Tell me why God doesn't exist, and I'll tell you why your'e wrong.

[otokage007]

I'm an American, a devout believer, a fiercely protective mother, and all of the above informs my support of keeping God out of schools. You have no right to indoctrinate my child. Schools are for education, not prayer.

Prayer is not education? Do you not believe the knowledge of God is more enlightening than any book man could ever write?

other than saying "a lot" of this community "seems" closed minded, I see no harm.
also note I didn't refer to everyone and my comment has always been stated as an opinion.

Unfortunately I am surrounded by more non-believers than believers. So that is where my statistics derive from.
I don't see the need to try to open the eyes of people who have a strong belief in God. They already have the answers they need.

hey it wasn't me who said those things! It was Storm! hahaha

My use of God and education was an example of how God is being taken out of our society.
As a believer you think no connection to God is better than a false connection to God?

God, the Bible or religion, teach nothing to children. So it must be kept out of the school.

you concept of god does not exist because i am god. ergo you are wrong. and i can prove i exist by typing this,

I knew it!!

 

[Heathen Hammer]

I don't think the world would be in so much turmoil if we all treated each other as we ourselves want to be treated.
Believing in nothing drives us to self-righteousness, or to be self absorbed at the least. Which does nothing to help our fellow man.

History proves Man does far more evil when he believes he has the backing of God than when he thinks he acts alone and can be judged wrong.

I believe someone more famous than me said something of that nature before.

 

[Pozessed]

Prayer has nothing to do with knowledge. God is beyond human thought, and I bet you'd see it my way if students were mandated to read the Satanic Bible.

I don't believe in religion so this is irrelevant to me. My point is I see no harm in schools taking at least 10 minutes a day to pray to whichever God the student chooses to worship.
I don't mean religion class or anything of the sort....
God is only beyond human thought if your limited by religious beliefs, because religion tells you its not possible.

Your exact words were "you all." Would you like me to quote? There's also the issue of hypocrisy.

Ok your right, I will change that. I was tired when I started this post and I usually watch my words more carefully.

Further, the point of this site is to promote the free exchange of ideas. That means you listen to people and think about what they say, not declare them wrong before they get a word out. Your very title is a slap in the face.

That's a biased opinion. Teachers use methods like I did to gain peoples attention. The fact that I used the words "tell me so I can tell you" is the start of a debate, nothing more nothing less unless the person reading it perceives it as something else.
Are you uncomfortable talking about your faith to nonbelievers? maybe that's why my title offended you?

I think your "statistics" have a hell of a lot more to do with your personal stereotypes than any actual experience, to say nothing of controlled studies.[/quote]

I didn't say my statistics applied to anyone, you took me asking somebody else their statistics out of context... Do you do that often?

 

[Pozessed]

Seek bugger all. This is a forum. I'm not here to prove you wrong nor have I judged you or any theory. I have asked you questions which you seem reluctant to answer. Fair enough, I suppose.

So instead of doing your own research on things you want somebody to give you all the answers?
I haven't been reluctant to answer anything, I just am not giving people the answers that want to hear at this time. Just because you don't want to research what I say, does not mean the answer your looking for wouldn't be in your own findings.
There is a reason that I have been coming to the conclusions I have been coming to and they are of rational thought. Just because I have ideas don't mean my ideas are correct though and therefore I'd rather lead you to what I have found and ask you to make your own conclusion.'
So it's not that I haven't answered your question I just didn't give the answer you'd like.

 

[Pozessed]

you concept of god does not exist because i am god. ergo you are wrong. and i can prove i exist by typing this,

If God is energy and we are all made up of that energy are you wrong?

 

[Storm]

I don't believe in religion so this is irrelevant to me.

Yeeeeah.... nobody's buying that.

My point is I see no harm in schools taking at least 10 minutes a day to pray to whichever God the student chooses to worship.

Students are allowed to pray if they want to, no need to interrupt class or ostracize non-believers.

I don't mean religion class or anything of the sort....
God is only beyond human thought if your limited by religious beliefs, because religion tells you its not possible.

No, God is beyond human thought because we're limited by a little thing called humanity. You know, fear of mortality, puny brains, hormonal mischief....

Read up on quantum mechanics for a glimpse into the complexity of God's mind.

That's a biased opinion.

No more than any other opinion, and pretty well founded in a working knowledge of language and social conventions.

Teachers use methods like I did to gain peoples attention.

There it is again. You presume we have need of your 'teaching.'

The fact that I used the words "tell me so I can tell you" is the start of a debate,

"Give me an opening to prove you wrong" does not encourage discussion, but one upmanship.

Are you uncomfortable talking about your faith to nonbelievers? maybe that's why my title offended you?

Nope. In fact I delight in a good challenge.

I didn't say my statistics applied to anyone, you took me asking somebody else their statistics out of context... Do you do that often?

Gee, statistics that don't apply to anyone? Seems I've heard a few choice phrases for that.

 

[Pozessed]

"NASA" isn't a person. "NASA" doesn't speak.

The Big Bang theory says that the universe has expanded from a singularity... a point, basically. It doesn't say anything that happened before this. It doesn't say anything about anything before Planck Time after the Big Bang. Between the Big Bang and Planck Time, the laws of physics as we know them break down.

It says nothing about what happened before the Big Bang, or even if time existed for there to be a "before", or for terms like "from" (as in "from nothing") to be meaningful.

