrong.

[Pozessed]

Why? It's a Christian attitude. It's related to the idea that, since the world is impermanent, it is also imperfection to try to grasp it.

The world isn't permanent but supposedly the universe is.
If former knowledge of life is passes down from generation to generation by "genes" that means the answers have always been there.

 

[Pozessed]

Since you're getting pretty agressive already and, IMO, on your way to hostile, I don't think things bode well in that department.

Back to your original challenge, for me it's not so much that I argue for the non-existence of God as much as I argue other things:

- the god-beliefs we see around us are better explained by psychological and socio-cultural effects than they are by interaction between humanity and a god or gods.

- I have yet to find a good reason to conclude that a god or gods exist... or even that they're likely to exist.

- I think that as a general rule, it's not a good idea to accept claims without having good reason to accept them.

I do not mean to come off as aggressive, only assertive.

- I agree with this and I would like to conclude that thought by saying "at least we agree that there is more scientific areas that need explored."

-have you really been searching for proof or disproof of his existence? Proof is what you perceive it.

-Love and fear are the emotions that drive all of our thoughts. Is it or is it not better to live in love than fear?

 

[Pozessed]

How do you know that what you think is your god isn't just magic pixies messing with you?

This game you're playing works both ways.

I believe God is the conscious energy that gives us the ability to think and live.
The magnetic field is an energy we don't understand and is tied to our emotions. If the magnetic field and our minds are connected we have proof that our thoughts may come from another source other than our own.

 

[Willamena]

The world isn't permanent but supposedly the universe is.
If former knowledge of life is passes down from generation to generation by "genes" that means the answers have always been there.

Nope, the universe is pretty much the world. God, as universal being/observer, is the permanance against which we are compared in order to be labeled "imperfect" or "flawed" in anything we could possibly be or do.

That the answers "are there" or "have always been there" harkens back to the tradition of human perfection against which Christianity was trying to distance itself in the 2nd Century--Greek Stoicism.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I do not mean to come off as aggressive, only assertive.

- I agree with this and I would like to conclude that thought by saying "at least we agree that there is more scientific areas that need explored."

That may very well be, but if you're going to stick your God in that "unexplored" region, then this means that it's unreasonable to make claims about him (e.g. that he exists).

-have you really been searching for proof or disproof of his existence? Proof is what you perceive it.

I disagree about your claim about the nature of "proof".

And how does it matter how much I've searched? Regardless of how much I've looked, I haven't found anything that points to God. If you're going to argue that if we keep on looking, we will find this, then you're just making baseless supposition. Right here and right now, I've seen no indication of the truth of any god-claim, so the proper thing to do is to not accept those claims for the time being. I should be prepared to re-examine this decision (as I should on any issue), but it's a bad idea to make assumptions about what evidence I might encounter until I encounter it.

-Love and fear are the emotions that drive all of our thoughts. Is it or is it not better to live in love than fear?

What does this have to do with what we're talking about?

... and what does God have to do with love? My godless life has lots of love in it and very little fear.

 

[waitasec]

How do you know your own intelligence isn't a form of God speaking to you?

how do you know it is?


my awareness has been working for me...

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I believe God is the conscious energy that gives us the ability to think and live.
The magnetic field is an energy we don't understand and is tied to our emotions. If the magnetic field and our minds are connected we have proof that our thoughts may come from another source other than our own.

Three thoughts:

- that's a very big "if".

- you're using the word "proof" in a way I'm not familiar with.

- while I've seen many definitions for "god", all of them had more to them than just "something that's not 'us'."

 

[Pozessed]

Nope, the universe is pretty much the world. God, as universal being/observer, is the permanance against which we are compared in order to be labeled "imperfect" or "flawed" in anything we could possibly be or do.

That the answers "are there" or "have always been there" harkens back to the tradition of human perfection against which Christianity was trying to distance itself in the 2nd Century--Greek Stoicism.

I dont unsteerstand your point. To me your quoting philosophy without a scientific background, please explain what your saying in a simpler way so I can better understand.

 

[otokage007]

I don't believe in God. Feel free to convince me of the contrary. But first know that I've never seen him, never heard him, never felt him. No one in this world has scientific evidence of his existence. So why would I believe he exists?

And before u answer with some weird hypothesis, let me say that I find the "God did it" theories, extremly absurd and childish.

I believe God is the conscious energy that gives us the ability to think and live.
The magnetic field is an energy we don't understand and is tied to our emotions. If the magnetic field and our minds are connected we have proof that our thoughts may come from another source other than our own.

Some physist should come and teach u a lesson bout magnetism.

 

[Pozessed]

That may very well be, but if you're going to stick your God in that "unexplored" region, then this means that it's unreasonable to make claims about him (e.g. that he exists).

