Tell me why God doesn't exist, and I'll tell you why your'e wrong.

[Pozessed]

so is atheism...

atheism is a form of evolutionary belief system which involves no creator.

Without the influence of a new belief where is science and non-belief leading humanity?

 

[otokage007]

If someone believes something doesn't exist why would they search for it?

There were plenty of people that believed the Earth was flat yet they admited it was rounded when presented by evidence (except for the inquisiters and the highly religious people of course. As skeptical as ever! )

There were plenty of people that believed that America didn't exist, yet Colon proved them wrong and they admited another continent existed.

atheism is a form of evolutionary belief system which involves no creator.

Without the influence of a new belief where is science and non-belief leading humanity?

To a highly developed society that trusts mankind rather than God?

 

[Pozessed]

"helped"...

Not so sure of it!

I believe without religion civilizations would be ran strictly by government. I don't know what you believe but I don't think that would have been a good society to live in with the corruption we have in our governments now.

 

[Iti oj]

I believe without religion civilizations would be ran strictly by government. I don't know what you believe but I don't think that would have been a good society to live in with the corruption we have in our governments now.

hahah the onlything more corrupt then govement is the churches. so ahahahahahahjahahhahahah also waiting on two replies

sorry i laughed so don't take it personally i just really did laugh.

 

[crocusj]

Creator- The higher intellect that created all life in our universe using the power of his will and knowledge.

I can't disagree with your post, I disagree with religion as well, but I do believe it helped structure humanity to what it is today and had a role in our intellectual evolution.

How can you posit an intellect here, indeed, since you say he has will and knowledge, a being. And, since you can describe his attributes you can presumably describe how you know that this being is the only possible solution to "life, the universe and everything" or that there is "life the universe and everything" or that we need to ask the question in the first place other than appeasing an intelligent apes curiosity, justified or otherwise. In effect: how did he do it? why did he do it? And how do you know all this?

 

[Pozessed]

so you wont define what god is or did? then how can i argue against the concept? maybe god did nothing and let creation happen then?

I have said God is a cosmic energy that influences all life. Without his conscious energy the microbes that come to life through chemical reaction could not exist.
Evolution is a program that God started when he let the big bang happen. If the universe didn't evolve life wouldn't have evolved.
Nothing is coincidence unless that is how you want to perceive it.

 

[Pozessed]

Remind me: what kind of state was the world in when most people still believed in God?

You mean most people believed in religion? God and religion are not the same. Why do you need a book if you can know God personally?

 

[Iti oj]

I have said God is a cosmic energy that influences all life. Without his conscious energy the microbes that come to life through chemical reaction could not exist.
Evolution is a program that God started when he let the big bang happen. If the universe didn't evolve life wouldn't have evolved.
Nothing is coincidence unless that is how you want to perceive it.

so he set the rules and clicked start. is he still active now?

And why do we need god? The laws are more then enough/

also did god make the universe for us?

 

[otokage007]

I believe without religion civilizations would be ran strictly by government. I don't know what you believe but I don't think that would have been a good society to live in with the corruption we have in our governments now.

Civilizations have always been ran by the government. Religion have always been a tool of government to rule its people. People have always believed what the government wanted them to believe. And even today, that's sadly the case in many places.

hahah the onlything more corrupt then govement is the churches. so ahahahahahahjahahhahahah also waiting on two replies

Indeed

 

[Quagmire]

You said:

How do you want me to respond to this? Are you expecting me to get mad and rant?

We have been told for years God doesn't exist so much so the world is in turmoil,

I asked:

Remind me: what kind of state was the world in when most people still believed in God?

So this isn't an answer:

You mean most people believed in religion? God and religion are not the same. Why do you need a book if you can know God personally?

OK, let me rephrase the question: since you claim that the reason the world is in turmoil these days is because "We have been told for years God doesn't exist", how do you account for the fact that the world has always been in turmoil, even when almost everybody was saying that He did exist?

 

[Pozessed]

Getting off your high horse would be a good start.

Im sorry, it seems you confused my confidence for arrogance. I do not wish to be better than anyone, but I do wish to pass on what I have come to know and be able to say it proudly.

Who's we?

Atheism has nothing to do with the world being in turmoil.

At least in America we don't even have God in schools anymore because of scientific beliefs.
I don't think the world would be in so much turmoil if we all treated each other as we ourselves want to be treated.
Believing in nothing drives us to self-righteousness, or to be self absorbed at the least. Which does nothing to help our fellow man.

Finally, what offended me was your condescending attitude, capped off with calling the entire forum closed minded.