The one and only event in history that has a reaction without an action? Why is it easier for you to accept that the universe came from nothing instead of having a creation? Don't take that the wrong way, I really want to know why you personally deny a creator.

I can't figure out what you're trying to ask by that question.

True or false we can find the origin of most physical matter?

You think the Fibonacci sequence is found in "almost everything"?

Common effects suggest (though don't guarantee) common causes, but this doesn't necessarily imply that the cause is intelligent.

have you not looked into it?

There is more reason to believe that it was created by intelligence than by nature. Evolution and the big bang theorize randomness is the birth of life in our universe yet natural consistencies are far more common than most believe to be true.
Even though I may be wrong to believe it's truly Gods signature, does that take away from the realization that it's there?

It has nothing to do with the point I was making.

Oh, I'm sorry. What was your point then?

 

[Pozessed]

God, the Bible or religion, teach nothing to children. So it must be kept out of the school.

Edward Leedskalnin had a 4th grade education and mastered something that is still beyond our knowledge today and he thanks God for all his work in his writings. He created the coral castle in the 40s.

The ancients have created all kinds of mystifying architectures that we cant explain, and they had a firm belief in their Gods.

There is more to belief in God than what religion can offer, we just fail to realize it.

 

[BBTimeless]

Pozessed, how would you define religion?

 

[Pozessed]

History proves Man does far more evil when he believes he has the backing of God than when he thinks he acts alone and can be judged wrong.

I believe someone more famous than me said something of that nature before.

When was there a time that man had no indifference to whom they were worshiping?

 

[Pozessed]

Pozessed, how would you define religion?

A cluster of philosophies that lead up to belief.

 

[Breathe]

A cluster of philosophies that lead up to belief.

So you don't have a cluster of philosophies?

 

[Pozessed]

So you don't have a cluster of philosophies?

I have theories that may have actual scientific proof. If my theories prove wrong I have lost nothing because I don't believe in anything more than what science can prove.
I also don't disbelieve something just because science cant explain it.
The scientific proof I find may not be the proof others are looking for though, and I don't want to explain anything beyond what science offers because then what I believe would become a form of religion.

 

[Breathe]

I have theories that may have actual scientific proof. If my theories prove wrong I have lost nothing because I don't believe in anything more than what science can prove.
I also don't disbelieve something just because science cant explain it.

What makes you think that this isn't something others do who have religion, though?

I must admit I find your definition of religion a little strange.

 

[BBTimeless]

A cluster of philosophies that lead up to belief.

By your definition, what is a philosophy?

 

[Pozessed]

What makes you think that this isn't something others do who have religion, though?

I must admit I find your definition of religion a little strange.

It very well may be, but I do not want to belong to a religious sector because religion to me has proven more harmful than good.

I want to keep my personal beliefs out of this so I pm'd you the rest

 

[BBTimeless]

It very well may be, but I do not want to belong to a religious sector because religion to me has proven more harmful than good.

I want to keep my personal beliefs out of this so I pm'd you the rest

Ok, wait a minute. You want people to come out and tell you their beliefs so you can tell them if they are "right" or "wrong" but you are scared to post yours?

 

[Breathe]

It very well may be, but I do not want to belong to a religious sector because religion to me has proven more harmful than good.

To me, religion is the shared culture, history, tradition, folklore and myth of that group, as well as the shared language. This is preserved either through a Religious Book (such as the Bible, Qur'an, or Tanakh), or changes with the times (such as the Oral Torah, or oral stories and traditions).

So religion is the exoteric form, what people can see. Your dress, your clothes, the way you pray, the name you use to pray to God, etc.

Whereas your philosophy is what you believe in.

So I suppose I can say I think some people can be culturally Christian but Hindu at the same time. I'm weird, I know.

Of course, that's my own view.

 

[Pozessed]

Ok, wait a minute. You want people to come out and tell you their beliefs so you can tell them if they are "right" or "wrong" but you are scared to post yours?

I am far from scared, I just don't want my post to go off topic, soatfar people have been claiming that I'm pushing a religion. That is not my purpose, you could classify my belief as a religion because I cant prove what I believe, but my belief is my own and I am trying to keep this post scientific but keep getting drawn towards personal beliefs instead of science.
I want logical explanations on why a God cant exist and so far all I have is peoples beliefs.

I have at least shown a scientific constant pattern that started with the evolution of time.
A logical and rational reason on why it's more conceivable to believe in a creator.
I have also given a possible hypothesis about how God may exist as a conscious energy.

After giving this information all I have done is ask people to research it.

 

[BBTimeless]

I am far from scared, I just don't want my post to go off topic, soatfar people have been claiming that I'm pushing a religion. That is not my purpose, you could classify my belief as a religion because I cant prove what I believe, but my belief is my own and I am trying to keep this post scientific but keep getting drawn towards personal beliefs instead of science.
I want logical explanations on why a God cant exist and so far all I have is peoples beliefs.

I have at least shown a scientific constant pattern that started with the evolution of time.
A logical and rational reason on why it's more conceivable to believe in a creator.
I have also given a possible hypothesis about how God may exist as a conscious energy.

After giving this information all I have done is ask people to research it.

You do realize the burden of proof falls on you, right? The question shouldn't be "Can you prove to me God doesn't exist", instead it should be "Can you prove to me that God does exist."