Is it unreasonable to believe that something was created from nothing as the big bang theory states?

I disagree about your claim about the nature of "proof".

And how does it matter how much I've searched? Regardless of how much I've looked, I haven't found anything that points to God. If you're going to argue that if we keep on looking, we will find this, then you're just making baseless supposition. Right here and right now, I've seen no indication of the truth of any god-claim, so the proper thing to do is to not accept those claims for the time being. I should be prepared to re-examine this decision (as I should on any issue), but it's a bad idea to make assumptions about what evidence I might encounter until I encounter it.

Depending on how you perceive it the Fibonacci sequence may or may not be proof of Gods existence... as of now it's just an unstudied phenomena that happens in our universe.
Also youtube "patterns of sound frequency" and you will see that energy has more to do with our existence than we have come to believe and understand.

What does this have to do with what we're talking about?

... and what does God have to do with love? My godless life has lots of love in it and very little fear.

You asked how the belief in God can be be a good thing to accept. I believe my answer was sufficient.
Even though you live without the knowledge of God in your life, if God is energy you really weren't living without him were you?
Positive feelings and emotions seem to scientifically drive away negative energy. There isn't much science studied in that area but it does seem to be fruitful.

 

[Pozessed]

I don't believe in God. Feel free to convince me of the contrary. But first know that I've never seen him, never heard him, never felt him. No one in this world has scientific evidence of his existence. So why would I believe he exists?

And before u answer with some weird hypothesis, let me say that I find the "God did it" theories, extremly absurd and childish.



Some physist should come and teach u a lesson bout magnetism.

I can't help you find answers you closed yourself off to.

I will always resort back to God being a conscious energy. If thoughts are energy my theory may not be wrong.
Just because I use magnetic energy as an example, it doesn't mean its the only source of unexplored energies. Not to mention physicists cant explain the origin of magnetism, only how some of its properties work.
I find it absurd and childish to believe that something was created from nothing.

 

[waitasec]

I can't help you find answers you closed yourself off to.

how do you know he closed himself off to it?

assume much?

 

[YmirGF]

God, as an idea, most certainly exists. That is indisputable.
Whether the alleged reality behind the idea exists or not is untestable.

 

[outhouse]

I am non religious so don't expect quotes from scripture.

I will answer all questions with scientific answers or scientific hypothesis on why a creator exists.

You all seem so closed minded.

Research conscious energy before you doubt what I say. Its is a form of science.

creator is mythology, and at this time has never existed in reality outside mythology.



man has a long history of creating deities, I dont think you have a shred of evidence your different from anyone else who has flalsely given attibutes and or tried to define a deity by nothing more then guesses or perception

 

[waitasec]

God, as an idea, most certainly exists. That is indisputable.
Whether the alleged reality behind the idea exists or not is untestable.

this!!!
:clap

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Is it unreasonable to believe that something was created from nothing as the big bang theory states?

A question like that suggests to me that you don't know what the Big Bang theory actually states.

Depending on how you perceive it the Fibonacci sequence may or may not be proof of Gods existence... as of now it's just an unstudied phenomena that happens in our universe.
Also youtube "patterns of sound frequency" and you will see that energy has more to do with our existence than we have come to believe and understand.

No. I don't think you know what a proof is.

A proof is a logical argument drawn from sound premises using sound logic to reach a conclusion. Even if you think (for reasons that escape me) that the Fibonacci sequence might one day form the basis for a proof of God, it would never be a "proof" in and of itself.

You asked how the belief in God can be be a good thing to accept. I believe my answer was sufficient.
Even though you live without the knowledge of God in your life, if God is energy you really weren't living without him were you?
Positive feelings and emotions seem to scientifically drive away negative energy. There isn't much science studied in that area but it does seem to be fruitful.

I think we might be talking past each other here. When I said "good", I didn't mean "morally good"; I meant something more like "reasonable" or "logically sound".

 

[Willamena]

I dont unsteerstand your point. To me your quoting philosophy without a scientific background, please explain what your saying in a simpler way so I can better understand.

My point is that the idea that mankind is "flawed" and that his flaws "become reality" because science dares to say it "knows" the universe is a uniquely Christian attitude. The scientist doesn't see it that way.

 

[Pozessed]

how do you know he closed himself off to it?

assume much?

I don't believe in god

How is that an assumption?

 

[Pozessed]

creator is mythology, and at this time has never existed in reality outside mythology.



man has a long history of creating deities, I dont think you have a shred of evidence your different from anyone else who has flalsely given attibutes and or tried to define a deity by nothing more then guesses or perception

Actually if you read what I have been writing it's quite the contrary.

 

[Pozessed]

God, as an idea, most certainly exists. That is indisputable.
Whether the alleged reality behind the idea exists or not is untestable.

Spirituality is not untested it's just classified as taboo.