I am sorry I came across that way. I only meant to answer every ones questions in the detail I'd like my questions answered. If that seems condescending I apologize.

You're right, I do project expectations of civility on everyone. Surely you have the intellectual capacity to make your opinions known without belittling everyone else?

Good, I would expect nothing less from a mod than to lead by example and again I apologize if my answers seem to be offensive, I mean to do no such thing with my words.

 

[Pozessed]

Curiosity? open mindedness? to understand others?

Out of 100 people how many people do you believe have that quality?

 

[Iti oj]

out of 100 people how many people do you believe have that quality?

40-60%

 

[Pozessed]

There were plenty of people that believed the Earth was flat yet they admited it was rounded when presented by evidence (except for the inquisiters and the highly religious people of course. As skeptical as ever! )

There were plenty of people that believed that America didn't exist, yet Colon proved them wrong and they admited another continent existed.

I don't understand why that matters? I have given examples of science to research and to make your own conclusion. I have also stated how the big bang seems to be more of a reaction due to unknown reasons that would be classified as an action.
I have also shown you the possible evidence of a constant pattern that could signify we were created by intelligence.
If what I have said doesn't intrigue you to research and find answers for your self then I can not help with what you are looking for as proof.

To a highly developed society that trusts mankind rather than God?

I disagree, I think we will blow each other up before we find unity. With no God the only thing I see making our planet unify is an alien invasion.

 

[Storm]

Im sorry, it seems you confused my confidence for arrogance. I do not wish to be better than anyone, but I do wish to pass on what I have come to know and be able to say it proudly.

I'm not the one who has those two confused. Pride and hubris are vastly different things.

At least in America we don't even have God in schools anymore because of scientific beliefs.

I'm an American, a devout believer, a fiercely protective mother, and all of the above informs my support of keeping God out of schools. You have no right to indoctrinate my child. Schools are for education, not prayer.

I don't think the world would be in so much turmoil if we all treated each other as we ourselves want to be treated.

Indeed not, so be the change you wish to see. Treat others with a bit of respect.

Believing in nothing drives us to self-righteousness, or to be self absorbed at the least. Which does nothing to help our fellow man.

No, it really doesn't. Believing we know better than everyone else, however, does.

I am sorry I came across that way. I only meant to answer every ones questions in the detail I'd like my questions answered. If that seems condescending I apologize.

Oh, really? Then why was your op dripping with it?

Good, I would expect nothing less from a mod than to lead by example and again I apologize if my answers seem to be offensive, I mean to do no such thing with my words.]

I didn't even get to your answers. This is about your opening.

Out of 100 people how many people do you believe have that quality?

More than you'd think, but you obviously don't see the need.

 

[Pozessed]

How can you posit an intellect here, indeed, since you say he has will and knowledge, a being. And, since you can describe his attributes you can presumably describe how you know that this being is the only possible solution to "life, the universe and everything" or that there is "life the universe and everything" or that we need to ask the question in the first place other than appeasing an intelligent apes curiosity, justified or otherwise. In effect: how did he do it? why did he do it? And how do you know all this?

If thought is a form of energy God as a "conscious energy" is not unfathomable for me. Think of God as a giant ball of collective thought that can always be tapped into.
Now if that ball were to cover the universe and the universe is supposedly infinite, wouldn't that be infinite knowledge?
I have given some research to my beliefs and they do have a scientific basis, but I cant explain everything and expect you to find your own belief.

 

[otokage007]

I can not help with what you are looking for as proof.

At least that's true!

 

[Pozessed]

so he set the rules and clicked start. is he still active now?

And why do we need god? The laws are more then enough/

also did god make the universe for us?

I believe he is active now, I believe he is an energy source that is used to form all creation.

Again this is philosophy, I don't want to answer that here.

If what I believe to be true is so, God created the universe only to learn. God is a conscious energy that expands as it learns. Therefore us being here in this form is just a way for him to gain physical knowledge.
I don't know the consequences between the good and bad of our lives. Not to mention this is just a theory.

 

[Pozessed]

Civilizations have always been ran by the government. Religion have always been a tool of government to rule its people. People have always believed what the government wanted them to believe. And even today, that's sadly the case in many places.



Indeed

I will post on this tomorrow, I have to work and need to research a bit so I don't stick my foot in my mouth.

 

[Pozessed]

OK, let me rephrase the question: since you claim that the reason the world is in turmoil these days is because "We have been told for years God doesn't exist", how do you account for the fact that the world has always been in turmoil, even when almost everybody was saying that He did exist?

When has everyone found and followed their own path to God without judging others for their beliefs?